Trump Presidency

[felter]

The consequences. So Ghislaine Maxwel has an appeal coming up with the so-called American supreme court, there are rumours doing the rounds that her defence is going to be that her prosecution was mainly based on the Epstein file and list well now the American DOJ, FBI and their attorney General have said those files and lists do not exist and that the American President has said those files and list are fake, they were fraudulently made up by the Democrats and if that is so then she is innocent and will demand she get released and have a retrial.

This is why you don't vote for fraudulent criminals and convicted rapists as your president, anyone who voted for Trump is now complicit in the covering up of the act of paedophilia, happy days and well done.

OH, yeah, and it is looking like so-called Prince Andrew's travel ban to America will also be lifted as it is all fake. I wonder how long it will be until Epstein will be deemed as being innocent.

[matthewfarmery]

Or Ghislaine Maxwel could have an accident, and never sees trial? But if they do see a trial, Then it will open a real can of worms, that is for sure.

[felter]

Problem is Ghislaine Maxwell has all the evidence she has the file, and she has the list, and if I was her I would make sure that if something like an accident happens to me that file and list would be released to the public.

Here's a random thought, I wonder if any of those Supreme court justices are on the list.

[clakclak]

What stops Mexwell from making stuff up in order to get a pardon from Trump in return?

[felter]

Interesting thing is Trump wanted to pardon her during his first term as President, but was talked out of it. But you are right what is now stopping her from doing so and that is just another consequence of his actions.

[matthewfarmery]

As things can't get any worse, Republicans rules committee just votes to keep Epstein files hidden. So they had a chance to get these files released, and 50 of 51 said no.

Republicans pull SHOCK LATE-NIGHT MOVE in Epstein files vote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IqXvpo7HJA

So they are clearly part of the cover up. So we won't see the list or files, in this administration.

Very disgusting.

[clakclak]

As things can't get any worse, Republicans rules committee just votes to keep Epstein files hidden. So they had a chance to get these files released, and 50 of 51 said no.

Republicans pull SHOCK LATE-NIGHT MOVE in Epstein files vote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IqXvpo7HJA

So they are clearly part of the cover up. So we won't see the list or files, in this administration.

Very disgusting.

It is what I expected, but it is still good to have confirmation that they are indeed scared of what is in these files.

I am confused how you got to the 50 number though. Wasn’t it just 7 Republicans in the House Rules Committee that blocked this plan from going forward?

Source for the number 7: https://youtu.be/CgzPml6oMBQ?feature=shared

[matthewfarmery]

Sorry, I was half asleep when I saw the video, and misheard what was said. But you are correct. But still, they are shitting their pants over this. And those people are an accessary after the fact, and helping with the coverup.

[Vertigo 7]

Are you really surprised? Look at all the gymnastics they did to protect Matt Gaetz. Do you really think there's any limit to what they'll do to protect the Furer?

This is your so-called party of "law and order". Crimes can only be committed by non-whites and democrats. They never do anything wrong.

[clakclak]

Are you really surprised? Look at all the gymnastics they did to protect Matt Gaetz. Do you really think there's any limit to what they'll do to protect the Furer?

This is your so-called party of "law and order". Crimes can only be committed by non-whites and democrats. They never do anything wrong.

Nah I don‘t think anyone was surprised by that. What surprised me was the one Republican that voted against party line and in favor of going forward with the vote on a potential release.

[Chips]

Her defence is going to be that her prosecution was mainly based on the Epstein file and list well now the American DOJ, FBI and their attorney General have said those files and lists do not exist and that the American President has said those files and list are fake, they were fraudulently made up by the Democrats and if that is so then she is innocent and will demand she get released and have a retrial.

But that's just demonstrably not true and so well documented that she'd get no-where. There were 5 accusers of the crimes for which she was convicted and sentenced to 20 years for...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68515516
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ng-epstein

Throughout the course of Maxwell's 2022 trial, four women testified that they had been abused as minors at Epstein's homes in Florida, New York, New Mexico and the Virgin Islands.

They recounted how Maxwell had talked them into giving Epstein massages which turned sexual, luring them with gifts and promises about how Epstein could use his money and connections to help them.

Can't imagine there's even anyone at the top (who it appears can just pardon people for anything he wants) willing to go against public opinion and successful prosecutions for her? I mean, she's a nobody without any support or anything to give.

At least his January uprisers could claim to be part of his political movement, and he'd not want to alienate the voters base. But for Maxwell?

[Skism]

Her defence is going to be that her prosecution was mainly based on the Epstein file and list well now the American DOJ, FBI and their attorney General have said those files and lists do not exist and that the American President has said those files and list are fake, they were fraudulently made up by the Democrats and if that is so then she is innocent and will demand she get released and have a retrial.

But that's just demonstrably not true and so well documented that she'd get no-where. There were 5 accusers of the crimes for which she was convicted and sentenced to 20 years for...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68515516
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ng-epstein

Throughout the course of Maxwell's 2022 trial, four women testified that they had been abused as minors at Epstein's homes in Florida, New York, New Mexico and the Virgin Islands.

They recounted how Maxwell had talked them into giving Epstein massages which turned sexual, luring them with gifts and promises about how Epstein could use his money and connections to help them.

