Trump

[Vertigo 7]

SCOTUS ruled in favor of DACA and called Trump's attempt to dismantle it "arbitrary and not justified".

This hot on the heels of last week's ruling in favor of LGBTQ rights.

This is very good news, but they're guaranteed to go the other way on his tax return vote next week though.

That's alright. I'm sure tax evasion will be one of several charges he'll be facing by the end of 2021.

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEebPU8-Sro

Biden's campaign released its first attack ad a couple of days ago. It's pretty brutal.

[notaterran]

Biden's campaign has to come out swinging, but this is also just to get a feel for what the other campaign is going to do and how they're going to respond. Depends on their line of attack: I'm guessing Trump's campaign will go after Biden's family, but any campaign strategist already has an answer for that. It's a mixture of consistently hammering your message out to the audience and keeping an eye on your polling to see how it moves (or doesn't). June is a good time to start campaigning because the sitting pres doesn't get the benefit of the 4th of July if he's already on the defensive. Considering that Trump's margin of victory in 2016 -for example in Michigan- was razor-thin, I'd say that his campaign will have their hands full. On the other hand, if -mighty big "if"- Trump has really lost the suburbs as some polls suggest, then the proverbial writing is already on the wall.

[Vertigo 7]

I believe it is. It's not a done deal, mind you, but just about the only people left actively supporting Trump are white nationalists, a handful of rich white guys, and a few coma patients that have recently woken up but haven't caught up on the last 3 and a half years yet.

Even Moscow Mitch is in a shockingly tight race to hold onto his senate seat.

It just looks to me that the country is sick of conservative bs.

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

In politics, you'll never know. A lot of votes can be moved in a very short amount of times, especially in the "information age".
Moreover, in USA political debates on tv, the one-on-one you're used to, are very important.
Biden seems to have some margin, but Trump is unpredictable and I have no idea how Biden is going to take the hit when blondie trumpie and every media and web bot he has will begin to charge his family and friends of anything, from mass murder, to pedophily, from being half chinese-half black, to plotting an alien invasion.

[clakclak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEebPU8-Sro

Biden's campaign released its first attack ad a couple of days ago. It's pretty brutal.

It is brutal but it also is a bit to, well I have a hard time putting it into words, artificial? flashy? critical in a populist way? boring? non engaging? I guess my main problem is that it is to removed from the people. It certainly talks about problems that effect people, but it isn't affectionate. It fails to link statistics to individual suffering. And envoking the feeling that America is suffering is what it is aiming at. So personally I think it is a failed ad.

[Vertigo 7]

In politics, you'll never know. A lot of votes can be moved in a very short amount of times, especially in the "information age".
Moreover, in USA political debates on tv, the one-on-one you're used to, are very important.
Biden seems to have some margin, but Trump is unpredictable and I have no idea how Biden is going to take the hit when blondie trumpie and every media and web bot he has will begin to charge his family and friends of anything, from mass murder, to pedophily, from being half chinese-half black, to plotting an alien invasion.

Id pay money to put Trump on a debate stage across from any real politician. That would be pure comedy.

But yeah, Biden needs to push the advantage and I'm sure he will. He needs a solid VP pick to pretty well unify the left in his corner. There's already folks on the right campaigning for Biden as well.

I really just don't see any kind of accusation that could come out of the Trump camp that would carry any weight. I mean, yeah, he'll get his lemmings to parrot it around, but that's to be expected. The bottom line is Biden has been in public service most of his life there's no record of any wrong doings on his part. Even the whole Tara Reade accusation dried up into a big ol' nothing after her own past came to light and cast significant doubts on her accusations. It would be pretty hard for Trump to try to levy those kinds of accusations against Biden and have them believed, especially with Trump being on tape bragging about sexual assault and his own infidelity a matter of public record. And trying to bring up Burisma again would just be a bad move on Trump's part.

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEebPU8-Sro

Biden's campaign released its first attack ad a couple of days ago. It's pretty brutal.

