Trump

[matthewfarmery]

This is both good and sad at the same time

https://theslot.jezebel.com/lets-meet-t ... 1845704809

Let's Meet the 2 Republicans In Michigan Who Tried and Failed to Pull Off a Coup for Trump Last Night

So while Biden did win the vote, these two Republicans tried to over turn that. In fact, they nearly succeeded. But at the last minute, there was a change of heart.

As far as I know, this is the only state that has tried to do this? but if this does happen in other states, all hell will break lose. Man, what a bunch of twits those two are. At least the certificate is now secured in Biden's favour.

[Vertigo 7]

Already posted about that a while back. 2 GOP operatives tried to deny the votes of every black person in Detroit just for grins while their majority white counties with all kinds of problems were going to be counted. They reversed course after citizens roasted them.

[mr.WHO]

There's a big flaw in your argument. Hillary conceded the election the day after the race was called and Obama had Trump and his transition team in the White House the following day. What a few did beyond that was meaningless and ignored. Only Trump and those that are in his corner trot out that meaningless dribble. Why are you trying to draw a false equivalency there?

1) 2016 Didn't had COVID outbreak that push everything to the edge physically and mentally.
2) You can't call Obama a swift transition, if they immediately started to dig for hooks on Trump presonel and founding "the resistance" they openly brag about. Last week they openly admitted they misinform Trump about how many troops are actually in Syria. Really clean.

[Vertigo 7]

There's a big flaw in your argument. Hillary conceded the election the day after the race was called and Obama had Trump and his transition team in the White House the following day. What a few did beyond that was meaningless and ignored. Only Trump and those that are in his corner trot out that meaningless dribble. Why are you trying to draw a false equivalency there?

1) 2016 Didn't had COVID outbreak that push everything to the edge physically and mentally.
2) You can't call Obama a swift transition, if they immediately started to dig for hooks on Trump presonel and founding "the resistance" they openly brag about. Last week they openly admitted they misinform Trump about how many troops are actually in Syria. Really clean.

WTF does COVID have to do with admitting defeat? And I didn't say it was swift. I don't know any specifics about what went on during the transition, but I do know that Trump and his staff were there. There's nothing about either that is a valid excuse for Trump and his moronic followers to act like this.

And where are you getting your information from? Sources on the Syria claim, please.

[matthewfarmery]

Already posted about that a while back. 2 GOP operatives tried to deny the votes of every black person in Detroit just for grins while their majority white counties with all kinds of problems were going to be counted. They reversed course after citizens roasted them.

I must have missed that. considering how fast things are going.

I have to admit, it would have been a cold day in history if that coup had been successful. And would have brought out the worst in people/ So far, I not seen other states doing similar.

@mr.WHO
Covid, has nothing to do with what is currently happening now. and the clown show that Rudy and Trump are playing at. Trump simply doesn't want to leave. Hence all the court cases.

The fact that Trump is trying desperately to keep with voter fraud, and not conceding, Trump has lost it. and he going into full scale meltdown mode.

How long will this last? how long before he destroys American from within? And with the latest firing, that is what Trump is doing. And the GOP are just looking the other way while America crumbles.

Without swift action, America will be vulnerable. But that I think was Trump's and Putin's plan.

Again, as long as this continues, the worst it will be for America.

[Vertigo 7]

Already posted about that a while back. 2 GOP operatives tried to deny the votes of every black person in Detroit just for grins while their majority white counties with all kinds of problems were going to be counted. They reversed course after citizens roasted them.

I must have missed that. considering how fast things are going.

I have to admit, it would have been a cold day in history if that coup had been successful. And would have brought out the worst in people/ So far, I not seen other states doing similar.

No, so far they haven't. All of the legislatures in all of the swing states have also shot down Trump's plan C to replace the electors with Trump loyalists. Georgia's recount is set to be completed today and their certification will be going ahead this Friday, which is their state law. Rudy Colludy is flailing in court and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he ends up pissing off a judge and gets thrown in jail for contempt. But Trump has his fall guy. Rudy is gonna fall on his sword for Trump, whether he likes it or not. And the masses will blame Rudy for letting democrats get away with stealing the election.

