All i want for christmas is the Paranid Hyperion Vanguard :D

[AshesOfHegemony]

Paranid Hyperion Vanguard when? Was a fan favorite of X3:R and X3: AP. We neeedddddd it Egosoft(just as awesome as it used to be please).

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[Killjaeden]

(just as awesome as it used to be please)

You mean massively overpowered, so ship choice once again becomes a no brainer? No thanks.
Other than that, i wouldn't object. My preferred choice would be the right one of the Hyperion in your pic though Id love to see more sleek ships in X4 in general (like the Hyperion), which dont require a huge landing pad on them just so you can dock at it with a little fighter / "lifeboat". Ships that dont have big chunky modules dominating the majority of the ships hull, with the "actual" hull just being beams and panels floating above the modules.

[RoverTX]

All the frigates basically fit the Hyperion model.

Mid size ship that can dock anywhere. Good amount of storage and guns with the ability to dock fighters. They honestly just have less hard points, but everything in X4 does.

Hell the Gorgon kind of looks like the Hyperion turned on it’s side.

[chew-ie]

A remake would be nice - wouldn't want a 1:1 copy though. If it's M-size, "lifeboat" docks have to be rotated . Shifting it to (small) L-size can get us a L-turret in the center

All in all this could be good way to re-introduce docking clamps as a second type of docking - which also would lead to more ship variety. (a third type of docking could be hangars )

[AshesOfHegemony]

I disagree, i think there needs to be a ship inbetween medium and large. The only ship that comes close to reaching that balance is the nemesis(small to medium). The nemesis is pretty weak as a player ship though. Something that is perfectly the "player ship." Hyperion was the go to player ship in its hay-day. If you flew at 3 destroyers you were going to get wrecked though, which is expected.

We need something that has 6 medium turrets and 4-6 forward facing medium guns with roughly 50k hull and 50-70k shields and goes about 200-300 m/s. That would be the "perfect" player ship based upon what i've seen balance-wise in-game.

[AshesOfHegemony]

A remake would be nice - wouldn't want a 1:1 copy though. If it's M-size, "lifeboat" docks have to be rotated . Shifting it to (small) L-size can get us a L-turret in the center

All in all this could be good way to re-introduce docking clamps as a second type of docking - which also would lead to more ship variety. (a third type of docking could be hangars )

Yeah i'm not asking for the full compliment. I know it wouldn't have the same amount of weapons/turrets, but there really isn't a "step" between medium class to destroyer. It would definitely need an artist touch up as well. The gorgon is the closest thing to that.....but we are very limited on selection of in-between ships.

I like flying my nemesis, but in a blow-for-blow fight with a xenon K it would get shredded in seconds and the gorgon isn't much better in that regard. I mean even behemoth's get shredded by K's 1v1.

[Nort The Fragrent]

I want a ship that is impervious to attack, having no weapons and is running at 600. Can carry a good size cargo, and is nimble.
Effectively I am invisible to the reds, as I find them to be pointless, annoying, and a nuisance to my game play.

In X3 I used the Marco, for all my running around. And had fleets of Demeter Miners. Probably my favourite ship.

The UFO in X3 will do for me, Quick, small, and imposable to catch.

Can I request a UFO please.

[Pesanur]

Yeah i'm not asking for the full compliment. I know it wouldn't have the same amount of weapons/turrets, but there really isn't a "step" between medium class to destroyer. It would definitely need an artist touch up as well. The gorgon is the closest thing to that.....but we are very limited on selection of in-between ships.

I like flying my nemesis, but in a blow-for-blow fight with a xenon K it would get shredded in seconds and the gorgon isn't much better in that regard. I mean even behemoth's get shredded by K's 1v1.

For some reason, Paranid combat ships of X4 use Split logic, speed and firepower over shields.

[Axeface]

Ide be willing to bet that egosoft have plans to add the Hyperion, it was just so popular. I hope its added in a similar way to its AP varient though (not the overpowered M7, the TP version). X4 could use a new type of ship, the Hyperion is the perfect chassis to make a new luxury M transport class and maybe add some new passenger/marine transport missions. Could expand the workforce mechanic and allow us to move around a lot of workforce to stations that need it. Would make for a great player ship - pretty fast, responsive with a nice cargo hold, but not great at combat - luxury (and disgustingly expensive, the teladi would make the cheap transport bus ;p ).

For some reason, Paranid combat ships of X4 use Split logic, speed and firepower over shields.

I thought that was weird too and I expect it was designed like that to fill the split gap untill we got their ships. Now that we are getting the Split are we going to see balance/bloat problems where ships have too many weapons?

[Karmaticdamage]

I liked the spring blossom better. It was way faster and the only m6 with flak turrets.

[AleksMain]

I liked the spring blossom better. It was way faster and the only m6 with flak turrets.

My Hyperion Vanguard has speed 236 m/s (since day I got it).

Yes, it is less than 360 m/s of the Springblossom, but Hyperion Vanguard has Hanger for 2 ships, which can hold fastest ship possible - Kestrel.

