Hazardous Regions - Lesson Learned/Warning Suggested (Spoilers)

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Hazardous Regions - Lesson Learned/Warning Suggested (Spoilers)

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Well, I guess it's my fault for putting all the responsibility on hired hands. Having no prior knowledge of or experience with the new sectors from 7.5, I naturally sent out several scouts to explore the new jump gates and beyond. One uncovered sector was particularly promising, at least from what the explorers revealed...
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Sanctum Verge, with its Independent Station, two Kha'ak hives, and abundance of mineral and gas resources
This sector's location and composition were quite ideal, so I set about building a new station there to claim ownership and exploit its resources. Even more, it was a great opportunity to take advantage of the newfangled wide area sensor array by locating the station smack dab in the center of the sector. As I was busy with "other stuff" and had plenty of minions to lean on, I just sent them all the orders to take care of it. But wow it was going to be great! I even sent a squadron of destroyers to get started "cleaning out the cobwebs" ahead of time.

Checking the universe map awhile later shows that my builder and trader ships are all gathered at the construction site as planned. Everything is sailing perfectly smoothly. Except... this trader is taking a very long time (and distance) to "undock" from the build storage. And these other traders seem to have suffered extensive shield loss, but they can't have been boosting their shields away. And the builder ship has hull damage. And another trader has its hull at critical. Uh oh! :o

None of my pilots have reported any threats, and there's nothing on the message ticker about any attacks. The map shows nothing hostile in the vicinity of the station. There are no wrecks from defeated enemies, dropped wares, or other signs of concluded battle. Were my ships attacked in other sectors while enroute? What's going on? :gruebel: :gruebel:

Nope. I simply made one of the classic blunders. No, not never get involved in a land war in Asia, but rather never count on the AI to tell you if something is wrong. It turns out I built the station in the middle of a massive hazardous region which was eating the construction fleet alive. It's my fault for not having personally surveyed the area first.

But... maybe there could be some kind of a warning or alert to help handle this? Ideally, the scouting ships could've given some kind of indication but barring that, perhaps display a warning when players are creating station plots in (already explored) unsafe regions. I'd argue the pilots of the jeopardized ships should be sending alerts, but it's already precedented that AI pilots will just silently fly to their dooms in the Void and other (in)famous hazardous regions. It just seems like this type of titanic failure could be readily prevented with just a little sensible notification.

