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[palm911]

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because this is a half finished game of a size of an indie title for AAA price?"

Simple, dont buy it if you dont like it. If you do, why are you complaining? Another thing, who sets prices for AAA games, you, me or the companies involved? One more thing, AAA games - this description is very subjective.

The game is finished, it only features some bugs like absolutely all games in the gaming industry and, as I mentioned earlier, it will be totally fixed.

Egosoft is, to this day, updating XTerran and Albion. If I'm not mistaken, the last update was late 2017, long after launching XRebirth.

That's just an example, I could quote much more here. You (and OP) have every right to suggest to Egosoft what you want and they will listen (as they always have) but there is a limit there, when the suggestion tries to become 'imposition', even disrespecting other points of view.

thank you!

[CaptainX4]

i have been trying to be nice, and now you are being rude.

a ridiculous statement. why is ridiculous, ? if you dont like it , thats fine, that does not make a comment ridicolous. and you need to understand that you should show respect of other people views even if in disagreement.

so since you are after this kind of attention and asked me to grow a pair , there you go :

" i did not called you a "cry baby" , because you are not pleased with your "investment" of 50 euro? , that is indeed ridiculous... QQing .... about an "investment" of 50 euro? next time wait for steam discount, (if you wait a few months it could be at a much affordable price. i just cant imagine what would you do if it was more than a 100 lol.

the paragraph above.. is that the tone you want me to do with you? , but dont worry i am not responding you anymore. a good advice, is respect other people views if you wish them to respect yours.

have a wonderful sunday.

well, if you think your smalltalk is less wrong then him you are wrong. belittling others opinion even if you do it with "smooth words" is the same and thats what you were doing but well, this is what i see on this forum all the time. maybe take your own advice and start respecting others

[CaptainX4]

Simple, dont buy it if you dont like it. If you do, why are you complaining?

are you serious? yeah, I guess you are... well, in more then acceptable cases adverts mislead people, intentionally, and that how big failures they are only comes many hours after purchase. Do you see the future? even reviews and gameplay videos are nothing to make a proper decision and its not accidental that there are NO DEMOS nowadays. it exactly to hide the sad reality. get over it, many people complain and they have every right to complain, it wont be you telling them if they are allowed to do so or not

[palm911]

i have been trying to be nice, and now you are being rude.

a ridiculous statement. why is ridiculous, ? if you dont like it , thats fine, that does not make a comment ridicolous. and you need to understand that you should show respect of other people views even if in disagreement.

so since you are after this kind of attention and asked me to grow a pair , there you go :

" i did not called you a "cry baby" , because you are not pleased with your "investment" of 50 euro? , that is indeed ridiculous... QQing .... about an "investment" of 50 euro? next time wait for steam discount, (if you wait a few months it could be at a much affordable price. i just cant imagine what would you do if it was more than a 100 lol.

the paragraph above.. is that the tone you want me to do with you? , but dont worry i am not responding you anymore. a good advice, is respect other people views if you wish them to respect yours.

have a wonderful sunday.

well, if you think your smalltalk is less wrong then him you are wrong. belittling others opinion even if you do it with "smooth words" is the same and thats what you were doing but well, this is what i see on this forum all the time. maybe take your own advice and start respecting others

no sir, please check how the conversation started, its a clear example (even what i just did) of being rude to others and should not happen, calling others opinion ridiculous was the start..., followed with the unnecessary "grow a pair" comment , which triggered my response. and was to be honest also completely unnecessary, but well deserved.

[palm911]

Simple, dont buy it if you dont like it. If you do, why are you complaining?

are you serious? yeah, I guess you are... well, in more then acceptable cases adverts mislead people, intentionally, and that how big failures they are only comes many hours after purchase. Do you see the future? even reviews and gameplay videos are nothing to make a proper decision and its not accidental that there are NO DEMOS nowadays. it exactly to hide the sad reality. get over it, many people complain and they have every right to complain, it wont be you telling them if they are allowed to do so or not

all games comes out with bugs , its now "industry standard", check Fallouot 76, ark, and conan exiles, just to name a few. compared to what you can see today, this game is in better shape than all of those games i just mentioned when they launched. from all the X games i have played this, is by far the most strongest launch (less buggy) and as mentioned over and over again, egosoft supports his games, and the community. just hang around and you will see.

