Whole month with X-Rebirth and.....what about multiprocessor's engine for X3:TC-AP?

paladin777888 · Post by **paladin777888** » Tue, 17. Dec 13, 23:21

but may be this question not for EGOSOFT already?
I look that not all good inside "EGOSOFT's kingdom" There is no common opinion.X4 and X-Rebirth?. And you made yours choice and puted power to it and made step forvard
This is not tactical ,this is strategical mistake! ( without difference x4 or X-Rebirth now )
1Firs of all i think you almost not sleep now

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2. Please feel deep deep difference between these conceptions:
a)EGOSOFT to submit for consideration new project "NAME"
b)EGOSOFT to submit for consideration new "engine" for yours and our projects.......
3.I don't like X-Rebirth, but please don't misunderstand me!
I just like X3! There are a lot of people like me! Are you forgot about us?
I play X3:TC.AP+XRM+Monster Ships Pack 1.6 till now!There is no anithing better on planet at present.!!!
And at the end of end I asks again :What about multiprocessor's engine for X3:TC-AP? Please:-no new ships,no new missions , nothing new.Don't touch to "sacred shrine ".

The same old X3:TC.AP but on multiprocessor's engine!!! OK,ok Just put this at Steam and I and others will buy it!!!
4.If really,you had to put it "YESTERDAY" .This is yours the greatest mistake . Multiprocessor's engine for X3:TC-AP is step forvard ! X-rebirth is step to side and few back! X-Rebirth is not pureblooded child of EGOSOFT.It is result of sin.

.X-Rebirth is a bastard! Everybody see genome of Microsoft("Freelancer":lol: and possibility normaly use Microsoft's gamepad only(November).I dont know about now !I don't touch to X-Rebirth from 20 of November

Sorry it is not my Universe! ..........and, EGOSOFT's guys(team), what about my Univers(X3)? I'm want have the multiprocessor's engine as well as a guys from Univers of X-Rebirth.And I'm want have it YESTERDAY and I'm redy give you money for it YESTERDAY also !
It is very, very,very unfairly

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PLEASE be a "PEOPLE"
best regards!

xxx_L.E.O.P.A.R.D_xxx · Post by **xxx_L.E.O.P.A.R.D_xxx** » Wed, 18. Dec 13, 07:52

I already like long said that current iksy transferred to multithreading. But no, it was necessary to make the console garbage!
Move X3 multithreading, and all! No longer needed. What you now have released only alienated fans.
Good luck to you in the invention ...

Zaitsev · Post by **Zaitsev** » Wed, 18. Dec 13, 13:17

Multi-core support for X3TC will require a complete rewrite of the game engine, so unless you can fork out a few million euro for the job and wait a year or two it's not going to happen.

Post by **Geek** » Wed, 18. Dec 13, 13:36

It would probably be easier to use the XR engine and then put back X3 content.

imperium3 · Post by **imperium3** » Wed, 18. Dec 13, 14:09

Geek wrote:It would probably be easier to use the XR engine and then put back X3 content.

Depends how flexible that engine is though. There are probably a few things from X3 that would be difficult or impossible to do with the XR engine. I imagine that it is at least a lot more flexible than the old groaning house of cards was.

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if somebody ambitious does an X3 Callback mod for XR, once the game is fully stable. Which would be the game we were hoping XR to be... I suppose it depends on whether certain features (particularly the one ship thing!) can actually be modded.

paladin777888 · Post by **paladin777888** » Wed, 18. Dec 13, 14:55

Guys , I'm very hope that EGOSOFT will come to meet us ,because it more correctly give posibility use reserves of X3:TC-AP(200 closed sectors under usual, ect.)and have time for X4, than give at soon X4 as well "wet"as X-rebirth! And guys, made completely new engine( from one side) and give patch or addon for distribution of X3:TC-AP between cores (from other side)are two big differences!

. I hope ,I right....if not....

. It is necessary to wait answer of EGOSOFT.

Zaitsev · Post by **Zaitsev** » Wed, 18. Dec 13, 16:00

paladin777888 wrote:And guys, made completely new engine( from one side) and give patch or addon for distribution of X3:TC-AP between cores (from other side)are two big differences!

