"Gamestar" Interview with Bernd

Usenko · Post by **Usenko** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:15

Trouble is, for a lot of us old timers, there's little difference between the official persona and the private persona. And accusing him of being a liar and/or deliberately releasing a bad game for personal gain will upset people with that kind of connection, and quite reasonably too.

Alee Enn · Post by **Alee Enn** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:20

Usenko wrote:Trouble is, for a lot of us old timers, there's little difference between the official persona and the private persona. And accusing him of being a liar and/or deliberately releasing a bad game for personal gain will upset people with that kind of connection, and quite reasonably too.

And unless you know Bernd personally or have absolute undeniable proof (which you don't), calling Bernd a liar etc is unacceptable.

(just to clarify, I'm not implying Usenko or anyone is or has done such a thing.)

Noimageavaiable · Post by **Noimageavaiable** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:25

Alien Tech Inc. wrote:
Usenko wrote:Trouble is, for a lot of us old timers, there's little difference between the official persona and the private persona. And accusing him of being a liar and/or deliberately releasing a bad game for personal gain will upset people with that kind of connection, and quite reasonably too.
And unless you know Bernd personally or have absolute undeniable proof (which you don't), calling Bernd a liar etc is unacceptable.

(just to clarify, I'm not implying Usenko or anyone is or has done such a thing.)

Bernd made many bold promises pre-release and delivered very little. In any other context he would be called either a liar or a politician. So considering the alternative calling him just a liar seems mild to me.

Usenko · Post by **Usenko** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:28

Or he could be just reaching for the stars and hitting the fence. Happens to all of us at one time or another.

He could, of course, simply develop the same game over and over again.

Nah, nobody would be that cynical, right? No-one would simply create, oh, I don't know, lots and lots of 1st person shooters . . .

Seriously, if you want something new and different, you have to put up with a bit of "seemed like a good idea" here and there.

Captain Lemmiwinks · Post by **Captain Lemmiwinks** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:37

agreed

a console version "seemed" like a good idea

releasing it as a full working pc game was a "bad" idea.

jeroll3d · Post by **jeroll3d** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:39

I dont understand!

No exist 'lies'... wy talk about 'lies' in forum?

No is possible!

rpek32 · Post by **rpek32** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:39

Bernd for us - person responsible for the release of the product

jeroll3d · Post by **jeroll3d** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:42

rpek32 wrote:Bernd for us - person responsible for the release of the product

Friend

Product is good.

Alee Enn · Post by **Alee Enn** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:52

I think it depends which way you look at it.
We all wanted "this", "this" and "this".
Bernd wanted "that", "that" and "that"
What got was neither "this" or "that"

From Bernd's pov, it's more like "that" than it's "this"
but we don't see it from Bernd's pov.

Confused? Yep ... me too

Noimageavaiable · Post by **Noimageavaiable** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:53

Usenko wrote:Seriously, if you want something new and different, you have to put up with a bit of "seemed like a good idea" here and there.

Thats the problem though, it is not a "seemed like a good idea". As far as Bernd is concerned everything they did with Rebirth they did right. As is evident from the interview he takes the good sales numbers as proof that all the pointless minigames, the tedious station walking, the removal of empire building were all good decisions. He doesn't say we tried something new and failed, sorry about that. He says they tried something new and succeeded and will never change it and all the fans who disagree can stuff it.

MordantJake · Post by **MordantJake** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 13:54

Usenko wrote:Or he could be just reaching for the stars and hitting the fence. Happens to all of us at one time or another.

He could, of course, simply develop the same game over and over again.

Nah, nobody would be that cynical, right? No-one would simply create, oh, I don't know, lots and lots of 1st person shooters . . .

Seriously, if you want something new and different, you have to put up with a bit of "seemed like a good idea" here and there.

Of course that's true. But reach exceeding grasp is a failure of design, and so i don't blame people for being more ready to trash the game they received than to applaud the one ES may or may not have been trying to make.

Having said that, saying Bernd is a liar and is trolling us etc etc is useless, and inflammatory. None of us know the guy, so "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence".

rpek32 · Post by **rpek32** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 14:00

Alien Tech Inc. wrote: Confused?

You kill my brains

dzhedzho · Post by **dzhedzho** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 14:02

Usenko wrote:Trouble is, for a lot of us old timers, there's little difference between the official persona and the private persona. And accusing him of being a liar and/or deliberately releasing a bad game for personal gain will upset people with that kind of connection, and quite reasonably too.

Well, yes that's the one.
Though not sure if it's anyhow reasonable, even though understandable. Bernd is a CEO of some company, not our buddy. He works for the company, and will always put the company before us, unless our interests coincide (a win-win scenario). Why does this remind me of the term "special relationship". I have been around for very long, and I must say I even loved XBTF, and have always had a good opinion about ES. But never, never though I have a connection with ES.