[Chris0132]

If you can't convey what a game is like via video or review then, like, what are you supposed to do? Just wave a magic wand and make sure that it's subjectively good for everyone who plays it or else you're a terrible company or something?

You absolutely can get an understanding of what X4 is like if you read the many reviews or watch the large amount of footage available of people playing it since launch. If you aren't sure you want a game that's the sensible thing to do. You have more insight into what a game is like in 2018 than ever before if you're prepared to wait even a week after the launch date before throwing your money at it. You live in an age of easy access to long form videos of any game you can think of and as many reviews as you could ever want attached directly to the thing you use to buy the game.

[gschultz]

i stopped reading when he said : universe smaller than xrebirth.. lol NO!

what part of the word "foundations" you guys dont Get? you know what that means?

this game is a "foundation of what is coming" hence the name.. Geez!./

(yes there are bugs, but they are working to fix them, and knowing egosoft past , you can bet they will keep improving and improving on it. )

and now you come along to destroy any sort of conversation.

[gschultz]

No, why should the expansions be free? That is absolutely ridiculous. Egosoft is already making a niche game and X4 is an excellent game despite the bugs. I would rather support Egosoft so that they can continue to produce X games.

excellent besides the bugs? the bugs break the game!!! how can it be excellent besides the bugs. ive been saying that statement for a week. i just realized, sans any communication from the devs, that this is an absurd thing to say. the game is unplayable in any meaningful way.

[AllGamer]

Kudos to OP for a well written review.

See 90% of all the feedback we've seen are pretty much in the same notes in regards to all the weak, bad and buggy areas of the game.

And definitely not worth the $50 / $90 ("deluxe") for a game that was released in such an incomplete state that makes you feel like you are playing a proof of concept Alpha release.

[palm911]

No, why should the expansions be free? That is absolutely ridiculous. Egosoft is already making a niche game and X4 is an excellent game despite the bugs. I would rather support Egosoft so that they can continue to produce X games.

excellent besides the bugs? the bugs break the game!!! how can it be excellent besides the bugs. ive been saying that statement for a week. i just realized, sans any communication from the devs, that this is an absurd thing to say. the game is unplayable in any meaningful way.

what game breaking bug have you found? cause i have found plenty but none is game breaking. (game breaking bug is one that does not allow you play the game ) ... besides, care to tell me which game that has come recently had come out without bugs?

remember you are paying not only for what you got on release day, but also for all the support and improvements taht will come to this game as it did with previous Xgames, and sadly there is NOT a game without bugs this days.

if you want to play with the least amount of bugs give the game a year or two. or play monopoly ( ) my advice is never buy on release, cause you will FIND bugs. and that applies to EVERY single game and developer in the world. (Games today are much more complex than it used to be in the past, and Xgames are even more complex thatn the majority of games out there.

[palm911]

i stopped reading when he said : universe smaller than xrebirth.. lol NO!

what part of the word "foundations" you guys dont Get? you know what that means?

this game is a "foundation of what is coming" hence the name.. Geez!./

(yes there are bugs, but they are working to fix them, and knowing egosoft past , you can bet they will keep improving and improving on it. )

and now you come along to destroy any sort of conversation.

no i did not, in my opinion the review is not accurate or balanced, i stopped reading the review when he/she said the x4 universe was smaller than rebirth (which is not True)... remember it got a DLC or two (cant recall) that expanded it further, but even with expansion is still smaller than X4.

[CaptainX4]

but even with expansion is still smaller than X4.

thats absolutely untrue...

what game breaking bug have you found? cause i have found plenty but none is game breaking. (game breaking bug is one that does not allow you play the game ) ...

aside that the economy is dead, wars are not happening so there is simply nothing to play? aside the random teleportation bugs that shoots you out into the egde of the galaxy and it taxes hours to get back? aside the falling through the floor that cant be stopped if you dont yet have the teleporter? huhhh, there are plenty I could think of

besides, care to tell me which game that has come recently had come out without bugs?

so if all new games are buggy then just accept it erm... no thanks btw, i was playing subnautica from day one and havent found a single bug, starcraft II all came out in excellent shape, been playing them from day one... again, there are more than a handful I can mention and i dont play many games

If you can't convey what a game is like via video or review then, like, what are you supposed to do? Just wave a magic wand and make sure that it's subjectively good for everyone who plays it or else you're a terrible company or something?