Meanwhile, republicans are ripping into each other, potentially jeopardizing the GA senate runoffs. Half of em are pissed that the GA SoS isn't dancing to Trump's tune while the other half are trying and failing at not pissing off the orange one.

[mr.WHO]

Covid, has nothing to do with what is currently happening now. and the clown show that Rudy and Trump are playing at. Trump simply doesn't want to leave. Hence all the court cases.

The fact that Trump is trying desperately to keep with voter fraud, and not conceding, Trump has lost it. and he going into full scale meltdown mode.

It won't be the first nor last time when politician throw the temper tantrum. If he would actually try to **** things up more, he wouldn't go to court, but rather spew fraud allegations without investigation.
Do you really think it will be more likely he will refuse to leave the office after court dismiss his cases? or it will be much harder for him stay and much easier to explain to his more dedicated followers?
COVID has much to do with it because everyone are more on edge, especially far too devoted political followers. Court cases investigation and dismissal will give them time to cool off till december.

I much prefer Trump making clown of himself in TV than far left and far right nutjobs using this as an excuse to jump to eachother throat.

I'm a bit suprise that Rudy, for all his grand announcement pulled a big nothingburger, but well, he's grown up, so it's his reputation and his choice.

WTF does COVID have to do with admitting defeat? And I didn't say it was swift. I don't know any specifics about what went on during the transition, but I do know that Trump and his staff were there. There's nothing about either that is a valid excuse for Trump and his moronic followers to act like this.

And where are you getting your information from? Sources on the Syria claim, please.

Contrary, he don't have to admit defeat and media already annouced Biden victory anyway so what's the point? The actual victory is after ellectoral vote (and I recall there were some unfaithful electors in 2016, so you can't be sure it won't be now - even if it's just theoretical), all else is just a soap opera and cheap drama for TV and Internet.

As for the Syria information:
https://news.yahoo.com/rep-jim-banks-ca ... 05443.html

Kinda ******, if president cannot be president because they serve him false information, I bet they did the same to Obama...oh wait WMD in Iraq was also false and Osama wasn't even in Afganistan in the end.
This makes me calmer for Biden presidency...no matter who sit in the chair there will be consistency

[Vertigo 7]

Covid, has nothing to do with what is currently happening now. and the clown show that Rudy and Trump are playing at. Trump simply doesn't want to leave. Hence all the court cases.

The fact that Trump is trying desperately to keep with voter fraud, and not conceding, Trump has lost it. and he going into full scale meltdown mode.

It won't be the first nor last time when politician throw the temper tantrum. If he would actually try to **** things up more, he wouldn't go to court, but rather spew fraud allegations without investigation.
Do you really think it will be more likely he will refuse to leave the office after court dismiss his cases? or it will be much harder for him stay and much easier to explain to his more dedicated followers?
COVID has much to do with it because everyone are more on edge, especially far too devoted political followers. Court cases investigation and dismissal will give them time to cool off till december.

I much prefer Trump making clown of himself in TV than far left and far right nutjobs using this as an excuse to jump to eachother throat.

I'm a bit suprise that Rudy, for all his grand announcement pulled a big nothingburger, but well, he's grown up, so it's his reputation and his choice.

Have you not been paying attention? He isn't trying to win the cases. He's trying to delay certification of the votes so that the electors can't cast their ballots and force Biden's electoral votes below 270 which then means the election is decided in congress.

WTF does COVID have to do with admitting defeat? And I didn't say it was swift. I don't know any specifics about what went on during the transition, but I do know that Trump and his staff were there. There's nothing about either that is a valid excuse for Trump and his moronic followers to act like this.

And where are you getting your information from? Sources on the Syria claim, please.

Contrary, he don't have to admit defeat and media already annouced Biden victory anyway so what's the point? The actual victory is after ellectoral vote (and I recall there were some unfaithful electors in 2016, so you can't be sure it won't be now - even if it's just theoretical), all else is just a soap opera and cheap drama for TV and Internet.

