"Gamestar" Interview with Bernd

Llothlian · Post by **Llothlian** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 16:22

Then it's a good job he's never said that.

yoyolll · Post by **yoyolll** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 16:26

Llothlian wrote:Then it's a good job he's never said that.

No, but it seems that's what all your arguments eventually devolved into.

jambock1978 · Post by **jambock1978** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 16:49

I am impressed in how much people here thinks that lies and fake promises are normal things, that no one have to take it seriously, and goes on... ok, it happens, but what you are saying is that it's "normal" and ever right to do it? Sorry guys, you can say that they do it in business, but you can't make me accept that i have to think that it isn't a problem, that they're right to lie to me or to anyone to save their heads... Sorry guys wrong is wrong doesn't matter how much sugar you put in it.

Llothlian · Post by **Llothlian** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 16:51

Except there are no lies being told here...

pr0nflakes · Post by **pr0nflakes** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 17:28

They put forward a spokesperson to foster a emotional respose from fans.
It's done to put a face to an otherwise faceless company, problem is when it backfires you get a shit storm targeted at this person.

We are supposed to be good little consumers and tow the line we're fed, so suck it up ya'll! After all look at his face, he wont lead you up the garden path again . Will he?

Cyb3rNinja · Post by **Cyb3rNinja** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 17:35

yoyolll wrote:Saying Bernd can't admit the game is broken because then ES will be obligated to give refunds is an unbelievable argument. Ethically that's exactly what he should do, because the game IS broken. They sold people a broken game and now some are saying he shouldn't admit it otherwise they will have to give refunds? Do we live on different planets? Of course they should give refunds! This is the only decent thing to do at this point. Ideally, they should not have sold the game in that state, but since they've already done that the right thing to do would be to admit it and allow refunds for those who want it.

Business or not, what's going on is dishonest. They have taken advantage of people and are now avoiding responsibility.

I'm sorry but this made me laugh. I know the game is crap and i tried to get a refund and failed but stating that a CEO should decide on what is "ethical"...
This will probably never happen. Bernd tried to save his a** and his company so what? I will just stop buying their games.

vargata · Post by **vargata** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 18:03

Cyb3rNinja wrote:
yoyolll wrote:Saying Bernd can't admit the game is broken because then ES will be obligated to give refunds is an unbelievable argument. Ethically that's exactly what he should do, because the game IS broken. They sold people a broken game and now some are saying he shouldn't admit it otherwise they will have to give refunds? Do we live on different planets? Of course they should give refunds! This is the only decent thing to do at this point. Ideally, they should not have sold the game in that state, but since they've already done that the right thing to do would be to admit it and allow refunds for those who want it.

Business or not, what's going on is dishonest. They have taken advantage of people and are now avoiding responsibility.
I'm sorry but this made me laugh. I know the game is crap and i tried to get a refund and failed but stating that a CEO should decide on what is "ethical"...
This will probably never happen. Bernd tried to save his a** and his company so what? I will just stop buying their games.

yes, this thinking makes me sick. saving a company over honour.

Llothlian · Post by **Llothlian** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 18:16

Sometimes you've just got to feed your kids.

yoyolll · Post by **yoyolll** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 18:25

Llothlian wrote:Sometimes you've just got to feed your kids.

You get more and more creative with every post you know that?

Noimageavaiable · Post by **Noimageavaiable** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 18:26

yoyolll wrote:
Llothlian wrote:Sometimes you've just got to feed your kids.
You get more and more creative with every post you know that?

Well, you can only rationalize so much before you run out of excuses

dzhedzho · Post by **dzhedzho** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 18:58

Llothlian wrote:Sometimes you've just got to feed your kids.

Question is for how long...

Llothlian · Post by **Llothlian** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 19:03

dzhedzho wrote:
Llothlian wrote:Sometimes you've just got to feed your kids.
Question is for how long...

I am not saying Egosoft are in a good position, quite opposite the in fact. They are in an understandable one though.

RWolf · Post by **RWolf** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 19:11

Seems like many of you, especially those defending the interview, are focusing only on the "bugs" side of things. There is so much more in that interview and whats wrong with XR and Bernd himself that has nothing to do with bugs and a non working game.

Dont forget Bernd did say they had a demo ready but CHOSE not to release it. Theres no real way to defend some of the design choices and game mechanics that make up the game...the worst part many of you should be upset about is his insistence that its not him or egosoft, but US thats the problem.

