[1724]Can't Increase Vigor Syndicate Reputation (after plot if it drops below -20) - Improved in 6.00.

[Afro Luigi]

So I'm not sure if it's intentional or not so I'm posting this just in case.

But if your reputation falls below -20 after the turning against the Northriver Company in the story, as well as paying the Vigor Syndicate off and destroying the station. It appears to be impossible to raise your Reputation with VIG.

I've tried selling ships to the enemies of VIG near their stations and blowing them up, I've tried luring Kha'ak and Xenon spawned from encounters to their stations, and didn't gain any reputation from either strategy. As well as buzzing their stations searching for Criminal Traffic which didn't spawn.

Is this intended behavior? Something overlooked? Or is it possible something is broken in my save? I can provide a save if necessary.

[Feloidea]

Going to chip in on this as I can confirm that killing Xenons right next to their station isn't rewarded in any fashion (no credit or reputation gain) and I haven't any criminal traffic spawn so far (then again, technically every bit of traffic from VIG can be considered criminal). This does feel like it's unintended as reputation recovery would be impossible if you drop low enough to not get access to any missions.

And at the rate at which you lose reputation if you were to try and trade with VIG as everything in their sectors is considered illegal and station recurity will scan your traders more often than not ... so far after two police scans, despite having done three random missions for VIG, I'm down to -11 reputation. As I'm now denied docking permissions this may even make some plot missions for ToA content impossible unless I can recover the reputation.

[furirkeeper]

Same question. I ended up in a quite big skirmish with VIG that brought me down from -5 to -17 and now I don't see a way to increase it. I am considering reloading prior save.

[Afro Luigi]

Same question. I ended up in a quite big skirmish with VIG that brought me down from -5 to -17 and now I don't see a way to increase it. I am considering reloading prior save.

At -17 they should still be offering you missions as far as I know, so have a look for some of those.

[Casishur]

The same applies here as with the Yakis. They don't have a Protecitve Flag. They don't care if you shoot down an enemy ship in their area.

if you fall below -9 you have a big problem that makes it impossible to restore your reputation.

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    <faction id="loanshark" name="{20203,3301}" description="{20203,3302}" shortname="{20203,3303}" prefixname="{20203,3304}" primaryrace="argon" behaviourset="default" known="1" tags="claimspace economic police privateloadout privateship plunder" policefaction="loanshark">

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    <faction id="scavenger" name="{20203,3201}" description="{20203,3202}" shortname="{20203,3203}" prefixname="{20203,3204}" primaryrace="argon" behaviourset="default" known="1" tags="claimspace economic extrarepair privateloadout privateship" policefaction="loanshark">

[furirkeeper]

The same applies here as with the Yakis. They don't have a Protecitve Flag. They don't care if you shoot down an enemy ship in their area.

if you fall below -9 you have a big problem that makes it impossible to restore your reputation.

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    <faction id="loanshark" name="{20203,3301}" description="{20203,3302}" shortname="{20203,3303}" prefixname="{20203,3304}" primaryrace="argon" behaviourset="default" known="1" tags="claimspace economic police privateloadout privateship plunder" policefaction="loanshark">

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    <faction id="scavenger" name="{20203,3201}" description="{20203,3202}" shortname="{20203,3203}" prefixname="{20203,3204}" primaryrace="argon" behaviourset="default" known="1" tags="claimspace economic extrarepair privateloadout privateship" policefaction="loanshark">

That is unfortunate.
If there is truly no way to increase rep if below level to do missions I think they should add a way to pay to get rep. For all factions that it is impossible to gain rep, for example FAF (or whatever they are called)

[Afro Luigi]

The same applies here as with the Yakis. They don't have a Protecitve Flag. They don't care if you shoot down an enemy ship in their area.

if you fall below -9 you have a big problem that makes it impossible to restore your reputation.

So do we know if this is intentional behavior? Or was the Protective flag forgotten? If it's intentionall I guess I should begin the purge of Vigor!

[Aaron Lewis]

i have the same issue...

i was searching at every base in their universe for ways to raise the reputation.

1. they do not have police and criminal civil travic at any bases

2. all their missions are either against Vigor Faction or neutral, not a single one increases reputation

3. in the current state, its almost impossible to do the Storyquest line without breaking it at the point where you have to destroy the icefactory.

this is what happend to me:

i was arround +15 reputation before i started attacking the ice factory

i dropped down to -30 and at the end of the massacre you get rewarded up to plus 15 but.... the fight is not over when that happends.. all units wich already been in a fight )against small fighters, defense drones etc) are unable to retreat.

when you hit the "all units retreat button" only all units wich are not in combat do retreat, that causes them to go back at those cancled fights on repeat. only way to not loose more reputation there in the current state would be reloading the save file and erasing all those ships in paused menue lol kinda sad... cause im at minus 11... and when im right you can trade with them at -10.....

now i have the mission to go to their ship warf to get a new rank but im unable to visit it cause they wouldnt let me enter at minus 11 cause like i said... the fight... is not over with destroying the icefactory...


edit: if there only would be a hull modification wich replicates the PGS Camoflage.... like yaki did with Xenon... that would allow me to walk into their organisationsleaders office, and get my increased rank and maybe fix my issue...

