[Guide] XR Capital Ships (Updated for XR 4.0)

Ezarkal · Post by **Ezarkal** » Fri, 20. Nov 15, 16:15

I don't know... Liquid-mining Onils are awesome, but the bulk ones have such a small hold that I don't think they'll ever be competitive. I stick to the Fedhelm to supply stations.

Simoom · Post by **Simoom** » Thu, 10. Mar 16, 03:22

Updated for XR 4.0. Filled in some missing ships (the two versions of the Onil and the hybrid versions of the Rahanas) and some missing stats.

Please note that I just started a new game for 4.0 so if there are new ships added for 4.0/HOL, then I haven't gotten to them yet. For now consider this a work-in-progress.

Snafu_X3 · Post by **Snafu_X3** » Fri, 11. Mar 16, 21:57

Tks for the update Simoom!

BTW it may be worth noting that the Rahanas multi-role variants have compartmentalised storage; I need to check if this applies to Styrvok as well. All OL capship freighters still have true 'universal' storage along with the Tit & Phoenix Marauder

The only HoL/v4 ship additions are some small/medium types BTW, unless you count the UFO & Zepp

Post by **Sparky Sparkycorp** » Sat, 12. Mar 16, 01:42

Simoom wrote: [*]Arawn:
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It can beat most destroyer in a 1v1 scenario due to the sheer size of its shields, but its firepower leaves a lot to be desired especially considering its high cost.
Total DPS: 166320
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Weapons:
HIT/MA Turret (Argon) x34

Plasma/MA Turret (Argon) x14

Hailstorm Turret x16

V Launcher x5

Astrobee Launcher x1

I didn't do a detailed check of the ships but from a quick scan down the stats, the the Arawn jumped out. It has 56 HIT/MA and 22 Plasma/MA, for a total DPS of ~236k at close range.

Simoom wrote: [*]IHC Cannon
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Range 8000 m, Speed 500 m/s, DPS 91930.2

It's hard to be sure due to display issues and the possibility of changes to the game since the above was written but from discussing weapon damage with w.evans in the past, I think the DPS value above may be too high. I would be nice if the IHC was more powerful that is tabulated on the wiki though.

Snafu_X3 wrote: BTW it may be worth noting that the Rahanas multi-role variants have compartmentalised storage; I need to check if this applies to Styrvok as well. All OL capship freighters still have true 'universal' storage along with the Tit & Phoenix Marauder

My understanding is that the only multi-storage trade ships that have segregated cargo volumes are the Rahanas C+E, Rahanas B+L, and the Scaldis.

GCU Grey Area · Post by **GCU Grey Area** » Sat, 12. Mar 16, 02:11

Sparky Sparkycorp wrote:
Snafu_X3 wrote: BTW it may be worth noting that the Rahanas multi-role variants have compartmentalised storage; I need to check if this applies to Styrvok as well. All OL capship freighters still have true 'universal' storage along with the Tit & Phoenix Marauder
My understanding is that the only multi-storage trade ships that have segregated cargo volumes are the Rahanas C+E, Rahanas B+L, and the Scaldis.

Styrvok C+E variant has a segregated hold with a capacity of 63k Energy & 52k Container. It was my first ship in my current game, started in 4.0 (Aspiring Merchants get one free). Think the same is true of the B+L variant, though don't have one in my current game & the DV shipyard is out of scanning arrays, so can't quickly buy one to check it's stats.

Simoom · Post by **Simoom** » Sat, 12. Mar 16, 16:17

Sparky Sparkycorp wrote: I didn't do a detailed check of the ships but from a quick scan down the stats, the the Arawn jumped out. It has 56 HIT/MA and 22 Plasma/MA, for a total DPS of ~236k at close range.

Thanks for catching that.

Looks like the Arawn may have been buffed during one of the game versions I missed out on; I just double-checked it in-game and looks like the stats indeed changed. I have corrected its description in the guide.

Its DPS is now close to the Olmekrom, but nearly a third of it still comes from the Hailstorm turrets. Probably doesn't matter for OOZ combat, but IZ performance will still be lacking compared to Plasma Jet L/R-equipped destroyers.

Sparky Sparkycorp wrote: It's hard to be sure due to display issues and the possibility of changes to the game since the above was written but from discussing weapon damage with w.evans in the past, I think the DPS value above may be too high. I would be nice if the IHC was more powerful that is tabulated on the wiki though.

Yeah I was gonna have someone look into the game codes for me (I am not sure how to do that). There was a discrepency between the value listed by the in-game encyclopedia and the actual stat displayed when examining the ship (which shows around 50K DPS).

zackhron · Post by **zackhron** » Wed, 16. Mar 16, 18:12

hisazul wrote:Completely disagree about arawn doing poor damage. Frankly arawn can outdamage olmekron fairly easy. As you said "dps" is a garbage stat that means absolutely ****** nothing unless it's static pure math oos calculations back in good old AP days(no idea how ooz mechanics work in Rebirth). We aren't plaing math formula simulator... hell event that would still have some randomness to it, even shooting walls with infinite ammo could produce some unexpected results.