You can hope all you want, but the code has to be specifically written to support more than one core from the start. Therefore it is simply impossible to "patch" multicore support into a game, and you basically have to rewrite the game engine with multiple cores in mind for it to work properly.

paladin777888 · Post by **paladin777888** » Wed, 18. Dec 13, 16:33

Yes may be you right. But All ships ,sripts and other is it possible don't touch ? IF yes ,it is need to do such engine! because a lot of Mods use it . Is there no possibility for X3Universe transfering to multycore?I can't believe to it.
Egosoft will have additional money for X4 because it is very important now!
look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhsgiliheP0
P.S. If really I don't wait the X4 at soon, otherwise it will a second abortion as well, as the X-Rebirth.It is my own stress because I'm the fan of EGOSOFT's team! really

TTD · Post by **TTD** » Thu, 19. Dec 13, 00:10

Multi-thread for X 3 and previous incarnations has often been discussed on the forums.
Some of us were hoping that Rebirth would be just that.

But very early on in the hype for Rebirth,over the past year or so, it was often said that the X-3 format of gameplay would not be present in Rebirth.
That Rebirth is not X4..

I too hope that somehow,when all the bugs are ironed out, someone will be able to use it to make an X-trilogy style game out of it...but I doubt if it will happen next year... if at all.

However,there has been some good work from the modders for the trilogy.

This one in particular looks promising...
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 45#4300745

XTC is good too, along with a few others.

And if you want to play all the plots from TC through to AP,without restarting a fresh game to move from TC to AP, then check my sig.
I have just recently done the whole plot campaigns .
Just starting on the Corporation plots,which were from TC.

Zaitsev · Post by **Zaitsev** » Thu, 19. Dec 13, 00:12

paladin777888 wrote:Yes may be you right. But All ships ,sripts and other is it possible don't touch ? IF yes ,it is need to do such engine! because a lot of Mods use it . Is there no possibility for X3Universe transfering to multycore?I can't believe to it.
Egosoft will have additional money for X4 because it is very important now!
look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhsgiliheP0
P.S. If really I don't wait the X4 at soon, otherwise it will a second abortion as well, as the X-Rebirth.It is my own stress because I'm the fan of EGOSOFT's team! really

Assuming I get this right; No, a new engine probably wouldn't affect scripts, ships and other mods, but take that with a grain of salt.

And I'm 99.9999 percent sure that a new engine will not happen, because they would have to rip apart what they have and do it all over again. That's over ten years of work, modifications and patching, and they would have to go through every single thing to make sure it would support multiple cores.

You can compare it to demolishing a house and build a new one in its place. It takes a lot of time and a lot of money, and in Egosoft's case it would probably be economical suicide to attempt such a thing. So, do you want a new X3 engine so bad you would risk Egosoft going bankrupt and take the whole X-universe with them down the drain?

Also, Egosoft have stated on multiple occations that they have no plans for an X4. Not that it will never happen, but I think you have a better chance of turning lead into gold in your own kitchen.

paladin777888 · Post by **paladin777888** » Thu, 19. Dec 13, 09:33

Dear Zaitsev,big thanks for deep and wide explanation.It is very hard for my heart

.But I'm prefer truth!!! But your words are "cover of coffin" for multycore X3UNIVERSE!........hm... X3 is for "elite",it is not for lazy!,it is for guy which can read big manual. X-Rebirth is for "all other"! Ok "all other" are more than "elite". Ok will see, but my opinion it is the "FATAL ERROR.." of Egosoft. There was way like ""MASS EFFECT 1,2.3" before.I mean new graphic and effects but the same game!!! Egosoft made jump to side!!! BioWare is a big team,have a few projects but make step by step !! Egosoft more "tough" guys as I look now! They can give to themself the possibility to jump aside!!!......"MAMA MEA"...Will see.......

KayEss · Post by **KayEss** » Fri, 20. Dec 13, 07:33

I've converted several non-threaded code bases to be thread safe over the past twenty years, and structurally this game is almost perfectly designed for at least some multi-core benefits.

I think most players would get a great benefit from just splitting IS and OOS between threads and this shouldn't be too technically challenging to implement. Multiple OOS threads would also help, and again, would be pretty simple to accomplish.

The place it does become complex is trying to get IS working across multiple threads. How to tackle that would be dependant on an analysis of profiling data for what is actually taking up CPU time -- we could speculate, but only Egosoft would know for sure.