It is brutal but it also is a bit to, well I have a hard time putting it into words, artificial? flashy? critical in a populist way? boring? non engaging? I guess my main problem is that it is to removed from the people. It certainly talks about problems that effect people, but it isn't affectionate. It fails to link statistics to individual suffering. And envoking the feeling that America is suffering is what it is aiming at. So personally I think it is a failed ad.

It's just the beginning. There's more ads coming. There's a legal limit on how much ad time his campaign can run on air.

[felter]

Facebook has removed trump campaign ads for containing a Nazi hate symbol.

Things just don't seem to be going Trumps way right now, it's just one bad thing after another, couldn't happen to a nicer person.

[fiksal]

Gonna use this opportunity to talk about several semi-relative things.

I see. I suppose it'd make sense for me to read up how DACA came to be.
Was it not from Congress?

[Mightysword]

I see. I suppose it'd make sense for me to read up how DACA came to be.
Was it not from Congress?

Nope. It's the executive order version of the DREAM Act when that bill failed to pass congress. I recommend also read up the "Administrative Procedure Act" while you're at it, to get a full understanding of today rules. With Supreme court's decision the reason behind the ruling is almost as important as the ruling itself. Because understanding it gives you a fairly good guess what gonna happen in the future. For example, in the Plyler v. Doe's ruling, the reason given behind it pretty much put a blanket and deterred any future similar attempts. But this ruling today still leaves the future wide open, and for reasons I already explained, the next repealing attempt will very likely to be a guarantee success.

[Vertigo 7]

So you say. But their argument is solely based on the grounds that their agency policy decisions cannot be reviewed in court. In other words, DHS can do whatever it wants to do with no public accountability. That ain't gonna fly.

[Observe]

It is good to see the Confederate flag being banned in various places. For right or wrong, that flag has become/always has been a symbol of racism. To make matters worse for those who like the Confederate flag for benign reasons, it has become/always has been a banner for racists. As such, we might as well relegate this flag to museums and encyclopedias and move on.

[pjknibbs]

Id pay money to put Trump on a debate stage across from any real politician. That would be pure comedy.

Didn't that happen during the previous campaign? With the result Trump just sort of hung around in the back of shot when Hillary was speaking, like some sort of creepy uncle.

[Vertigo 7]

Id pay money to put Trump on a debate stage across from any real politician. That would be pure comedy.

Didn't that happen during the previous campaign? With the result Trump just sort of hung around in the back of shot when Hillary was speaking, like some sort of creepy uncle.

I guess. While she's certainly more knowledgeable about how the government functions than Trump is, I always viewed her as someone that was trading on her married name to gain political clout. I was never interested in seeing her running for office. The DNC had ample opportunity to find someone worth while and they blew it, imo. I would much rather have seen someone who had made a career of honorable public service. But, it is what it is, can't go back and change that, sadly.

Anywho, after I saw Trump's bumbling answer to his thoughts on the "nuclear triad", I made up my mind right then to cast my vote for a giant meteor and didn't watch any more of the debates.

[clakclak]

Facebook has removed trump campaign ads for containing a Nazi hate symbol.

Things just don't seem to be going Trumps way right now, it's just one bad thing after another, couldn't happen to a nicer person.

That article fails to fully explain why this red triangle is problematic in this context. Yes it is the symbol used for political prisoners in concentration camps, you can see all the different symbols here, the most famous is probably the yellow triangel for jews.

However the article fails to mention one thing. The Trump team used that symbol to refer to a group that would actually have worn that thing. The Antifa was around in the time of the Nazis (but unlike today it was not a political current but a specific organization). They were the paramilitary arm of the communist party Germany. Back in the day every party had it's own paramilitary. The Nazis had the SA (often refered to as brownshirts) and the SPD (social democrats who are currently one of the two parties rulling Germany) had the Iron Front (the ones with the three arrows). After Hitler took power the communist party was banned and many of it's members, including members of the Antifa, were imprisoned.