As for the Syria information:
https://news.yahoo.com/rep-jim-banks-ca ... 05443.html

Kinda ******, if president cannot be president because they serve him false information, I bet they did the same to Obama...oh wait WMD in Iraq was also false and Osama wasn't even in Afganistan in the end.
This makes me calmer for Biden presidency...no matter who sit in the chair there will be consistency

Yeah... I didn't realize Obama was still transitioning to Trump in 2019. Learn something new every day

[mr.WHO]

Have you not been paying attention? He isn't trying to win the cases. He's trying to delay certification of the votes so that the electors can't cast their ballots and force Biden's electoral votes below 270 which then means the election is decided in congress.

I already stated that if it's the case, then he's in wrong and even if he win, it will bite Republicans in the ass and guarantee real Blue landslide in 2022/2024.

Yeah... I didn't realize Obama was still transitioning to Trump in 2019. Learn something new every day

Imagine the uproar, if he would try to purge all "the resitance" at the start of the administration.
Yes it's his fault for not doing it at second half of his term, but if he would do this then, he would be branded as nut seeing traitors everywhere.

[matthewfarmery]

The real issue is, if this gets to congress and Trump is named. I fear a full scale spark happening. Because congress should not have the power to overturn the will of the people. But that is exactly what Trump is trying to do.

As long as this continues, Trump is causing havoc. Even if he remains as president, he still not only undermining his own chances, but Bidens, if he wins.

You might as well throw the Constitution in the bin now.

But yes at the same time, Trump with his antics will damage America for a long time, regardless on who wins and who will win afterwards.

This is the problem, sure they are playing for time, but time is not on America's side.

[Vertigo 7]

Have you not been paying attention? He isn't trying to win the cases. He's trying to delay certification of the votes so that the electors can't cast their ballots and force Biden's electoral votes below 270 which then means the election is decided in congress.

I already stated that if it's the case, then he's in wrong and even if he win, it will bite Republicans in the ass and guarantee real Blue landslide in 2022/2024.

Yeah... I didn't realize Obama was still transitioning to Trump in 2019. Learn something new every day

Imagine the uproar, if he would try to purge all "the resitance" at the start of the administration.
Yes it's his fault for not doing it at second half of his term, but if he would do this then, he would be branded as nut seeing traitors everywhere.

Why are you trying to pin that on Obama? Obama's name wasn't even mentioned in the article you linked. Is everything black people do somehow bad to you? You've attacked BLM, defended cops for shooting unarmed blacks, now you're trying to blame Obama for something that he had nothing to do with.

[Mightysword]

So while Biden did win the vote, these two Republicans tried to over turn that. In fact, they nearly succeeded. But at the last minute, there was a change of heart.

No, they were not nearly any where being succeed.

That decision was from the local panel, even if they didn't reverse course, it would move to a higher panel, and hypothetically even if that panel don't certify it, the Michigan's secretary of state already said that she has the authority to canvas the votes and will use that authority to make sure the result is certified if the panels insist on letting politic stand in the way.

So no, aside from a bit of partisan annoyance, the result in Michigan had never been at any point at risk in any shape or form - change of heart or not. Yes things are bad, but the reason they sound 10x worse because everything have to be dramatized. Just like the quote below

How long will this last? how long before he destroys American from within? And with the latest firing, that is what Trump is doing. And the GOP are just looking the other way while America crumbles.

He's not destroying anything except his own inner circles. These people are simply his appointees, employee at will he can fire as he please, they are his people. Like correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember a lot of you prior to the election result were calling for a "house cleaning" anyway. So once Trump is out, these people would be going out with him anyway. If anything, I take it as positive. The people appointed by Trump are often accused as his "yes man or puppet", but if that's the case, explain the high turn about rate and repeat firing from his cabinet? It's proof that a good chunk of people (not all) despite working under him still do not follow him. I'm tell you one thing that is crumbling for sure - and that is Trump - and that's it.

