Uhmm, how can anyone defend this POS?

[Aidyer]

I was extremely pumped for the release of X Rebirth. I watched a lot of videos, and upon playing it of course at first I felt a little underwhelmed. I looked at the metacritic score falling from 7 to 4 on the Friday alone, but I thought I'd continue playing to see if it has any redeeming features.

THE GOOD POINTS -

• Despite many people complaining about this, I like the graphical detail, especially on stations
  Story line is interesting and enjoyable
  New layout of sectors/zones is pretty nice
  Space cities are awesome
  The ability to destroy parts of large ships and stations is realistic and rather brilliant
  VR Drones are a nice touch

THE BAD POINTS -

• Pretty damned laggy even on minimum graphics with my computer supposedly in the "Recommended" area for hardware. (In addition: Frame rates can drop massively occasionally in stations or otherwise, making it very difficult to know what you're doing)
  A few bugs can mess up fighting or force you to reload
  Humanoid graphics are rather basic
  Ship steering is slow
  Getting around menus is a pain in the arse
  Maps are poorly layed out (Not sure if you can zoom at all, I haven't been able to as of yet)

In conclusion, I think the game wasn't ready for release. If they had waited until 15th November 2014, I think we'd have a winner on our hands. Personally, I give the game somewhere between a seven and an eight out of ten, because I can see past the minor faults and can eventually get used to the lag, to see a potentially beautiful game. Personally I reckon the majority of people aren't giving the game enough time to mess around with, and are getting hung up on the imperfections that I've outlined or their own personal vendettas against the game or indeed starting to attack Egosoft themselves! (Which in my opinion is rather pathetic). Of course, the bad points means I cannot possibly give X Rebirth in excess of an eight, but we'll see how long it take before these points are seen to

[Cronos988]

At this point, all we can is understand why the X series had to be redesigned from the ground up, and I think if we do that, we realise that X Rebirth, for all its flaws, wasn't necessarily trending in the wrong direction so much as it was a badly executed next step in the series. And the series needs this next step if it is to survive, and if we are to enjoy future X games, we need to sort the chaff from the wheat and try to help repair and embrace this redesign. Egosoft couldn't just make an incremental X4 - the series would slowly bleed out like this.

I think X Rebirth is more than just a ****** console port. Egosoft probably just got in over their heads.

But what am I supposed to do? Support a bad game with my money in the hopes that eventually, a good game may materialize? That cannot be the philosophy. How can we tell whether or not our "appreciation" will be taken as consent?

Because the thing is, I agree it needed a redesign, but I consider the direction of the redesign to be the wrong one. It's the lack of interactivity between the different elements of the universe that was problematic and harmful to immersion. But nothing has been done to create a more coherent and living universe.

[irR4tiOn4L]

At this point, all we can is understand why the X series had to be redesigned from the ground up, and I think if we do that, we realise that X Rebirth, for all its flaws, wasn't necessarily trending in the wrong direction so much as it was a badly executed next step in the series. And the series needs this next step if it is to survive, and if we are to enjoy future X games, we need to sort the chaff from the wheat and try to help repair and embrace this redesign. Egosoft couldn't just make an incremental X4 - the series would slowly bleed out like this.

I think X Rebirth is more than just a ****** console port. Egosoft probably just got in over their heads.

But what am I supposed to do? Support a bad game with my money in the hopes that eventually, a good game may materialize? That cannot be the philosophy. How can we tell whether or not our "appreciation" will be taken as consent?

Because the thing is, I agree it needed a redesign, but I consider the direction of the redesign to be the wrong one. It's the lack of interactivity between the different elements of the universe that was problematic and harmful to immersion. But nothing has been done to create a more coherent and living universe.

Whether you buy the game or not is up to you I would suggest. However, it is my view that the game is presently salvageable and I simply suggest that the post-launch dissapointment energy is redirected to that end - either through modding, or lobbying egosoft to fix what they got wrong.

It is either that or watching the series fail, frankly.

Now as to the direction of the redesign - you are viewing it from a functionality perspective, not a development perspective. From a functionality perspective, it is clear there is far less interaction in this game.

But I suspect that we need to understand the redesign Egosoft had to undertake for this reason; Egosoft had to start again, from the ground up. That's not easy.

It is not so much that they wished to remove the ability to control fleets, freighters, trade etc from all corners of the universe - it is that they simply didn't have the resources to reimplement the huge database of work that had gone into the previous games on this front.

X Rebirth I think can surpass the earlier games, but it needs time. It needs modders. It needs scripts and new commands and new assets and a new UI.

Certainly Egosoft should have done a much better job. But they haven't, or couldn't. What we are left with is a choice - take this flawed product on board, or abandon it entirely - which will likely split the series.

I would suggest the way forward is to await the mod tools and see if this mess can't be repaired, with or without the devs.

