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No, you're not. You're posting baseless negative comments. There is plenty of evidence in the tech support forum that reports are being taken seriously and followed up, including posts by devs (or at least by people with their ear.)AjaxDude wrote:Hey, I'm just agreeing with some people, you know.
I'm still trying to figure out why people keep bringing up the platform. In my experience with Egosoft, the engines have been pretty solid. I've never had lots of CTDs or any Exceptions, though I have seen a few quirks related to objects like the repair laser behavior I previously mentioned.weezl wrote:Releasing PC products for use on current generation graphics hardware is like dancing with the devil. You work with incomplete specs on buggy hardware with buggy drivers and then customers yell at you for sucking at your job. Those that think they can do better are invited to try it. I for one have respect for the folks at Egosoft who are willing to commit time to producing fixes for this wonderful product. I feel sorry for every bug they have, but its a real world, not some fantasy.. if you write code, you make bugs. There are ways to reduce those bugs, but not once have I heard of anyone completely eradicating those little beasties from their codebase.
That my friend, is true.McCade wrote: Check the reviews, egosoft is a joke when it comes to release quality
The genre is dying because the few people that are making games in it continue to increase the complexity. I read a statement somewhere that noted that Elite was a simple game and that it's success was tied to this. I partially agree with that. However, Elite was also involving once you got past the basics, and those two things combined are make for a very successful game. The most recent example of this is World of Warcraft; people can learn to play WoW in a few minutes, but it can take months to fully understand everything that's going on in it. Compare that to the learning curve of X3 and it's easy to see why most people just aren't interested.McCade wrote:This is a very small market with few developers (sadly), in a dying genre. Releasing games in this state does not help.
I paid about £40 for GTA-IV and I’ve already had more time playing X3-TC even with its bugs, I think I’ve always had value for money from X-games.McCade wrote:IMHO full price for this game was borderline unethical. It's one of the poorest performing titles I've tried to play. With games like Fallout 3 and Farcry 2 hitting the upper limits of performance/graphics (have you seen how fast games load in FO3?), there is no reason for this.
- consoles offer fixed technology, it's easier for designers to work within known parametersDungeoncrawler wrote:I'm sure someone has already noted that if you have issues with 'bugs' in PC games you should really give up gaming, wait before purchasing, or stick with the consoles. PC gaming has really turned into an enthusiast platform, imo. Almost everything released these days is in immediately need of a patch. Not saying its an excuse, but just part of the current pc port-folio. One thing Egosoft has proven to me. They may not operate as fast as we would like sometimes, but they keep at it and they do seem to listen to the community. Be patient and I'm sure we'll see another patch soon. Just my humble opinion.
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While most games when release do have bugs. Most games get patched up fairly quickly. While ES take a year to fix them. There is no way ill be playing this game in a years time. I'm having trouble finding things to do now and its only been a few weeks. For those who say ES always fix their games. I'm still waiting for Xbeyond to not ctd on the final mission.Dungeoncrawler wrote:I'm sure someone has already noted that if you have issues with 'bugs' in PC games you should really give up gaming, wait before purchasing, or stick with the consoles. PC gaming has really turned into an enthusiast platform, imo. Almost everything released these days is in immediately need of a patch. Not saying its an excuse, but just part of the current pc port-folio. One thing Egosoft has proven to me. They may not operate as fast as we would like sometimes, but they keep at it and they do seem to listen to the community. Be patient and I'm sure we'll see another patch soon. Just my humble opinion.
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X is one of the few games where I will indeed still be playing it in a year's time. I've gotten more bang for my buck with the X series than any other title. Ever since I got XBTF, there has been at least one if not two different X titles installed on my system and played regularly.lLongshanks wrote:There is no way ill be playing this game in a years time.
This one I'd have to say isn't a bug - I've certainly not heard of people CTDing on the M0 mission, or on the trip back to Argon Prime. Chances are you're running XP or Vista, and XBTF wasn't made for those operating systems.For those who say ES always fix their games. I'm still waiting for Xbeyond to not ctd on the final mission.