I mentioned this before, but if there one person Trump wants to fire the most, it gotta be Fauci. Despite Trump technically has the power to do it, and technically he can replace everyone along the decision chain to make it happens, Fauci is still here while being Trump's public enemy #1. Samething about the fuss when he shuffled defense officials last week and people talked as if he's consolidating military power for a coup, I just watched and shaked my head. Those are just civilian appointees (despite the lofty tittles), until I see Trump can willy nilly fire/replace/remove actual uniformed official, the US military stands high.

Like seriously, do people think Trump is the Thai king or something? Trump may think himself as Maha Vajiralongkorn, but in the land the United of A, he is not. He's a clown and you're free to laugh at him (in fact I encourage it), but please don't try to make him sound more than he is. It's weird, people are giving Trump way too much credits even as they're shiting on him.

[mr.WHO]

The real issue is, if this gets to congress and Trump is named. I fear a full scale spark happening. Because congress should not have the power to overturn the will of the people. But that is exactly what Trump is trying to do.

They won't dare to pull this out - for what? just 2 more years in power? and then guarantee that they will never be elected ever again?
Bad trade-off.

There is plenty enough Republicans and Trump supporters that would not like to win via technical trick.
No matter how retarted the people in 2020 are, I don't see 70+ mil people to accept that if court dismiss all claims on time (which appear to be what we have now with safe margin).

[Vertigo 7]

The real issue is, if this gets to congress and Trump is named. I fear a full scale spark happening. Because congress should not have the power to overturn the will of the people. But that is exactly what Trump is trying to do.

They won't dare to pull this out - for what? just 2 more years in power? and then guarantee that they will never be elected ever again?
Bad trade-off.

There is plenty enough Republicans and Trump supporters that would not like to win via technical trick.
No matter how retarted the people in 2020 are, I don't see 70+ mil people to accept that if court dismiss all claims on time (which appear to be what we have now with safe margin).

But it wont matter. That's the point. Voting will be done. All they have to do is cry fraud and repeat Trump's stupid game and no one gets elected anymore. Give that one or two cycles and Trump officially crowns himself emperor, sith lord, whatever the hell he wants to call himself and the US is history.

[mr.WHO]

But it wont matter. That's the point. Voting will be done. All they have to do is cry fraud and repeat Trump's stupid game and no one gets elected anymore. Give that one or two cycles and Trump officially crowns himself emperor, sith lord, whatever the hell he wants to call himself and the US is history.

We'll see 14th of December - there is still one month left and I'm rather sure courts will work overtime to clear out all the cases by then.

Even if we entertain such scenario, then what Trump can do in 2 years? I'm rather sure that in that scenario Dems would take both the House and Senate in 2022 and then Presidency in 2024.

If you think that Trump will become Palpatine in just 2 years then you really overestimate him.

[Vertigo 7]

But it wont matter. That's the point. Voting will be done. All they have to do is cry fraud and repeat Trump's stupid game and no one gets elected anymore. Give that one or two cycles and Trump officially crowns himself emperor, sith lord, whatever the hell he wants to call himself and the US is history.

We'll see 14th of December - there is still one month left and I'm rather sure courts will work overtime to clear out all the cases by then.

Even if we entertain such scenario, then what Trump can do in 2 years? I'm rather sure that in that scenario Dems would take both the House and Senate in 2022 and then Presidency in 2024.

If you think that Trump will become Palpatine in just 2 years then you really overestimate him.

Well, he's damn sure trying. I wouldn't put anything past him. You've said yourself he's a nut. What do you think insane people with power do? (psst, one invaded your country in the first half of the 20'th century)

[matthewfarmery]

So while Biden did win the vote, these two Republicans tried to over turn that. In fact, they nearly succeeded. But at the last minute, there was a change of heart.

No, they were not nearly any where being succeed.

That decision was from the local panel, even if they didn't reverse course, it would move to a higher panel, and hypothetically even if that panel don't certify it, the Michigan's secretary of state already said that she has the authority to canvas the votes and will use that authority to make sure the result is certified if the panels insist on letting politic stand in the way.