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Huh, you'll expect more people to report it but this is literally the first I've heard that was a hazardous sector.
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Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 17:20 Huh, you'll expect more people to report it but this is literally the first I've heard that was a hazardous sector.
Indeed, it was the first I've "heard" too, but apparently, it's not just hazardous for me.
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Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 17:20 Huh, you'll expect more people to report it but this is literally the first I've heard that was a hazardous sector.
I don't recall it being hazardous during the beta? But then I'm quite forgetful at times...
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Scoob wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 17:58
Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 17:20 Huh, you'll expect more people to report it but this is literally the first I've heard that was a hazardous sector.
I don't recall it being hazardous during the beta? But then I'm quite forgetful at times...
Sounds like it's like The Void, where only parts of it is hazardous, since I do have my ships regularly traversing.
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Going by what the OP said, it's probably the gas patch that is hazardous. The one between the hives and also basically the center of the map.
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Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 18:38 Sounds like it's like The Void, where only parts of it is hazardous, since I do have my ships regularly traversing.
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Going by what the OP said, it's probably the gas patch that is hazardous. The one between the hives and also basically the center of the map.
Correct, as noted (and marked spoiler), only part of the sector is hazardous. The hazardous area can be easily avoided but is also large enough that ships traversing into its center (especially from the northern gate) will suffer substantial damage and risk being destroyed.
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Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 18:38 Sounds like it's like The Void, where only parts of it is hazardous, since I do have my ships regularly traversing.
Going by what the OP said, it's probably the gas patch that is hazardous. The one between the hives and also basically the center of the map.
Yeah, The Void has corrosive spots throughout, the glowy yellow rocks are the visual cue when you're there. I thought we were talking about one of the new v7.5 sectors though?
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I have been through the sector riding shotgun with a 5 * Pilot quite a few times, I recall flying through there myself once and discovered the hazard region.
With a good pilot in charge of the ship they fly the same as they do in the void, ie they will start climbing over the area, and then come down again on the other side.
I dont know if it needs a really good pilot to do this, but yeah setting up a station which ships need to get to in the middle of it is probably a bad idea unless they are all modified to withstand hazardous regions.
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I was flying through there myself when I first found out about the hazardous region. Sounds like I would have been far better off with my relief pilot at the helm. As it happened however I was flying a blisteringly fast Irukandji at the time. Fast enough to get deep inside the hazard, nowhere near tough enough to survive the return journey, after I noticed my ship was swiftly melting around me... :oops:
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stooper88 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 18:58
Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 18:38 Sounds like it's like The Void, where only parts of it is hazardous, since I do have my ships regularly traversing.
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Going by what the OP said, it's probably the gas patch that is hazardous. The one between the hives and also basically the center of the map.
Correct, as noted (and marked spoiler), only part of the sector is hazardous. The hazardous area can be easily avoided but is also large enough that ships traversing into its center (especially from the northern gate) will suffer substantial damage and risk being destroyed.
You mean the Western gate? Because mine regularly goes from south(?) to north. No issues.
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Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 20:43
stooper88 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 18:58 Correct, as noted (and marked spoiler), only part of the sector is hazardous. The hazardous area can be easily avoided but is also large enough that ships traversing into its center (especially from the northern gate) will suffer substantial damage and risk being destroyed.
You mean the Western gate? Because mine regularly goes from south(?) to north. No issues.
In my game, the sector in question has a N gate almost directly above center (12 o'clock or 0 degrees heading), a NW gate (10:30 or 315 degrees heading), and a SE gate (4:30 or 135 degrees heading). Ships travelling directly between the NW and N gates or the N and SE gates are able to completely avoid the hazardous region. Ships travelling from the NW gate to the center, from the SE gate to the center, or from the NW gate (through the center) to the SE gate will enter the hazardous region only for a limited distance and duration.

But as the hazardous region forms a divider that bisects the sector along its North-South axis, ships travelling from the N gate to the center of the sector (where my station was being built) and vice-versa will be exposed to its hazardous region for the majority of their travel distance and suffer massive harm.
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stooper88 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 23:00
Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 20:43
stooper88 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 18:58 Correct, as noted (and marked spoiler), only part of the sector is hazardous. The hazardous area can be easily avoided but is also large enough that ships traversing into its center (especially from the northern gate) will suffer substantial damage and risk being destroyed.
You mean the Western gate? Because mine regularly goes from south(?) to north. No issues.
In my game, the sector in question has a N gate almost directly above center (12 o'clock or 0 degrees heading), a NW gate (10:30 or 315 degrees heading), and a SE gate (4:30 or 135 degrees heading). Ships travelling directly between the NW and N gates or the N and SE gates are able to completely avoid the hazardous region. Ships travelling from the NW gate to the center, from the SE gate to the center, or from the NW gate (through the center) to the SE gate will enter the hazardous region only for a limited distance and duration.

But as the hazardous region forms a divider that bisects the sector along its North-South axis, ships travelling from the N gate to the center of the sector (where my station was being built) and vice-versa will be exposed to its hazardous region for the majority of their travel distance and suffer massive harm.
Right. I was thinking of gate to gate travel.
Incidentally something I just noticed, NW to SE, M ships, they take a detour around the northern tip of the... cloud thing that shows on the map. I don't think I've been there personally so I don't really know what's what.
And SE to NW, L ships, they blast right through the cloud, no damage apparently, I thought it would be like Tharka's with pulsing shields or something.
So it's interesting how the same route will cause different ship classes to take separate routes.
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Scoob wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 17:58
Raptor34 wrote: Thu, 27. Feb 25, 17:20 Huh, you'll expect more people to report it but this is literally the first I've heard that was a hazardous sector.
I don't recall it being hazardous during the beta? But then I'm quite forgetful at times...
I remember flying through it during the beta and discovering it was a hazardous region.

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