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Star Wars Or Star Trek

Star Wars
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Star Trek
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Neither
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Frigonius
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Post by Frigonius »

Hi Jericho, couldn't stop to continue the hopeless (whiny Luke Skywalker voice) "... but Phantom Menace isn't that bad"-debate :D .
But c'mon, the voices of the little blue flying guy, and the trade federation twats, and the jar-jar-binks race, was a serious pain in the backside to listen to and try to understand.
Well, I liked Wattoo - best alien CGI character in TPM anyway. Personally, I found the trade federation twats rather comical - I wouldn't want to miss them. And the Gungans ... well, I'm definitely no big fan of those, but they don't bother me either - I like them even better than the Ewoks (I have nightmares of Ewoks :lol: ). Regarding their speech : well, I watched them with subtitles in my movie theatre, so I had no problem to understand them. It's a bit Euro-English, isn't it 8) ?
The "Great pod race" was cheesey and far too bright/colourfull.
In retrospect, I like the light character of the movie - it's the "civilised age before the dark times, before the Empire" as Obi would call it (from his point of view :) ). Don't get me wrong; I like dark movies and am looking forward to the proclaimed "dark" Episode 3, but I think Phantom Menace shows something different, to contrast with the empire of the last 3 (or four, if you include ep3) episodes. And yes, I like the pod race, though it's a bit tedious at times.
The whole film was made for merchandising:- another reason why so many characters were computer generated (They don't have to pay the actors for their likeness on the merchandise that way).
I think judging a film by it's merchandising is kind of lame (no offence :P ). I have never encountered any, yes, ANY merchandise of the Phantom Menace, probably because I never purposely went looking for it. Maybe it's the country I live in, but I have yet to encounter the first Phantom Menace puppet (I've never even seen any Star Wars puppet, can you beat that :) ). Besides, noone is obliged to buy the merchandise. I definitely did not. The only Star Wars prequel merchandise I have, is a poster, comic book and movie guide of Clones.

There are lots of human extras in the prequels (pilots on Naboo, extras in Mos Espa, ...). And so what if Lucas had used actors in stead of CGI creatures ? He still could have made tons of merchandising out of those - he only would have to give a percentage to the actors. For you, Jericho the customer, it would still have been the same rip-off (actually, the toys would probably be more expensive). You would only have the gratitude that Lucas earns less. Were you dismissed as a prequel-extra or something that you hold merchandising as a grudge against the movie :P ?

I like movies regardless of their merchandising and the money it actually generates.
It did have a grand feel to the film, although the "retro" ships and space stations looked like Dr.Who cast-offs that were thrown away for looking too cheap and nasty.
Hm, that's a matter of taste, I guess. Anyway, I thought most of the designs were good. I like how the designs in the prequels are evolving, and getting constantly closer to the Original Trilogy look (those primitive Star Destroyers in Clones - beautiful !).
"Hmm, what should Padme's ship look like?" "Oh, I can't be bothered to design another texture, lets make it completly reflective so you can see the landscape reflecting in it and the audiance will go 'ooohhh!'".
I certainly didn't go "ooohh". I prefer the Star Destroyers obviously, but the clean look fits the Galactic time frame. I think the Nubian (is it the correct term ?) ships look fine. The Calamari cruisers and the Imperial Shuttle from the OT weren't that spectacular either - they're even duller in design (compared with the corvettes, frigates, transport ships and all the others in the OT - love those).
Then they throw R2D2 and C3PO in to keep the original fans happy (didn't work).
Never been a big fan of R2D2 and C3PO in the first place 8) . They did work for me, like they always (barely) work for me in the original trilogy. Loved C3PO in Clones though (first time I liked him).
The pace and action of Jedi is admitedly a little stop-start. But the great Skiff battle at the begining has a great feel when they fly away triumphant, and the space battle at the end is the best of any of the films. (Gunguns vs battle droids or whatever their names are? that was so shite)
The skiff battle, the spacebattle and the Emperor/Luke/Vader moments are the highlights of Return of the Jedi, but in between it's rather dull and flat. I saw "Return of the Jedi" just two days ago (it had been a couple of months), and it was at that moment that I came to the following conclusion : Phantom Menace is imo superior to ROTJ - it's a pretty recent decision, isn't it ? :lol:

It's a bit unfair to compare the Gungan battle with the spacebattle (or the skiff battle). You should compare it with the Ewok battle (most similarities). Then, the Gungan battle's superior IMO. Let's see : robust amphibians with modern technology against skinny battle droids = believable (in theory, the Gungans actually lost that battle - it's all Anakin's fault ! :D ). Silly teddybears with sticks and rocks against a legion of the Empire's best troops = a little hard to believe. Okay, both need suspension of belief, but I prefer the Gungan battle (teddy bears just don't fight). Since two days ago ...
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Post by RustiSwordz »

Jedi wrote:I think you need to take a long look at what Lucas intended the Star Wars films to be Jericho!