Once my arawn escort caught up with me peeling engines off a fulmekron, while the bugger was boosting over us. his v crusher volley completely leveled almost all surface elements on top of fulmekron. Some parts on the nose were blown even below, heh. Fulmekron may have absurd damage output and very good turret placement but it lacks any aoe capabilities which basically leaves all the surface elements intact.

Say what you will about v crushers but capitals with infinite ammo and a boat load of missile launcher are pretty damn deadly to anything slow or large.

Arawn are completely garbage, I tried Arawn vs Olmekron 1vs1. He only managed to drop Olmekron shield to 0% and only 10% of its hull before he got wreck. I already destroy the engines, all of his drones and some of the turrets before bring him in. Waste of money, really. That gigantic shield doesn't help at all to balance with it's poor damage. Finally I just destroy Olmekron weapons one by one and bring my taranis to helps bring down the hull and board it. At least I got a replacement to that garbage tin can. By the way, this is on 4.0. Maybe it was better in earlier version, I don't know.

Sorry for my english, not my native languange

p.s Sorry for the useless bump

Phipsz · Post by **Phipsz** » Sun, 20. Mar 16, 17:59

Great Guide! But a few things to mention:

Teladi Phoenix comes in two variants: the Pirate version you listed and another "official" version, with a bit more hull (900k I think) and 3 Plasma/MA and 3 Plasma/JET LR weapons instead of 6 Plasma/JET LR. it also has no universal cargo but only fuel :/
Rahanas and Styrvok with two Cargo types have split cargo similar to Scaldis instead of having a real hybrid cargo space. Hermod and Lepton have a hybrid cargo though, making the Hermod a better option than Rahanas and Styrvok imho in terms of cargospace
Xenon I only has the universal cargo thanks to XenonHunt, otherwise only 10k fuel, like most fight-ships.

Simoom · Post by **Simoom** » Sun, 20. Mar 16, 21:17

zackhron wrote:
hisazul wrote:Completely disagree about arawn doing poor damage. Frankly arawn can outdamage olmekron fairly easy. As you said "dps" is a garbage stat that means absolutely ****** nothing unless it's static pure math oos calculations back in good old AP days(no idea how ooz mechanics work in Rebirth). We aren't plaing math formula simulator... hell event that would still have some randomness to it, even shooting walls with infinite ammo could produce some unexpected results.

Once my arawn escort caught up with me peeling engines off a fulmekron, while the bugger was boosting over us. his v crusher volley completely leveled almost all surface elements on top of fulmekron. Some parts on the nose were blown even below, heh. Fulmekron may have absurd damage output and very good turret placement but it lacks any aoe capabilities which basically leaves all the surface elements intact.

Say what you will about v crushers but capitals with infinite ammo and a boat load of missile launcher are pretty damn deadly to anything slow or large.

Arawn are completely garbage, I tried Arawn vs Olmekron 1vs1. He only managed to drop Olmekron shield to 0% and only 10% of its hull before he got wreck. I already destroy the engines, all of his drones and some of the turrets before bring him in. Waste of money, really. That gigantic shield doesn't help at all to balance with it's poor damage. Finally I just destroy Olmekron weapons one by one and bring my taranis to helps bring down the hull and board it. At least I got a replacement to that garbage tin can. By the way, this is on 4.0. Maybe it was better in earlier version, I don't know.

Sorry for my english, not my native languange

p.s Sorry for the useless bump

I agree, the Arawn is a very poor investment, especially if you intend to use it for capital VS capital combat. It may have giant shields, but its effective HP is the same as the Fulmekron, except the latter does over 2 times effective damage (since the Arawn can't use any of its Hailstorm turrets vs another capital ship, effectively shaving off nearly a third of its DPS).

The Plasma/MA turrets are also far inferior to Plasma/Jet; its projectiles are slow enough to miss enemy capitals unless you disable the engines, and it doesn't help at all against fighters (I actually see Plasma/Jet hit fighters very often due to its fast projectile speed). All in all the Arawn just isn't a true battleship relative to everything else.

Phipsz wrote:Great Guide! But a few things to mention:
Teladi Phoenix comes in two variants: the Pirate version you listed and another "official" version, with a bit more hull (900k I think) and 3 Plasma/MA and 3 Plasma/JET LR weapons instead of 6 Plasma/JET LR. it also has no universal cargo but only fuel :/

Rahanas and Styrvok with two Cargo types have split cargo similar to Scaldis instead of having a real hybrid cargo space. Hermod and Lepton have a hybrid cargo though, making the Hermod a better option than Rahanas and Styrvok imho in terms of cargospace

Xenon I only has the universal cargo thanks to XenonHunt, otherwise only 10k fuel, like most fight-ships.

Thanks so much for the tips!

Regarding the "official" version of the Phoenix.... are you sure you are not talking about the Condor?

As for the split cargo types, yeah I had no way to obtain the cargo bay data... I think they are compiling them for the XR Wiki now, though. I'll get the info from there and update my guide accordingly.

