Rebirthing Rebirth

[Ghost-Insignus]

Yea, slow down there bub. We're just trying to express valid criticisms. I've not seen anyone go over the top and threaten anyone in this thread. Even the most virulent of critics of this release will tell you that they want this game to work. We all just have different ideas. Some of those ideas, however, are based more in what actually has happened, as opposed to post-hoc justifications and apologies.

[DJC]

Yea, slow down there bub. We're just trying to express valid criticisms. I've not seen anyone go over the top and threaten anyone in this thread. Even the most virulent of critics of this release will tell you that they want this game to work. We all just have different ideas. Some of those ideas, however, are based more in what actually has happened, as opposed to post-hoc justifications and apologies.

ok when I said not this post I ment not this thread I know no one here said things like that sorry for that miscomunication but what I say is true out there I just fear that people will birng them down if this keeps up. I have no problem with anyone having an issue with the game but on the same token the volitility out there it threating that which we all want a good game, and a future for EGOSOFT. I dont think any other company will ever go this way with a game. We realy need to stand behind EGOSOFT in a respectiful manner.

[Mauzi!]

Such a long text wall and not a single word about this being a console port or a result of lies. Take off the rose-coloured glasses, mate !

What the game needs most now isn't further lull about all the game engine's potential but reminding Egosoft to deliver what they promised instead of preparing the game for the ultimate console launch with the money of the PC gaming community.

Hoping for the modding community to do Egosoft's work isn't helping either, as if they didn't get enough money for other people's work in the past already of which people thought that it would go into developing the game they always wanted - while in fact they wasted it on trying to created a console cashcow while leaving those who actually helped Egosoft where they were in the rain.

You know, trust and such; and not monetary success no matter how much I piss off the ones that sponsored me over years in the past with both work and money. It's about time that Egosoft actually delivers on their own. Afterall, they took very our own money for this pile of console crap.

Time to wake up, I say.

[DJC]

as I said before I dont have the game yet so I cant speak to it but 2 days before realeace I found a recorded demo that IGN I beleive got there hands on and it seamed to offer all that was promissed. it did seam unfinished but that is a demo. but still from what I saw there were no lies. I guess I will find out on the 26th. I hope I an not barking up the wrong tree.

In that case you missed out a few important facts: The only "demo" that Egosoft let out before release was a combat demo which in no way showed the actual game. For a reason, obviously.

While it's getting old to repost this interview over and over, since you asked for it here it is again:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi ... -of-Legacy

The lieing portion is this:

Any fan of space simulations will find the UI in X Rebirth easy to use and much more intuitive, but the 'Trade, Fight, Build, Think' gameplay elements and interaction remain as deep as X game fans have come to expect.

I'd claim that the above statement cannot be misinterpreted by any means and names a crystal clear promise. And he never cared to reply to this being called a lie except "We told you this isn't X4" - true, he promised more than the old games under a different name.

I am sure they'll iron out the bugs sooner or later. The question is what type of game XR will be in the future, or rather if Egosoft manages to turn it from an arcadish wannabe-4X game into the promised real one. At this time I consider it impossible to know what kind of game we'll get or what XR will be.

well if that link was the demo you spoke of it is most certianly not what I saw I cant do it now but I will try to find it again. According to the person nariting this was an exclusive release and not to the public. I watched as the player (someone at IGN I think) fly the skunk land go through the stations open boxes and and talk to people go in the highways among some other things. it all looked like just what was said we would get.

as for the UI well I will have to see it for myself to comment. X2 was my first X game and I hated the UI, I had to buy a N52 controler before I could even think of playing but after I got used to It it became 2nd nature. I just wonder if it is just the dif. that is upsetting. This I will find out when I get it.

I said I would try to find the demo I watched, I could not but I did also watch this 2 days before release (link at bottom). It covers some of what I saw in the one I spoke of. is everyone saying this is not a true vid representing the game because if it is it easly shows how dif. this X Rebirth is from past games. I will admit the NPCs could use some work and maby even the station interior ,but, a future texture pack can easly upgrade this stuff as has been the case in the past. I will continue to try to find the demo I watched which was played by someone outside of EGOSOFT. This way no bias can be claimed as I am sure some will say about this one. this vid can be found at PC Gamer .

