I seem to be the centre of attention!

[Scoob]

Hey all,

I just started a new v2.5 game and I'm noticing something that I did not in my prior game starts - I am the centre of attention! What do I mean by that? Well, every time a Xenon or Kha'ak ship shows up within radar range, irrespective of what they're doing, they appear to make a bee-line right for me. Literally, they pop onto radar range (map view) they turn towards me and enter travel drive, so I have mere moments to react and get away - I've little chance of fighting them.

So, there I am pottering along in a very basic fighter - no threat to anyone really - and I encounter a group of Xenon or Kha'ak or both, heavily engaged with local security forces or each other, they immediately break off and start chasing ME. What makes me so attractive all of a sudden? I have no cargo, I'm really very low threat to them, yet equally they treat me as Xenon / Kha'ak public enemy number one.

Now, I know prior X games often had this to a degree - before it was eventually patched out over time - however, this is the first time I've been such a target in X4, especially so early in the game.

Just wondering if other are noticing this at all?

Scoob.

[Tamina]

I am noticing this a lot in my pirate playthrough. Especially paired with the encounters mechanism I get bothered by them a lot during my boarding operations when all the attention goes to me.
This is also why a lot of Players think Xenon and Khaak are allied because they give up the fight as soon as the player shows up.

That said: No I don't like that at all (, also?). For me the X games is being part of a universe, not the center of it.

Also dogfights are kind of strange when everybody shoots at me and my other ships are just watching from the sideline.

*cough* Also the Encounters are waaaay to frequent *cough*

[Scoob]

I am finding it quite off-putting. All I'm doing at this very early game-stage is mapping out local stations - I've only visited three sectors so far! However, in every sector I end up being chased off eventually, though the Xenon and Kha'ak seem to lose interest if I move well out of range. 10-15km sprints aren't enough, they follow me quite doggedly at those distances, but if I open up 50km distance, they appear to give up.

It's a shame in other ways too, as every single time I find a lone SCA vessel invariably there are Xenon and Kha'ak too. My ship capture tally this game is only at TWO, just two in over two hours. Terrible! lol.

Scoob.

[photomankc]

I think I’m noting this as well. K’s coming barreling my way now just because I’m there. Makes more sense in my current save since I’m in an XL ship but definitely a change in behavior it seems.

[Ezarkal]

Hey all,

I just started a new v2.5 game and I'm noticing something that I did not in my prior game starts - I am the centre of attention! What do I mean by that? Well, every time a Xenon or Kha'ak ship shows up within radar range, irrespective of what they're doing, they appear to make a bee-line right for me. Literally, they pop onto radar range (map view) they turn towards me and enter travel drive, so I have mere moments to react and get away - I've little chance of fighting them.

So, there I am pottering along in a very basic fighter - no threat to anyone really - and I encounter a group of Xenon or Kha'ak or both, heavily engaged with local security forces or each other, they immediately break off and start chasing ME. What makes me so attractive all of a sudden? I have no cargo, I'm really very low threat to them, yet equally they treat me as Xenon / Kha'ak public enemy number one.

Now, I know prior X games often had this to a degree - before it was eventually patched out over time - however, this is the first time I've been such a target in X4, especially so early in the game.

Just wondering if other are noticing this at all?

Scoob.

That's what you get for being so devilishly good looking.

It does raise concerns indeed, though. Does this affect only you or all your assets?

I haven't played since the patch, so I'm curious to see how it will roll for me... but suddenly, I'm quite happy I've recently "acquired" 2 behemoths.

[Shuulo]

Because there is a mechanic that teleports ships into players vicinity to make game more lively. I hate this mechanic and turn it off by a mod, IMO its much better without it.

[radcapricorn]

For me, it has always been like that, starting with 2.0. There are sometimes lone Xenon ships that seem to be "on a mission" - flying in a straight line and not maneuvering or retaliating in any way. But those are rare. Most of XEN/KHK aggro on me nearly instantly. It can even be observed on a map, flying through a cluster of enemies, how their icons all start turning following my ship.

[SPiDER]

prior to 2.5 those XXXXX that were teleported into heretics end just beelined for the gate heading back to the nearest XXXXX station....but since the 2.5 update I'm getting the same as OP travel drive and beeline for PLAYER which would be ok if I could target them but most of the time because my Game is HUGE most of the time XXXXX gets teleported in and remain as an Unknown ship with the question mark which makes auto targeting with the hotkey Impossible needing to mouse click to target. so plus one from me too

[Scoob]

That's what you get for being so devilishly good looking.

*Sigh* I play computer games in an attempt to avoid all the attention...

Because there is a mechanic that teleports ships into players vicinity to make game more lively. I hate this mechanic and turn it off by a mod, IMO its much better without it.

What????? Well that's total BS. I'd heard about ships popping in when the player has flown waaaaay off-grid which I thought was a bit daft, but ships randomly teleporting to the player in an already heavily populated region? Really? *sigh* Looking at that mod now...


Scoob.

[Socratatus]

I have noticed this too even though I`ve not been on it that long. I was going to play 0n and test a little longer before posting about it, but it does indeed seem that the enemy AI has a special job to hunt the Player.

I hope they fix this quickly. Nothing more off putting than an AI acting like you are the centre of the world... You are technically, but it should never feel like that in a sandbox game.

[Ezarkal]

Because there is a mechanic that teleports ships into players vicinity to make game more lively. I hate this mechanic and turn it off by a mod, IMO its much better without it.

What????? Well that's total BS. I'd heard about ships popping in when the player has flown waaaaay off-grid which I thought was a bit daft, but ships randomly teleporting to the player in an already heavily populated region? Really? *sigh* Looking at that mod now...


Scoob.