So no, aside from a bit of partisan annoyance, the result in Michigan had never been at any point at risk in any shape or form - change of heart or not. Yes things are bad, but the reason they sound 10x worse because everything have to be dramatized. Just like the quote below

How long will this last? how long before he destroys American from within? And with the latest firing, that is what Trump is doing. And the GOP are just looking the other way while America crumbles.

He's not destroying anything except his own inner circles. These people are simply his appointees, employee at will he can fire as he please, they are his people. Like correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember a lot of you prior to the election result were calling for a "house cleaning" anyway. So once Trump is out, these people would be going out with him anyway. If anything, I take it as positive. The people appointed by Trump are often accused as his "yes man or puppet", but if that's the case, explain the high turn about rate and repeat firing from his cabinet? It's proof that a good chunk of people (not all) despite working under him still do not follow him. I'm tell you one thing that is crumbling for sure - and that is Trump - and that's it.

I mentioned this before, but if there one person Trump wants to fire the most, it gotta be Fauci. Despite Trump technically has the power to do it, and technically he can replace everyone along the decision chain to make it happens, Fauci is still here while being Trump's public enemy #1. Samething about the fuss when he shuffled defense officials last week and people talked as if he's consolidating military power for a coup, I just watched and shaked my head. Those are just civilian appointees (despite the lofty tittles), until I see Trump can willy nilly fire/replace/remove actual uniformed official, the US military stands high.

Like seriously, do people think Trump is the Thai king or something? Trump may think himself as Maha Vajiralongkorn, but in the land the United of A, he is not. He's a clown and you're free to laugh at him (in fact I encourage it), but please don't try to make him sound more than he is. It's weird, people are giving Trump way too much credits even as they're shiting on him.

But he is destroying things, His latest firing of Chris Krebs proves that. I don't think Trump appointed him? And there been a fair amount of backlash over this firing, from many sides.

Trump is firing those that have stood up to him, and placing his own puppets in place. All this isn't helping matters at all.

[Mightysword]

I'm not arguing with what he's trying to do, but the dramatic effect that often associated with his action. Put it as simple as this: the "easier" you see him doing something, it just means it will be equally easy to revert the same thing, be it about policy or personnel.

What we're seeing is a house full of grown arse men acting like children. It's unsightly yes, but the house itself is not coming down, period.

[mr.WHO]

Well, he's damn sure trying. I wouldn't put anything past him. You've said yourself he's a nut. What do you think insane people with power do? (psst, one invaded your country in the first half of the 20'th century)

Believe me I can tell the difference between Trump and Hitler, so trying to make such comparison actually make you look a bit unsound.
I can also tell the difference between Biden and Stalin for the people on the other side of spectrum and they looks unsound too.

My grandparents generation paid with blood for this knowledge, so it sux to see current generation to trivialize this to modern political BS.
I'm sure any remaining WW2 veteran would concur.

[Vertigo 7]

Well, he's damn sure trying. I wouldn't put anything past him. You've said yourself he's a nut. What do you think insane people with power do? (psst, one invaded your country in the first half of the 20'th century)

Believe me I can tell the difference between Trump and Hitler, so trying to make such comparison actually make you look a bit unsound.
I can also tell the difference between Biden and Stalin for the people on the other side of spectrum.

My grandparents generation paid with blood for this knowledge, so it sux to see current generation to trivialize this to modern political BS.
I'm sure any remaining WW2 veteran would concur.

I'm not trivializing anything. You're the one that's trivialized Trump. The two are far more alike than you would care to admit. Just because he hasn't tried to invade Europe, that doesn't take away from his impulses and behaviors. Kids in cages, ring a bell? Forced hysterectomies, extra judicial killings, attacks on US citizens, I could go on.

And since you decided to go this route, it wasn't too long ago you were insinuating something about Trump's German heritage as we were talking about Neo-Nazis in the US.

As we were drifting a bit too off-topic I checked Trump family origin and....hmmmmmmmmm.