Here is the original vid/demo that I was talking about, there is also a part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... BpIHzI9Jdw

Update, check all the side links at link below (check the dates so you know you are watching something that was done before the release) . There is no way anyone can claim any more that the evidance of a compleatly dif. game was about to be released
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thnJTvXt ... r_embedded

[Nomadian]

I said I would try to find the demo I watched, I could not but I did also watch this 2 days before release (link at bottom). It covers some of what I saw in the one I spoke of. is everyone saying this is not a true vid representing the game because if it is it easly shows how dif. this X Rebirth is from past games. I will admit the NPCs could use some work and maby even the station interior ,but, a future texture pack can easly upgrade this stuff as has been the case in the past. I will continue to try to find the demo I watched which was played by someone outside of EGOSOFT. This way no bias can be claimed as I am sure some will say about this one. this vid can be found at PC Gamer .

update, check all the side links at link below (check the dates so you know you are watching something that was done before the release) . There is no way anyone can claim any more that the evidance of a compleatly dif. game was about to be released
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thnJTvXt ... r_embedded

Around 6:20 in that video the guy says that they made the game to appeal to the people who were interested in combat and the people who were interested in the economy (as well as everyone in between). They don't appear to have done either very well.

I'm not into the combat side of things much, but it appears that they are not making the combat people happy from the posts on the forums. But that's not my focus.

I'm into the economy side of things and I am not happy at all. I do not see this economy that has been spoken of numerous times over the course of a few videos. Maybe once the bugs are squashed and some missing features are implemented this will change. But I do not deal in potential and hope for something that may never happen, I deal in what is.

[DJC]

As I have stated earlier I do not have the game yet so I can speak to the actual game. I am just trying to point out that it was more then obvious that the game was unmistakingly a dif. game then we were used to. I personaly think it looks like a great game and with out any hesitation will get it on the 26th. if as you imply the vids are a false representation. Then I would say that anyone not getting what the vid shows has all the right to be upset and to complain and if it is true I will as well, since I have been defending EGOSOFT based on the vids I have seen. like I said earlier I hope I am not barking up the wrong tree. but let us all please be civil. one of the reasons I am posting here is because this is one of the civilist threads out there. I have stoped following the others I posted in. I addded a link to my previous post the one I origanly watched done by an independent outside of EGOSOFT. 2 posts up

[Nomadian]

As I have stated earlier I do not have the game yet so I can speak to the actual game. I am just trying to point out that it was more then obvious that the game was unmistakingly a dif. game then we were used to. I personaly think it looks like a great game and with out any hesitation will get it on the 26th. if as you imply the vids are a false representation. Then I would say that anyone not getting what the vid shows has all the right to be upset and to complain and if it is true I will as well, since I have been defending EGOSOFT based on the vids I have seen. like I said earlier I hope I am not barking up the wrong tree. but let us all please be civil. one of the reasons I am posting here is because this is one of the civilist threads out there. I have stoped following the others I posted in.

I'm being civil everywhere. I know that not everyone is. I hope you get the game and you like it. I hope it's exactly like you imagine it to be. If it is, great!

But no, I do not feel that the current state of the game is being properly represented in the videos. Plus a person shouldn't have to watch 15 different 15-45 minute videos to get a clear picture of what the game is supposed to be about. That is my opinion.

[DJC]

I'm being civil everywhere. I know that not everyone is. I hope you get the game and you like it. I hope it's exactly like you imagine it to be. If it is, great!

But no, I do not feel that the current state of the game is being properly represented in the videos. Plus a person shouldn't have to watch 15 different 15-45 minute videos to get a clear picture of what the game is supposed to be about. That is my opinion.

That is an opinion I can respect, about the vids.

But please understand that I am not singling you or anyone out about being uncivil I am talking to the comunity as a whole those who are not being civil know who they are and that is who I am addressing.

and thank you I hope so as well, I am sorry that the game is a disapointment for you and so many others. I can only hope that EGOSOFT will be able to make it right for most if not all.

Now I will leave this alone I feel I have made myself understood

[Ghost-Insignus]

I agree about the console part, but mentioning that seemed a bit likely to start an unproductive flame war, at least in my experience. Its a very valid point though, the game seems ham-handedly dumbed down and the controls hyper simplified to almost a fifth grade level. THis is why I advocated for a "Easy mode" "Hardmode" dichotomy.

[jambock1978]

I still think that we need to pilot more than one single ship. capitals included.

[Ghost-Insignus]

Definitely