There are other details, regarding Docking device, salvage of the capped ships into Hanger, etc.

[arragon0815]

Springblossom or Hyperion, for everything it needs a nice story why it suddenly exists, I think

[LameFox]

Careful what you wish for, we might get it 'upgraded' into a self-propelled landing pad.

[Pesanur]

Careful what you wish for, we might get it 'upgraded' into a self-propelled landing pad.

Is how the X4 frigates looks.

[AshesOfHegemony]

I want a ship that is impervious to attack, having no weapons and is running at 600. Can carry a good size cargo, and is nimble.
Effectively I am invisible to the reds, as I find them to be pointless, annoying, and a nuisance to my game play.

In X3 I used the Marco, for all my running around. And had fleets of Demeter Miners. Probably my favourite ship.

The UFO in X3 will do for me, Quick, small, and imposable to catch.

Can I request a UFO please.

(just as awesome as it used to be please)

You mean massively overpowered, so ship choice once again becomes a no brainer? No thanks.
Other than that, i wouldn't object. My preferred choice would be the right one of the Hyperion in your pic though Id love to see more sleek ships in X4 in general (like the Hyperion), which dont require a huge landing pad on them just so you can dock at it with a little fighter / "lifeboat". Ships that dont have big chunky modules dominating the majority of the ships hull, with the "actual" hull just being beams and panels floating above the modules.

Careful what you wish for, we might get it 'upgraded' into a self-propelled landing pad.

Ide be willing to bet that egosoft have plans to add the Hyperion, it was just so popular. I hope its added in a similar way to its AP varient though (not the overpowered M7, the TP version). X4 could use a new type of ship, the Hyperion is the perfect chassis to make a new luxury M transport class and maybe add some new passenger/marine transport missions. Could expand the workforce mechanic and allow us to move around a lot of workforce to stations that need it. Would make for a great player ship - pretty fast, responsive with a nice cargo hold, but not great at combat - luxury (and disgustingly expensive, the teladi would make the cheap transport bus ;p ).

For some reason, Paranid combat ships of X4 use Split logic, speed and firepower over shields.

I thought that was weird too and I expect it was designed like that to fill the split gap untill we got their ships. Now that we are getting the Split are we going to see balance/bloat problems where ships have too many weapons?

Man. You guys sure are sassy. How is the variant I suggested of 6 turrets and 4-6 forward facing guns with 50 hull and 75k shields even remotely "overpowered?"

Even in X3R you couldn't just fly at 3 xenon I with the hyperion and expect to win, much less a wing of Ps. It was a strong ship, but not overpowered.

Not to mention the fact it would make a great step between M and L ship sizes. A sort of M sized Heavy Frigate? That's not OP at all and fits right in with the lore. Ship selection was part of what made the X series fun.

[radcapricorn]

Man. You guys sure are sassy. How is the variant I suggested of 6 turrets and 4-6 forward facing guns with 50 hull and 75k shields even remotely "overpowered?"
Even in X3R you couldn't just fly at 3 xenon I with the hyperion and expect to win, much less a wing of Ps. It was a strong ship, but not overpowered.

Because in X4 you can fly at 3 Xenon I in a Discoverer and expect to win

[LameFox]

Dunno why you quoted me in that, I'm not saying it's overpowered but that M ships with landing capacity are really ugly now as the mandatory pad takes up most of the hull size.

[Killjaeden]

Dunno why you quoted me in that, I'm not saying it's overpowered but that M ships with landing capacity are really ugly now as the mandatory pad takes up most of the hull size.

and you are god damn right... self propelled landing pad, or more accurately even - self propelled garage (because they even thought it necessary for the little ship to go INTO the other, barely bigger ship, for no reason)

Even in X3R you couldn't just fly at 3 xenon I with the hyperion and expect to win, much less a wing of Ps. It was a strong ship, but not overpowered

One thing you can absolutely be sure of as a developer is that the players will find the most OP ship, and most will use it. As propably 80% of players have picked it (or Springblossom) over anything else in X3TC/AP (just look for the polls about most preferred ship in X3 section) its a clear cut indication that it is "special snowflake ship" and overpowered - most users of course vehemently argued against it being "special snowflake ship" but thats only further proving it is. If AI ship always wins against other AI ship of same class, its also overpowered - which is the case.
Egosoft redesigned the class system, because it turned into confusing mess - and here we are again, expecting exceptions for "special snowflake ships" to be made once again.

[AquilaRossa]

I thought it was going to be the reward for getting all the data vaults. Once I found out the reward is ummm, I decided not to bother and just wait for it to be a wiki. I was like that with Fallout too. I was fairly thorough, but don't like reading terminals. I would clear a location and then watch the Oxhorn video to see if I missed something and what the terminals say.

As for the discussion about it being OP. It was a fun ship. Don't like it, don't fly it.

[grapedog]

and here we are again, expecting exceptions.

I just want my Split Mamba, easily my favorite ship of X3... and if we're talking about exceptions, I'd love to see the Split mamba in a mold similar to the Nemesis in this game, a corvette.

So there is my wish, a Split Mamba, as a corvette.