Corrected cargo bay info for the Xenon I.

Phipsz · Post by **Phipsz** » Mon, 21. Mar 16, 00:20

Simoom wrote: Regarding the "official" version of the Phoenix.... are you sure you are not talking about the Condor?

definitely sure! Take a look at the ships for sale at the xl-trader at the Overwatch, only on Phoenix and one Condor, and the Phoenix has aforementioned flaws. Wasn't believing my eyes after I ordered a Phoenix at the Overwatch and realised I kind of wasted my money on a destroyer I did not want instead of a fast trade ship.

I hope they do provide the correct storage information in the encyclopedia somewhow. I always have to look at existing ships to see how the storage is actually split, quite nasty after some time

Simoom · Post by **Simoom** » Mon, 21. Mar 16, 00:22

Phipsz wrote:
Simoom wrote: Regarding the "official" version of the Phoenix.... are you sure you are not talking about the Condor?
definitely sure! Take a look at the ships for sale at the xl-trader at the Overwatch, only on Phoenix and one Condor, and the Phoenix has aforementioned flaws. Wasn't believing my eyes after I ordered a Phoenix at the Overwatch and realised I kind of wasted my money on a destroyer I did not want instead of a fast trade ship.

I hope they do provide the correct storage information in the encyclopedia somewhow. I always have to look at existing ships to see how the storage is actually split, quite nasty after some time

I'll go take a look when I get a chance (haven't made it out to TO since starting my new save for HoL). The stats I had were from back when TO just came out, they may have changed some things since then.

So the official version of the Phoenix has the same armament as the Condor... are there any differences between them, then? Last I checked their drone capacity is the same.

Snafu_X3 · Post by **Snafu_X3** » Mon, 21. Mar 16, 00:41

Simoom wrote:Regarding the "official" version of the Phoenix.... are you sure you are not talking about the Condor?

See the Wiki for details.. or simply ask TO Overwatch to build you a ship..

See also my http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 13#4596713 in this thread..

Simoom · Post by **Simoom** » Mon, 21. Mar 16, 00:51

Snafu_X3 wrote:
Simoom wrote:Regarding the "official" version of the Phoenix.... are you sure you are not talking about the Condor?
See the Wiki for details.. or simply ask TO Overwatch to build you a ship..

See also my http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 13#4596713 in this thread..

I have looked at the Wiki (was trying to update it actually, but I think a moderator was updating it at the same time so my changes kept getting erased, ended up leaving it alone).

The problem with the way the wiki lists its ships right now is it doesn't contain any armament information, only statistical value estimates (like DPS, cost per DPS, etc.).

Like I said I'll check the TO shipyard when I make it out there... I haven't gone back there in my new game yet.

Snafu_X3 · Post by **Snafu_X3** » Mon, 21. Mar 16, 01:58

Simoom wrote: I think a moderator was updating it at the same time so my changes kept getting erased, ended up leaving it alone).

Good practise!
Your input will be greatly valued once it gets there

Please don't forget to sign off any changes!

Simoom · Post by **Simoom** » Wed, 23. Mar 16, 22:33

Alright! Finally got around to updating the guide.

The list of changes is more extensive this time.

Combat Ships:

Added missile turrets to list of capital ship weaponry (I was unable to obtain the stats from them in-game, so I took them from the Wiki).
All capital ships with missile turrets have their DPS values updated to include missile damage.
Xenon K & I drone bays removed (I think they were added by the Xenon Hunt Mod, which I have installed - my bad!)
Phoenix Marauder, Phoenix, and Condor stats updated (they were old stats from v3.0; made it to FO finally and confirmed the new stats of each ship. Marauder Phoenix's top speed is insane!)

Freighters:

All cargo bay capacity had the Fuel storage deducted from the total.
All ships capable of carrying multiple ware types are now properly labeled with Hybrid or Compartmentalized storage. In the case of latter, the size of each compartment is also specified.

Snafu_X3 wrote:
Simoom wrote: I think a moderator was updating it at the same time so my changes kept getting erased, ended up leaving it alone).
Good practise!
Your input will be greatly valued once it gets there Please don't forget to sign off any changes!

Hey, just curious... should we leave the Wiki alone for now? At least the ship stats pages? The notice seems to imply that the moderators are currently working on auto-generating ship pages from game data. I don't want to mess things up if that's what you guys are working on.

Post by **Sparky Sparkycorp** » Wed, 23. Mar 16, 23:25

Solnetcev is building templates that auto-populate the wiki with info from the game files. At the moment, NPC and player-ownable station pages are available and being iterated on and in due course, it will progress to other encyclopedia items like ships and wares.

The automated aspect aims to present game file info, and related things like derrived statistics. The warning is because we've not ironed out the details for adding user info in a way that ensures it's safety should the templates (and automated pages) be updated.

In the short-term, feedback on the layout of station pages (and ships etc later as those appear) would be welcome. Much as there are for ships today, comparator tables for stations are being produced too but I don't think the warning mentions that explicitly at the moment.