[<TANK>]

My little addition, I dont say much.

I fully understand Ego intention to create something new and applaud that as any gamer would.

However, if you buy any consumer product you have the expectation that it should be in full working order, and as described, straight out of the box.

If u buy a microwave, you wouldnt be prepared to wait 3 months for the door to be delivered would you ?

So while i appreciate the modding potential Gazz mentioned, surely it should at least be functional and contain the features as described, at the point of sale!

[WildAce]

its just sad, that by the time overhauls come out to fix this mess Star Citizen will likely be in full swing heading into release and rebirth will be forgotten by the majority of space fans.

[Guest]

look at me
I'm proud glorious x veteran, muh played da game back in dat bronze age,
x was so cash!
U all some fricking console casual noobs not seeing the glorious gloriousness of le new egosoft masterpiece.
nauw sh*t up an lemme eat some cheetos

[rss334]

I can't defend it, the game is horrible and I'm a long time X series player. I installed it on Friday and uninstalled later that night. Everything that was good about X is gone, dumbed down, tedious.

Spent most of Saturday complaining with others on these forums. I'm done now, X Rebirth is dead to me. I'm going back to x3 AP with the intent not to look at or post on these forums anymore. The next time EgoSoft announces a release of something, they can count me out of the guaranteed sales bucket.

[Cronos988]

Whether you buy the game or not is up to you I would suggest. However, it is my view that the game is presently salvageable and I simply suggest that the post-launch dissapointment energy is redirected to that end - either through modding, or lobbying egosoft to fix what they got wrong.

I think I am precisely doing the latter by posting on these forums. As for modding: I mod games that I like to make them better. Modding is an occasional hobby of mine, not a full time job - I can't do the job of the devs.

It is either that or watching the series fail, frankly.

So you say I must buy it for the good of the series?

Now as to the direction of the redesign - you are viewing it from a functionality perspective, not a development perspective. From a functionality perspective, it is clear there is far less interaction in this game.

But I suspect that we need to understand the redesign Egosoft had to undertake for this reason; Egosoft had to start again, from the ground up. That's not easy.

No, but neither does it mean they lost their entire experience with space sim games.

It is not so much that they wished to remove the ability to control fleets, freighters, trade etc from all corners of the universe - it is that they simply didn't have the resources to reimplement the huge database of work that had gone into the previous games on this front.

Except Bernd has stated that the removed them because it didn't fit with their vision of a game, that vision being an Xbox game. They didn't run out of resources, they decided that controller compatibility is more important than ship commands. A clear design decision that they are on the record for.

X Rebirth I think can surpass the earlier games, but it needs time. It needs modders. It needs scripts and new commands and new assets and a new UI.

What you are saying is that the engine could carry a different, better game. Which is true, but requires developing a completely new game. We won't be seeing that in months, it will take years.

Certainly Egosoft should have done a much better job. But they haven't, or couldn't. What we are left with is a choice - take this flawed product on board, or abandon it entirely - which will likely split the series.

I would suggest the way forward is to await the mod tools and see if this mess can't be repaired, with or without the devs.

But again: If I don't have the option to buy the game with the caveat attached that my money should go into developing the game I want. I can only give DeepSilver/Egosoft my money as a carte blanche: They can do whatever they want with it.

If I could donate 50$ to the modding community in some form of Kickstarter to completely remake the game, then sure. But that's not an option I have currently.

[Nomadian]

I love how most of the people who are saying that Egosoft ruined the X-series just joined the forums here within the last month.


I don't have a firm opinion of the game yet. I'm still playing it. But so far it is exactly as it appeared to be from the pre-release videos. Yes, it's different from the previous X games and I knew it was going to be different before I started playing it. Whether or not I like the differences and can live with them remains to be seen.

Bugs - Yeah... they'll be gone eventually. But I've done many beta tests over the years so minor bugs don't bother me too much.

FPS - 60 FPS constantly for me since 1.12. I have a 2 year old gaming rig (self built). Maybe some people need a better rig? Dunno...

[Sonic & Tails]

FPS - 60 FPS constantly for me since 1.12. I have a 2 year old gaming rig (self built). Maybe some people need a better rig? Dunno...

GPU?

[SuperG]

Yes, it is different so different it shift audiences.
To busy playing BF4 on PS3 and PC and ARMA3.
But give the free roam a spin and was completely clueless. No problem need to get into first. Don't know if I would like it. Only fooled around a few minutes.

[SickArgon]

I really wonder after reading the discussion...

The freaks defending the game can you please say what exactly was sold for 50 Euro?

The fact is that one gets a clumsy unplayable mostly ugly peace of shit software.
Basically everybody was conned and money was stolen by this Bernd character & Co, who lied with straight face in promos (and continues in the same line as it seems).

That the modders share apearently the mindset of the developers' crew that somehow in future this can be patched and what not doesnt change the situation now.