The mechanic in question is only when you're way off grid, as you said. It should not happen in a populated area, unless 2.50 affected it somehow.

[Scoob]

The mechanic in question is only when you're way off grid, as you said. It should not happen in a populated area, unless 2.50 affected it somehow.

I'm really not sure what's going on currently. All I can say is that in my game Xenon and Kha'ak make a bee-line for me the moment I see them on radar. Whether they were teleported to just in front of me, I don't know. I do know that several times now the Xenon / Kha'ak have appeared to already be engaged with local forces, so I assume NOT teleported in just for me. However, they do still break off, ignoring ships that are actively attacking, and damaging, them to hunt me instead. Seems silly.

Perhaps it is this "teleport and attack player" mechanic that's broken...specifically the attack bit. If they teleported in for scenery, that's one thing, but directly hassling the player a short while into a new game isn't a good thing.

Scoob.

[photomankc]

Because there is a mechanic that teleports ships into players vicinity to make game more lively. I hate this mechanic and turn it off by a mod, IMO its much better without it.

This is not the same thing. Ships that are present already in sector will stop what they are doing and come straight at you if you enter radar range. I’ve had 4 Ks do it now where before I’d often have go chase them down. Not anymore.

I also now notice that the Ks are more likely to be traveling with a few Ps as escort making it a little harder to sit and pound them in line fighters or frigates.

[Falcrack]

The mechanic in question is only when you're way off grid, as you said. It should not happen in a populated area, unless 2.50 affected it somehow.

I'm really not sure what's going on currently. All I can say is that in my game Xenon and Kha'ak make a bee-line for me the moment I see them on radar. Whether they were teleported to just in front of me, I don't know. I do know that several times now the Xenon / Kha'ak have appeared to already be engaged with local forces, so I assume NOT teleported in just for me. However, they do still break off, ignoring ships that are actively attacking, and damaging, them to hunt me instead. Seems silly.

Perhaps it is this "teleport and attack player" mechanic that's broken...specifically the attack bit. If they teleported in for scenery, that's one thing, but directly hassling the player a short while into a new game isn't a good thing.

Scoob.

When you find them fighting in a way, way out of the place location, chances are very high that they were in fact teleported close to your location, just for you. This does not affect your other owned ships, just the ship you personally are in. This mechanic does not actually create the ships, they were still created using in game resources, just taken from somewhere else to where you are now.

[Nort The Fragrent]

Haven't you players read the Galactic warning signs ?

It’s Rutting season, they are just wanting to get friendly. They have been waiting a long time in space, and then you come along in your shinny new ship all young and innocent.

[Scoob]

When you find them fighting in a way, way out of the place location, chances are very high that they were in fact teleported close to your location, just for you. This does not affect your other owned ships, just the ship you personally are in. This mechanic does not actually create the ships, they were still created using in game resources, just taken from somewhere else to where you are now.

I get that, I've just not been to any way out of place locations - just Core sectors and I fly between stations. However, every single red blip on the map makes a bee line for me the moment it's revealed. It's starting to make the early-game not fun as I'm swamped by enemies I can only run away from.

It's actually quite comical. I mean, I encounter a large furball between Xenon/Kha'ak and local security forces. The bad guys see me and dash off - entering travel drive quite rapidly - leaving the local forces trying to chase them down and being VERY unsuccessful at it. I've literally led Xenon / Kha'ak all over the map, baiting them into a capital ship or other group of allies. Even then, their focus on me means they rarely seem to get hit and they don't break off to fight their attackers.

Scoob.

[radcapricorn]

It's actually quite comical. I mean, I encounter a large furball between Xenon/Kha'ak and local security forces. The bad guys see me and dash off - entering travel drive quite rapidly - leaving the local forces trying to chase them down and being VERY unsuccessful at it. I've literally led Xenon / Kha'ak all over the map, baiting them into a capital ship or other group of allies. Even then, their focus on me means they rarely seem to get hit and they don't break off to fight their attackers.

Heh, back around 2.21 I was on the lookout for a scout to capture, so I could sacrifice it for the plot. I found a Kestrel fighting a Queen's Guard, with a police ship nearby. The Kestrel died before I got to it, and of course the KHK turned to me (and I was in a starter Disco). So I was thinking maybe lure it closer to the police for added firepower. What did the police do? Of course, instead of fighting the KHK they scanned me and demanded I drop illegal items. On the plus side, I got loot from the KHK and captured a police ship to advance the plot

[Socratatus]

Since 2.50 .. New start.
1.I was just getting a feel for my ship, boosted out from the starter station not very far and was suddenly attacked by a lone ship (Xenon?). In a panic I dove back to the Station with the enemy in pursuit and had to dive inbetween struts to stop him hitting me, he was so fixated on me. Thankfully, the Station and defense ships blew him away. Jump to a new system was attacked, blown away. Didn`t really know what happened.

Restarted.

2. Went on a job had to jump to another system, on way to a far station was attacked again. Tried to get backup from a nearby ship, but the enemy just stuck me like glue and blew me away.

Restarted.

3. Took a little trip out- attacked again, ran away to base and let that kill him. Having to be real... careful now.

Right now 2.50 feels very player-centric and not in a good way. I don`t mind hard, i just don`t like it when it feels like all the bad NPC guys got a memo to just kill the only non-AI person in the whole game!

[radcapricorn]

Again, it was like that since at least 2.0 (when I started playing).

[Tamina]

Yes I also do not think there were any changes in that regard. It is purely the situation of the player starting to notice this pattern and then can't unsee it. Before you could easily dismiss is as
"oh the Pirate is focusing me because surely he wants some of my items or because my ship is the greatest threat or maybe because I am shooting him."