Can't imagine there's even anyone at the top (who it appears can just pardon people for anything he wants) willing to go against public opinion and successful prosecutions for her? I mean, she's a nobody without any support or anything to give.

At least his January uprisers could claim to be part of his political movement, and he'd not want to alienate the voters base. But for Maxwell?

I think you underestimate how depraved Trump is - also Maxwell has connections - she was/is part of a honeytrap operation /blackmail she had serious connections and yes there is no (moral) reason for him to pardon her, espically given she is a trafficker.

Trump has proved just how beholden he is to the Israeli lobby these days - I hope he does not but I would not put it totally past him to do so.

[Chips]

I, literally, don't get what you're saying - or if I do but with an incorrect interpretation, I just assume it's bonkers

We can wait and see; speculation as to what may happen is pointless given it is based on a lot of conjecture and (apparently) conspiracy.

If it happens I'll be very very surprised, so I'll wait. I realise some of what's happening is, to most, bonkers anyway so it's not out of the realm of plausibility.

But there's just too many people required to keep "schtum" for this sort of stuff to come off - and the one thing Trump does is alienate everyone close to him over time.
(btw I don't underestimate how depraved Trump is... I underestimate the tolerance of not just the US public, but also mainly the "republicans". As always said, i can't believe partisan politics is letting him get away with this insanity since before getting back into office )

[clakclak]

The vote went through:

211 Republicans voted against an amendment to an existing bill that would force the release the Epstein files.

210 Democrats voted in favor of an amendment to an existing bill that would force the release of the Epstein files.

If they claim this being an amendment to an existing bill is the holdup, the Republicans can always make it a standalone bill. This was chosen because it was the fastest way, but if Republicans want to go the ‚proper‘ way, than they can.

[matthewfarmery]

So Trump is now saying, release anything credible regarding Epstein, (but didn't he also say it was a made up lie done by others? ) So anything credible, anything without my name in it. Also regarding the released video, it has nearly 3 minutes cut from it.

Also

Speaker Mike Johnson says he supports Ghislaine Maxwell testifying to Congress and demands the DOJ release everything they have on Epstein:

"I’m for transparency. We should put everything out there and let the people decide. Pam Bondi needs to come forward and explain it to the American people. Let's get this thing resolved."

Even though the GOP has blocked another attempt to have the files released, so I guess Mike didn't get the memo then?

But one thing for sure, the more Trump and co squirm, the more its looking like a flatout coverup.

[Vertigo 7]

let the people decide

And just how are they planning on doing that? What happened to juries and trials? We're not going to do that anymore? Mob rule, thats the order of the day?

[matthewfarmery]

The stress must be killing him,

Trump Says Epstein Controversy Is ‘bull’


President Donald Trump is accusing some of his onetime supporters of being “weaklings” who are falling prey to Democratic “bull” about the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein — concluding that he no longer wants their support, CNN reports.

So, he just can't seem to understand, that he can't just sweep this under a rug, especailly when he campaigned to get the files released and so on. But now, he really up to his neck in this, and wish it would blow over.

And the more he has a meltdown, the more likely he is connected to all this. Then again, He might regret saying this, But Trump only cares about Trump. Sure am glad he having a hard time. Now the dems and the media needs to keep the pressure up.

[jlehtone]

Even though the GOP has blocked another attempt to have the files released, so I guess Mike didn't get the memo then?

It is relatively safe to say "we should" when you know that doing so is not possible. Does saying that reduce GOP support for Mike?
Could it make Mike look less despicable to the non-GOP?

[burger1]

Trump lets nvidia sell previously restricted chips to China. He's also making military tech available through indirect sales to Russian allies. As usual empty sanction threats on Russia. Also doing a dance with weapon shipments and shorting/screwing over Ukraine. Either through mis naming stuff (a single missile isn't a system) or giving them like 30 missiles then rerouting them to Israel then changing back to Ukraine with 11 missiles and having the news not accurately reporting it.

https://apnews.com/article/nvidia-china ... a9ed95cf0a

Alligator Alcatraz will basically operate as a black site. So no trials, no usual processing, etc... just through private intake. Approx 700 inmates mostly without criminal records/charges.

Trump paving over whitehouse rose garden

https://apnews.com/article/trump-white- ... 9f3678978e

Trump refuses to give back Fifa world cup trophy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/202 ... 206902007/

Trump changes US health data

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 515171.cms

Trumps already claimed epstein information would directly harm the Republican party. All the data is still there in one form or another and so are the investigators, etc...

Elon Musks AI company gets a government contract. American party proposed by musk meant to draw votes away from Democrats like the RFK party? He left near the end of the 90 day federal special agent deadline.

https://fortune.com/2025/07/14/elon-mus ... epartment/

Irans Houtis still attacking ships. Nothing has really changed with Iran, Israel and the US.

https://www.cnn.com/world/middleeast/et ... a-intl-hnk

[fiksal]

that pocketing of awards news seems familiar

didn't one of these pocket a ring before

sorry I meant stole

American party proposed by musk meant to draw votes away from Democrats like the RFK party?

are there any Musk fans who are voting Democrats?

cutting health and government services, parks - that's where one needs to vote Republican.

not to mention white genocide ideas that are also MAGA/ Republican.

I look forward to his party