Meaning you guys think that's ok to con thousands into downloading this crap for cash.

Well, no surprise here...

[Darkhan]

I love how most of the people who are saying that Egosoft ruined the X-series just joined the forums here within the last month.

Join date has nothing to do with how long people have been enjoying the product. People lurk in many forums.

I'm an X-player too. Been around since X2. After spending about 12 hours in campaign (God the bugginess!) I need an X-epidural (alcohol works well here too)

I deleted the game from my pc because it was X-tedious in a major way.

Can they fix it ? Probably. But I'm not their "target" audience anymore. And they'll get a rude awakening as to how their new intended audience behaves.

Am I angry, not any more. Just very dissapointed. I don't intend to wait for a year or more before this game is playable. Bernd and company made their bed now they have to lie in it. I'm simply moving on from Egosoft being a prefered developer to just another one.

[Deleted User]

I love how most of the people who are saying that Egosoft ruined the X-series just joined the forums here within the last month.

Join date has nothing to do with how long people have been enjoying the product. People lurk in many forums.

I'm an X-player too. Been around since X2. After spending about 12 hours in campaign (God the bugginess!) I need an X-epidural (alcohol works well here too)

I deleted the game from my pc because it was X-tedious in a major way.

Can they fix it ? Probably. But I'm not their "target" audience anymore. And they'll get a rude awakening as to how their new intended audience behaves.

Am I angry, not any more. Just very dissapointed. I don't intend to wait for a year or more before this game is playable. Bernd and company made their bed now they have to lie in it. I'm simply moving on from Egosoft being a prefered developer to just another one.

^ this

[Skism]

The game has potential

Good:
-Space doesn't feel empty anymore
-The setting is quite interesting (gate collaps, random reconnects, lawless space etc)
-Graphics
-potential expandability
-AI pathfinding

Bad:
-Bugs, bugs everywhere
-Interface is now bad in an a ways that you simply cannot control stuff at a macroscopic level
-No instructions whatsoever to do certain things like repairing ships
-AI still bugged like hell
-No trade ques
-No way to easily give ship orders, if any for that matter
-Did I mention bugs?
-BAAAAAAAD FPS
-Campaign bugging out in atleast 3 seperate occassions for a lot of people
-Interface bugs

This game has potential, but as it stands now it feels more like 0.812 instead of 1.12 if I'm honest. It's a damn shame

I actually agree this is a very good post.

[Guest]

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Am I angry, not any more. Just very dissapointed. I don't intend to wait for a year or more before this game is playable. Bernd and company made their bed now they have to lie in it. I'm simply moving on from Egosoft being a prefered developer to just another one.

generic egosoft forum reply #78642387

U are just not smart enough to get the supernatural deepness that comes from the ultimate immersion of this glorious great game, maybe you own a nintendo

[Artean]

But so far it is exactly as it appeared to be from the pre-release videos.

Exactly. And that could hardly come as a surprise to anyone who did their research before purchasing. Bugs and the lacking ui is another matter, though, but within reach for Egosoft to actually fix.

[slimgrin]

Apparently Egosoft hasn't gotten the message that it sucks. Quote from Bernd

"I would like to say how amazed we all are here by the huge success of the game. Number one on Steam for several days in a row at this time of year when the big hitters come out... wow, we never expected that. It's crazy to see that more than 10,000 people are playing our game at any one time on Steam (even more if you include those who are in offline mode). Madness!"

Lol..is he drunk on absinth?

[Darkhan]

But so far it is exactly as it appeared to be from the pre-release videos.

Exactly. And that could hardly come as a surprise to anyone who did their research before purchasing. Bugs and the lacking ui is another matter, though, but within reach for Egosoft to actually fix.

You are correctly as it is exactly what they showed. A bad port of an Xbox game.

[Nomadian]

Join date has nothing to do with how long people have been enjoying the product. People lurk in many forums.

True. I lurked here for a few years before I ever joined. Even still, I rarely post.

I'm an X-player too. Been around since X2. After spending about 12 hours in campaign (God the bugginess!) I need an X-epidural (alcohol works well here too)

Can they fix it ? Probably. But I'm not their "target" audience anymore. And they'll get a rude awakening as to how their new intended audience behaves.

Yup, certainly buggy. No argument from me. Far too buggy to be considered a release.

But bugs aside... The game is different. I already said I don't have a firm opinion of it yet. But I do have a firm opinion of the previous X games. If I wanted to play the previous X games I could go play them right now. But after 1000's of hours I can't find the motivation to play them any longer.

For that reason I am glad this game is different. I know I couldn't get into a newly polished X3 again... Then again, I still don't know if I can get into XR either... It may be TOO different. I'm not particularly fond of being stuck in 1 ship. I'm conflicted... But public opinion holds no sway on me. I make up my own mind.