[Aaron Lewis]

jo man, i don't know what it was, the day i tried to find missions, non appeared, as i logged into the game one day later, there appeared a mission while i was in vigor sector where they wanted me to build a station for them. that catapulted my rep up from minus ten to minus 6, and now my traders can bring it up again issue solved try out to just completely close the game and to search for missions at an other day

[Afro Luigi]

jo man, i don't know what it was, the day i tried to find missions, non appeared, as i logged into the game one day later, there appeared a mission while i was in vigor sector where they wanted me to build a station for them. that catapulted my rep up from minus ten to minus 6, and now my traders can bring it up again issue solved try out to just completely close the game and to search for missions at an other day

That would work if our reputation was above -20. But mission providing factions offer missions only till -19. Once you get lower, no more missions. So no, resetting the game work work in all situations.

[Player]

Is there any solution for this? I can't level up in reputation and the missions with them are gone. I've been using an original save since the game's launch.

[paiku]

Someone mentioned you can find vig missions from data league at stations from other factions. I didn't check it though.

[guims]

I'm +15 relation with Vigor syndicate but still can't buy military ships license.

Setting a miner ship doing its stuff in their system is enough to increase relationship. That's how I did it. But why bothering if you still can't buy those badass looking crafts?

[Submarine]

My peaceful lawful courier freighter was threatened by a VIG Barbarossa, I told it to escape and when I arrived in sector the Barb was red -30.

I attacked and captured this plunderer Barb whereupon a second Barb fired on me and had -25 so I captured that as well.

Now I have -21 rep and seek to come to an understanding with VIG but VIG wont respond helpfully.

No rep from Xenon killing, if I kill a Xenon in range of the station it launches drones to attack me.

Nor do I get anything from scanning data leaks on their stations.

Seems I am stuck, but IMHO morally not my fault, as they started it with blatant aggressive piracy!

Its nice to be in the right but it presents a bit of a problem as VIG swarms camp several important gates well outside VIG territory so problems are going to be inevitable just getting around the place.

Cant revert as I made too many saves during capture and overwrote the previous saves. Appears to be an intractable problem.

[Scarletian]

I am on -25 after paying them off and destroying the marked station. Looking for a way to increase rep, but have not found any way so far. I am really curious about the casino in their space, but I guess I will have to wait until someone figures out how to make those idiots like you again.

[user750]

My peaceful lawful courier freighter was threatened by a VIG Barbarossa, I told it to escape and when I arrived in sector the Barb was red -30.

I attacked and captured this plunderer Barb whereupon a second Barb fired on me and had -25 so I captured that as well.

Now I have -21 rep and seek to come to an understanding with VIG but VIG wont respond helpfully.

No rep from Xenon killing, if I kill a Xenon in range of the station it launches drones to attack me.

Nor do I get anything from scanning data leaks on their stations.

Seems I am stuck, but IMHO morally not my fault, as they started it with blatant aggressive piracy!

Its nice to be in the right but it presents a bit of a problem as VIG swarms camp several important gates well outside VIG territory so problems are going to be inevitable just getting around the place.

Cant revert as I made too many saves during capture and overwrote the previous saves. Appears to be an intractable problem.

Exactly the same situation here. Barbarossa is RED, the ship is an ENEMY, which is robbing and killing my traders. If i touch it - i get penalty from the faction, this is just stupid. Is this mechanic broken among the countless other things? If this was intented, give me a mechanic to hire third party ships to destroy pirates and not get penalized. If it wasn't, just fix the damn thing for god's sake, you had FIVE YEARS, EGOSOFT!

[Alan Phipps]

@ user750: This is the Tech Sp forum for specific issue reports and providing investigative evidence and *not* for gameplay rants, thanks. The thread topic (how can a player recover after getting to -20 with VIG) has a bug tracker number and so let's see what the devs do when and if they get round to it.

[Hrochnick]

Not exactly a gameplay fix, but might be a your game fix if you suddenly find yourself in a similar situation, like I did when a ship or two of mine were challenged by the police as they rolled through carrying a bucket of ice, right past one of my carrier groups (who eventually got involved) and I didn't notice until several saves later and a couple of dozen dead VIG ships (I was busy concentrating on building stations and ignored all the beep beep alerts, my faut): you can edit the rep in the save file and put it back to positive (if you're into that sort of thing).

[Spikeles]

Patch 6.0 notes:

> Added extra Signal Leak missions for factions foreign to station owner, allowing player to earn reputation for Vigor Syndicate at Teladi stations and for Fallen Families at Free Families stations.

Can confirm these leaks show even at -24 Vigor rep.

[debdrup]

I think maybe the patch needs to have the reward for the missions bumped a bit, because even raising the reputation by a single point takes 4-5 missions at -22 - and every single time a VIG ship sees a combat ship, they'll attack it and promptly get killed, causing more ships to be called to the place.
This leads to a negative reputation spiral that is impossible to crawl out of, especially if you're participating in the online multiverse beta where there's only one save-game.

EDIT: To try to add an argument to this in case anyone reads it and can make it happen, TEL stations are already where a lot of the SCA missions show up constantly - so the chance of finding a mission for VIG is greatly dimished, on top of the lack of reputation gained - it effectively becomes impossible to recover if the mission chain goes badly and you end up with negative reputation.