If a game fails to function you have a right to take it back, no matter what the shop say (If you live in the UK). Sale of Goods Act. You would of course be required to show it's the game, and not a hardware conflict with your system, for example.the laws that wont let you take a buggy game back for a refund.
I can't agree. I've really not encountered many bugs (though in fairness, I've not touched any plot. Plot's not my style), and certainly only one I'd consider critical (the performance stutter). And believe me, if I thought the game was at fault I wouldn't let my moderator status get in the way of saying so! (And those who say it's "the buggiest yet" never encountered the "random CTDs" in 1.0 of X³:R).The game was released too early with no testing.
The same can be said for games with Multi player options. There is still plenty of people playing starcraft and that's 12 years old. Different people have different tolerance for games. I find the game too easy and lacking of any real challenge. This has been by far the easiest game to make money in.esd wrote:X is one of the few games where I will indeed still be playing it in a year's time. I've gotten more bang for my buck with the X series than any other title. Ever since I got XBTF, there has been at least one if not two different X titles installed on my system and played regularly.lLongshanks wrote:There is no way ill be playing this game in a years time.
So the game running fine right up to the point when i kill the M0 must be a problem with my machine? Just FYI i own 19 PCs and laptops 2 of them have 98 installed for when i want to play old games like Xcom.This one I'd have to say isn't a bug - I've certainly not heard of people CTDing on the M0 mission, or on the trip back to Argon Prime. Chances are you're running XP or Vista, and XBTF wasn't made for those operating systems.For those who say ES always fix their games. I'm still waiting for Xbeyond to not ctd on the final mission.
Exactly, That's how they can get away with it. If you take the game back to the store and it loads up they will send you home. No other company can get away with that.If a game fails to function you have a right to take it back, no matter what the shop say (If you live in the UK). Sale of Goods Act. You would of course be required to show it's the game, and not a hardware conflict with your system, for example.the laws that wont let you take a buggy game back for a refund.
SO the terrible performance and stuttering has nothing to do with the game? I say Terrible performance because if the game is going to give me a mission with 200 enemy ships and i require almost the same. i expect it to still run at at least 40fps.I can't agree. I've really not encountered many bugs (though in fairness, I've not touched any plot. Plot's not my style), and certainly only one I'd consider critical (the performance stutter). And believe me, if I thought the game was at fault I wouldn't let my moderator status get in the way of saying so! (And those who say it's "the buggiest yet" never encountered the "random CTDs" in 1.0 of X³:R).The game was released too early with no testing.
not sure what makes you think it takes a year to get patched up.lLongshanks wrote: While most games when release do have bugs. Most games get patched up fairly quickly. While ES take a year to fix them. There is no way ill be playing this game in a years time.
Except there you're not just playing the game, you're playing other people too. That's a totally different story!lLongshanks wrote:The same can be said for games with Multi player options. There is still plenty of people playing starcraft and that's 12 years old.
Easiest, or just easy in the way you play it? One of my starts in X², for example, was a "no factories, no UTs" start. Give it a go... it's fun. The point of this game is you don't have to do it in any particular way - it's a sandbox. You don't have to make sandcastles if you don't want to.I find the game too easy and lacking of any real challenge. This has been by far the easiest game to make money in.
In my current game i have around 1200 factories, 980 ships over 20 billion credits. Iv wiped out most of the Terran's and I'm getting ready to take out Taurus what else is there to do? I was thinking of a restart but the though or arming ans setting up my ships 1 at a time just filled me with dread. The game lacks any depth or challenge and so limits the re playability for me.
As I said, I've not heard this one before nor did it occur on any of my machines. It's possible it's a hardware conflict, it's possible that you've found a rare bug.So the game running fine right up to the point when i kill the M0 must be a problem with my machine? Just FYI i own 19 PCs and laptops 2 of them have 98 installed for when i want to play old games like Xcom.
Nope - if you can show it's not functioning and other people with different setups are having the same problem, you have a case.Exactly, That's how they can get away with it. If you take the game back to the store and it loads up they will send you home. No other company can get away with that.
That's not what I was saying. I was saying if the game was faulty I wouldn't be quiet about it just because I'm a moderator.SO the terrible performance and stuttering has nothing to do with the game?