You absolutely can get an understanding of what X4 is like if you read the many reviews or watch the large amount of footage available of people playing it since launch. If you aren't sure you want a game that's the sensible thing to do. You have more insight into what a game is like in 2018 than ever before if you're prepared to wait even a week after the launch date before throwing your money at it. You live in an age of easy access to long form videos of any game you can think of and as many reviews as you could ever want attached directly to the thing you use to buy the game.

aaaaaaaand here you are totally wrong. first of, its not about a game being subjectively good or bad but about being buggy half-done or not. you might match the personality and interest of those you are watching, i havent found a single reviewer or youtuber or anything that would show both pro-s and con-s of games. ark for example has avesome videos, gameplays and has horrible ones, its a beautiful game but its horribly executed. similarly to x4 its a half baked unfinished crap that is beautiful and addictive, there is no video or review that could show me if i will love it or hate it.

[gschultz]

No, why should the expansions be free? That is absolutely ridiculous. Egosoft is already making a niche game and X4 is an excellent game despite the bugs. I would rather support Egosoft so that they can continue to produce X games.

because this is a half finished game of a size of an indie title for AAA price? no matter how x it is, im not going to pay the price of 3x AAA games for one finally whole game

Not your review don't answer for the reviewer please!

kanes got a popular youtube lets play. i appreciate him being an avid fan like me. but im pretty sure he just trolled me along with 20 other ppl for asking for more communciation. some people dont want to be treated like proper customers.

[gschultz]

but even with expansion is still smaller than X4.

thats absolutely untrue...

what game breaking bug have you found? cause i have found plenty but none is game breaking. (game breaking bug is one that does not allow you play the game ) ...

aside that the economy is dead, wars are not happening so there is simply nothing to play? aside the random teleportation bugs that shoots you out into the egde of the galaxy and it taxes hours to get back? aside the falling through the floor that cant be stopped if you dont yet have the teleporter? huhhh, there are plenty I could think of

besides, care to tell me which game that has come recently had come out without bugs?

so if all new games are buggy then just accept it erm... no thanks btw, i was playing subnautica from day one and havent found a single bug, starcraft II all came out in excellent shape, been playing them from day one... again, there are more than a handful I can mention and i dont play many games

If you can't convey what a game is like via video or review then, like, what are you supposed to do? Just wave a magic wand and make sure that it's subjectively good for everyone who plays it or else you're a terrible company or something?

You absolutely can get an understanding of what X4 is like if you read the many reviews or watch the large amount of footage available of people playing it since launch. If you aren't sure you want a game that's the sensible thing to do. You have more insight into what a game is like in 2018 than ever before if you're prepared to wait even a week after the launch date before throwing your money at it. You live in an age of easy access to long form videos of any game you can think of and as many reviews as you could ever want attached directly to the thing you use to buy the game.

aaaaaaaand here you are totally wrong. first of, its not about a game being subjectively good or bad but about being buggy half-done or not. you might match the personality and interest of those you are watching, i havent found a single reviewer or youtuber or anything that would show both pro-s and con-s of games. ark for example has avesome videos, gameplays and has horrible ones, its a beautiful game but its horribly executed. similarly to x4 its a half baked unfinished crap that is beautiful and addictive, there is no video or review that could show me if i will love it or hate it.

i could be wrong but dont respond to this guy. pretty sure he just trolled me with an army on steam for asking for more communciation about game breaking issues. he doens't care about you. he has his youtube lets play and he will defend this game forevver, even against x vets like me that arent fools. i bought a game. where is it?

[euclid]

Please folks, keep this debate civilized. There is no need for insults or personal attacks and neither will be tolerated as they violate the forum rules and etiquette.

Cheers Euclid

[gschultz]

Please folks, keep this debate civilized. There is no need for insults or personal attacks and neither will be tolerated as they violate the forum rules and etiquette.