So when Tim Murtaugh says "The inverted red triangle is a symbol used by antifa, so it was included in an ad about antifa," than he is right, altough "used" makes it sound as if people wanted to wear these things. Antifa members who were locked up in concentration camps during the second world war would wear these symbols. If that however is what they want to allude to, than that is absolutely insane. Modern Antifa groups (at least in Germany) do not wear this triangle. You don't see Feine Sahne Fischfilet (probably Germany's most well known contemporary antifa group) walk around with it for example and you will probably not catch anyone else doing either, because it is universally seen as a Nazi label not a symbol of resistance in Germany.

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

In politics, you'll never know. A lot of votes can be moved in a very short amount of times, especially in the "information age".
Moreover, in USA political debates on tv, the one-on-one you're used to, are very important.
Biden seems to have some margin, but Trump is unpredictable and I have no idea how Biden is going to take the hit when blondie trumpie and every media and web bot he has will begin to charge his family and friends of anything, from mass murder, to pedophily, from being half chinese-half black, to plotting an alien invasion.

Id pay money to put Trump on a debate stage across from any real politician. That would be pure comedy.

That didn't go well with Hillary, did it?
But I suppose the key is "real politician", not just the flag of "first female president" and things like this.

[Vertigo 7]

That didn't go well with Hillary, did it?
But I suppose the key is "real politician", not just the flag of "first female president" and things like this.

Pretty much. Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris would both make a fine president. I wouldn't hesitate to vote for either of them in a general election. Of course, knowing what I know now about how Trump has wrecked this country, I would vote for Clinton. But as they say, hindsight is 20/20

[BrasatoAlBarolo]

That didn't go well with Hillary, did it?
But I suppose the key is "real politician", not just the flag of "first female president" and things like this.

Pretty much. Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris would both make a fine president. I wouldn't hesitate to vote for either of them in a general election. Of course, knowing what I know now about how Trump has wrecked this country, I would vote for Clinton. But as they say, hindsight is 20/20

Talking about women, what do American think about Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez? Not as a president, but more generically as a future "big gun" of democrats.
From outside, she looks like a woman fighting some right battles, passionate and clever and not as entitled as a lot of other female politicians we see around (of course, I'm refering to Italy in particular).

[felter]

Facebook has removed trump campaign ads for containing a Nazi hate symbol.

Things just don't seem to be going Trumps way right now, it's just one bad thing after another, couldn't happen to a nicer person.

That article fails to fully explain why this red triangle is problematic in this context. Yes it is the symbol used for political prisoners in concentration camps, you can see all the different symbols here, the most famous is probably the yellow triangel for jews.

However the article fails to mention one thing. The Trump team used that symbol to refer to a group that would actually have worn that thing. The Antifa was around in the time of the Nazis (but unlike today it was not a political current but a specific organization). They were the paramilitary arm of the communist party Germany. Back in the day every party had it's own paramilitary. The Nazis had the SA (often refered to as brownshirts) and the SPD (social democrats who are currently one of the two parties rulling Germany) had the Iron Front (the ones with the three arrows). After Hitler took power the communist party was banned and many of it's members, including members of the Antifa, were imprisoned.

So when Tim Murtaugh says "The inverted red triangle is a symbol used by antifa, so it was included in an ad about antifa," than he is right, altough "used" makes it sound as if people wanted to wear these things. Antifa members who were locked up in concentration camps during the second world war would wear these symbols. If that however is what they want to allude to, than that is absolutely insane. Modern Antifa groups (at least in Germany) do not wear this triangle. You don't see Feine Sahne Fischfilet (probably Germany's most well known contemporary antifa group) walk around with it for example and you will probably not catch anyone else doing either, because it is universally seen as a Nazi label not a symbol of resistance in Germany.

The article is more to do with Facebook actually removing a Trump advert, rather than why they removed the advert. Facebook has not done so before and that while other social media platforms have been actively doing so recently and with Facebook not doing so has caused them problems, where even the facebook staff did a virtual walkout. So this is a turnaround and a total change in policy from Facebook. But you are right people should know more about the history of symbolism and what the meaning of those symbols are and when it comes to racism there are more than just a swastika involved. The one person who needs to learn it the most though is Trump himself, but I'm not sure if he is even capable of learning anything new.