Anyhow, don't think he is lying, personally I think he really believes what he's saying.
Though I think he had doubts - if you really believe you did a good job, usually you don't deny pre-release reviews by the "press", because that's one of the best advertisement there is.

davebispham · Post by **davebispham** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 14:10

Gamestar : You just mentioned the Early Access program from Steam. Why did you choose this option is not used if you already relies on the controversial in your fan circles Steam coercion?

Bernd Lehahn : We would like to have done it , but the opportunity came late . And it was not due to marketing reasons. It would fit well with our type of publication and we would have the game now probably over a longer period in the Early Access .

Gamestar : But on their Steam sells the game even ? And so the new Early Access option on Steam is again not now .

Bernd Lehahn : How do you say already on Steam , we sell it yourself. But unfortunately be supplied only on Steam. Because I can not go into details , but it's just so that we can not do what we want . We also need to take on the retail sales consideration . Sadly, it has .

Is Bernd saying here that if he released the game as early access on steam that he would only be able to sell the completed game on steam???
If so is this true???

vargata · Post by **vargata** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 14:58

Usenko wrote:Trouble is, for a lot of us old timers, there's little difference between the official persona and the private persona. And accusing him of being a liar and/or deliberately releasing a bad game for personal gain will upset people with that kind of connection, and quite reasonably too.

Tell me that not having s/m shipmarket/repair option in game is not a WELL KNOWN unfinished part of the game. It's not a bug. It's just one but it makes clear the game was deliberately released unfinished.
Tell me that "every ship has a task and destroying them will affect the economy" wasn't a lie, we all know that's not true. You might get upset if we say he is a liar but he made the mistake and don't even accept it. For me... it's just disgusting, sry.

rpek32 · Post by **rpek32** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 15:06

vargata

your signature... so positive.

5+

Pharoah · Post by **Pharoah** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 16:25

Usenko wrote:Or he could be just reaching for the stars and hitting the fence. Happens to all of us at one time or another.

He could, of course, simply develop the same game over and over again.

Nah, nobody would be that cynical, right? No-one would simply create, oh, I don't know, lots and lots of 1st person shooters . . .

Seriously, if you want something new and different, you have to put up with a bit of "seemed like a good idea" here and there.

Nobody would care about him falling short, if he didn't keep the charade going, which he still is.

Nobody said they wanted anything this different, don't put that on us, the customer, WE din't tell Bernd to design this game the way he did, he did it on his own, and without ANY input from the community.

There's only so many ways you can take a series before it becomes something completely different, we should have been told this is a "FPS in Space" and not anything at all strategic like previous X titles.

Their advertising campaign did NOT paint the picture that was delivered. Period. I'm not the only one who feels this way, the vast majority feels this way.

If we didn't... there wouldn't be so much damn rage going on.

snwboardn21 · Post by **snwboardn21** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 16:27

To be fair...

This is not X4 - translates to "this is crappy FPS game" in German

Nibel · Post by **Nibel** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 17:15

Sonic & Tails wrote:is of course annoying when some of our customers have problems

Uhmm, he considers the customers problems as "annoying"?

And people still support Egosoft. Wonderful world we live in.

rly ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
you pulling lame BS from google trnaslate as a 100% proof ????
Wonderful world we live in.©
oh wait,we lived in this world from the beginning...

yoyolll · Post by **yoyolll** » Thu, 5. Dec 13, 17:18

Pharoah wrote:
Usenko wrote:Or he could be just reaching for the stars and hitting the fence. Happens to all of us at one time or another.

He could, of course, simply develop the same game over and over again.

Nah, nobody would be that cynical, right? No-one would simply create, oh, I don't know, lots and lots of 1st person shooters . . .

Seriously, if you want something new and different, you have to put up with a bit of "seemed like a good idea" here and there.
Nobody would care about him falling short, if he didn't keep the charade going, which he still is.

Nobody said they wanted anything this different, don't put that on us, the customer, WE din't tell Bernd to design this game the way he did, he did it on his own, and without ANY input from the community.

There's only so many ways you can take a series before it becomes something completely different, we should have been told this is a "FPS in Space" and not anything at all strategic like previous X titles.

Their advertising campaign did NOT paint the picture that was delivered. Period. I'm not the only one who feels this way, the vast majority feels this way.

If we didn't... there wouldn't be so much damn rage going on.

I agree. He said a lot of stuff he knew potential customers want to hear (and probably a lot of stuff he genuinely meant), but now we see this game had a shroud over it from the very beginning.

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"Gamestar" Interview with Bernd