Remember he also blamed the users for having "unbalanced PCs" (referring to users with high end hardware/high performing hardware). He blames us for taking issue with the mini games and simplification of the game, even the interface and focus on controller.

If you are reading him correctly, hes blaming YOU. Its OUR fault, not his and everything "he" did was "the right choice". There is no humility at all. You can still be humble and vague without pointing the finger at the user and admitting to releasing a broken product.

Forget the bugs, talk about the rest of the meat in that interview for once.

corbosman · Post by **corbosman** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 19:15

RWolf wrote:Seems like many of you, especially those defending the interview, are focusing only on the "bugs" side of things. There is so much more in that interview and whats wrong with XR and Bernd himself that has nothing to do with bugs and a non working game.

Dont forget Bernd did say they had a demo ready but CHOSE not to release it. Theres no real way to defend some of the design choices and game mechanics that make up the game...the worst part many of you should be upset about is his insistence that its not him or egosoft, but US thats the problem.

Remember he also blamed the users for having "unbalanced PCs" (referring to users with high end hardware/high performing hardware). He blames us for taking issue with the mini games and simplification of the game, even the interface and focus on controller.

If you are reading him correctly, hes blaming YOU. Its OUR fault, not his and everything "he" did was "the right choice". There is no humility at all. You can still be humble and vague without pointing the finger at the user and admitting to releasing a broken product.

Forget the bugs, talk about the rest of the meat in that interview for once.

Thats exactly the problem ive got with the interview. He's blaming the users for having unrealistic expectations like a working economy.

It just boggles the mind.

Llothlian · Post by **Llothlian** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 19:17

You are of course aware Egosoft have never released a game with a working economy.

corbosman · Post by **corbosman** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 20:21

You'd think they'd learn

dzhedzho · Post by **dzhedzho** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 20:55

Llothlian wrote:You are of course aware Egosoft have never released a game with a working economy.

The problem in XR however is, that if the economy is not working, you cannot build new ships or stations. Also it completely crumbles due lack of drone production and jump fuel production.

While the other games never had 'real economy', the design took care of some problems. F.Ex. NPC SPPs produced cells out of nothing, and there were resource sinks. If the economy completely bogged down the player could fix it by building stations and buying traders. In fact that was big part of the game.

Slashman · Post by **Slashman** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 21:00

Llothlian wrote:You are of course aware Egosoft have never released a game with a working economy.

You are aware that this is exactly what they said would be delivered with Rebirth.

In any event, after reading the interview and seeing this discussion, I have to wonder why exactly they tried to make this type of game.

They knew it wasn't what their core fans wanted. And they felt that a more arcade/action game would appeal to the wider(and somewhat mythical) casual gamer audience.

It may have been smarter to make a straight up space shooter with very light trading elements. Forget the station building, management of fleets and mining aspects. They could then use the money from that to make a more complex game(if they ever really want to do that again).

The only problem with this approach is that if they made that type of game, then story and characters would have to be compelling. It's obvious that they are incapable of doing that from their efforts in Rebirth.

In the end, they are a studio who is able to do one type of game well and are kind of deluding themselves that they could produce a slick, story-driven action fest to grab the attention of the masses.

The worst part of this is that IMO, they still don't understand what the problem with their old games were as far as getting more people interested in them and past the learning curve.

Llothlian · Post by **Llothlian** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 21:04

Slashman wrote:
Llothlian wrote:You are of course aware Egosoft have never released a game with a working economy.
You are aware that this is exactly what they said would be delivered with Rebirth.

They came fairly close to succeeding. The scripting and balance of base materials is all that has stopped it working, at least in Albion. While it's game breaking at the moment, I'm sure we'll see it working soon, especially as a mod already has 90% of it fixed.

Pharoah · Post by **Pharoah** » Fri, 6. Dec 13, 21:51

Llothlian wrote:
Slashman wrote:
Llothlian wrote:You are of course aware Egosoft have never released a game with a working economy.
You are aware that this is exactly what they said would be delivered with Rebirth.
They came fairly close to succeeding. The scripting and balance of base materials is all that has stopped it working, at least in Albion. While it's game breaking at the moment, I'm sure we'll see it working soon, especially as a mod already has 90% of it fixed.

"It's ok the game is broken, mods will fix it"

Lose this attitude toward it. There is NOTHING beneficial going to come from this kind of mentality.

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"Gamestar" Interview with Bernd