Cheers Euclid

im sorry. im upset with the fact that we are all attacking each other (counter attack or otherwise) and the devs aren't taking control of the community and feedings us central, clear analyis of the games functionality and where they see the game going in the coming weeks. when it comes down to it i paid money. yes, that doesn't mean i own them, but it means ive bought A and would like A in return. a working A. so when i or others ask for communication i think we shouldnt have to fend off people who at once admit there are problems, and ask us to be quiet.

in short. please ask the developers to rethink the communication strategy. not comments here and there on forums for people to find. centralized and clearly visible statements that let their paying customers, and loyal fans, have some clarity and comfort in knowing they will be treated fairly and informed about what IS wrong with the game and what is being done. not even a deadline. just some obligation and accountability. i understand you may have limited ability.

if i thought a private email with my complaints would be heard at this busy time id write that. and not try to yell amongst a crowd of people yelling. so thanks for your mod service.

edit: of course the problems i mean are in war and economy balance. the core.

thank you.

[lancing99]

Came in to applaud OP on a fair minded review. Don't agree with all of it but its definitely a fair assessment of the game.

[gschultz]

Came in to applaud OP on a fair minded review. Don't agree with all of it but its definitely a fair assessment of the game.

yes, id say he was articulate

[StoneLegionYT]

because this is a half finished game of a size of an indie title for AAA price? no matter how x it is, im not going to pay the price of 3x AAA games for one finally whole game

Not your review don't answer for the reviewer please!

kanes got a popular youtube lets play. i appreciate him being an avid fan like me. but im pretty sure he just trolled me along with 20 other ppl for asking for more communciation. some people dont want to be treated like proper customers.

This is how Egosoft works and it has worked well even oddly though many people dislike Rebirth I actually enjoyed it and the devs kept working on it. Clearly it was not X3 or X4 and never was going to be as the devs stated long before it came out.

The game is being frequently updated, the game is quite awesome and enjoyable and the devs will continue to work on it as well as release minimal 2 DLC's that are more like Expansions compared to what people consider DLC's in the industry now.

As things are going well now I also predict that X4 will last longer then XR as long people are interested and enjoy it over the years. Rebirth was not profitable sadly in the end as no one was willing to give it another chance so more DLC's would of gotten the development team nowhere.

X4 is great and I support their method as long their going to keep working on it. They been doing this forever and guess what once again it works in the end.

[gschultz]

Not your review don't answer for the reviewer please!

kanes got a popular youtube lets play. i appreciate him being an avid fan like me. but im pretty sure he just trolled me along with 20 other ppl for asking for more communciation. some people dont want to be treated like proper customers.

This is how Egosoft works and it has worked well even oddly though many people dislike Rebirth I actually enjoyed it and the devs kept working on it. Clearly it was not X3 or X4 and never was going to be as the devs stated long before it came out.

The game is being frequently updated, the game is quite awesome and enjoyable and the devs will continue to work on it as well as release minimal 2 DLC's that are more like Expansions compared to what people consider DLC's in the industry now.

As things are going well now I also predict that X4 will last longer then XR as long people are interested and enjoy it over the years. Rebirth was not profitable sadly in the end as no one was willing to give it another chance so more DLC's would of gotten the development team nowhere.

X4 is great and I support their method as long their going to keep working on it. They been doing this forever and guess what once again it works in the end.

a sober response so i appreciate it.

- even if egosoft works this way that means nothing. ive been a customer since x2 and bought everything...even xrebirth vr. this doesn't make me any more than others.....im just saying this you know that i know egosoft. saying that we know they release full priced games that are not finished or broken is really not an argument we should be repeating. i get it, but please it proves nothing really but that we are being normalized. they could have made it a beta. they could have been upfront that core mechanics were turned off or not working. ya see?

- the game is being updated, yes. 1.3 didnt fix the core issues. how about they at least ADMIT to the problems and say we have priority on this and that. not say "you want more war"? which implies that these are design decisions. if these are design decisions and not broken mechnics please save us time and just tell us.

- i bout all xrebirth and dlc and vr offering. what more can i do? how much more can i support? should i keep buying unfinished games without this being explicit and just be happy? you dont see the slipperly slope? lawyers are circling this industry, for good reason. im not saying egosoft deserves it. im saying they need to step up communication to their customers and not leave it up to all of us idiots trying to figure stuff out in the forums. instead of telling noobs about complex mechanics, we are fighting to understand what the heck we are playing.

also thanks for the videos. its always good to have some content to watch in downtime, about one of your favorite IPs. but lets hold them to standards - ethical standards. our standards.