He made them for fun!
He made them for the whole family!
He made them with timeless storylines of good triumphing over evil.
He made them clean without all the garbage that sells movies today.
He made them the most popular films of all time.

You can trash the latest films all you like but the bottom line is that Lucas achieved his goals and brough great joy to millions all across the world. :)
I agree, far superiour to dullsville Trek, even when trek was good SW was better.
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Post by Frigonius »

You can trash the latest films all you like but the bottom line is that Lucas achieved his goals and brough great joy to millions all across the world.
In the end, it all depends on how you perceive them. Some people will like them, some will hate them, and some will frankly not care. Luckily I like them all, so I have the most enjoyment IMO.

It's just that it gets frustrating at times to read sentences like "how can you lot actually enjoy Phantom Menace if you enjoyed the first Star Wars". I would just like it if people could accept someone just enjoys the damn movie.

From Jericho's posts, I come to the conclusion that he likes the original Star Wars a lot, and probably Empire even more. Well, tell that to my older brother. He has seen all the original Star Wars films ONCE, but never intends to see them again. In his opinion, 'SW - A New Hope' is "boring as hell" :o - he only cares a little for the final trenchrun. 'Empire strikes back' is the second in boringness - he just can't stand the "slow-paced Yoda-scenes", and the "endless Millenium Falcon chase". The Hoth battle doesn't do anything for him. He only regards the final Darth Vader/Luke battle as classic. He likes 'Jedi' actually the most (curious, isn't it ?), though he won't bother to see it EVER again.

Phantom Menace was the worst for him though, and I've yet to poll him on how well he liked Clones. He went with me on the midnight premiere, and I guess he enjoyed it. Strangely enough, I managed to get him watch it again on DVD - it's really a phenomenon. It's now the first Star Wars movie he has seen twice (so, I guess he likes it).

Point is, he could easily post the following question : 'how can you lot actually sit out the original or Empire ? it's boring - only Jedi and Clones have some action scenes going for it'. I bet you wouldn't let such an opinion unanswered, would you ? :wink:

Okay, all I want is a little respect. Boy, am I nagging ... :lol:
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Post by JadeNova »

Well I was there in 1977 when StarWars was released and I have seen the original movie over 120 times and loved it everytime I have seen it. I say this so that Jericho knows that I was there to appreciate the original.

I have eagerly awaited every film and have not been disappointed in any way. I wonder if any of the critics have read the books? Because both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were great at capturing things that before hand had been left to our imagination.

I have read every book and seen every film countless times and I have one last thing to say!

STARWARS RULES :!: :!: :!: :D
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General Antilles wrote:
Apothos wrote:
Adamskini wrote:star wars, but only because of the boooks, star wars books are far far better than star trek books ..... and the space battles are well in there
What he said.
What he said about him saying what he said.
What he said about him saying about him saying what he said. :P



oh, and I liked Ep1 because of the storyline and that it answered some questions and stuff. Despite the fact that it was written for an audience of ten-year-olds and under. :( Instead of the origonal audience, and the generation below. (ie: people who saw it in the cinema, and people like me who wanted to see them in the cinema and loved the SE versions :) )

And Ep2 was awesome, except for the droid factory bit. I mean, if R2 always had those jet things it would have been handy in the later episodes! (er, by 'later' I mean 'earlier' :P )

That and threepio was really irritating. Stupid one liners.

Master Yodas fight scene was awesome! you should have seen it in the cinema I was in, (I went to the premier in sydney) all the oddball Fans who got dressed up in karate uniforms (half the audience) with their kiddie plastic lightsabers stood up and cheered and waved the lightsabers around and everyone cheered and laughed. 'twas awesome! :D
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Thalass wrote:And Ep2 was awesome, except for the droid factory bit. I mean, if R2 always had those jet things it would have been handy in the later episodes!
R2-D2 is an Astromech droid. It makes sense that it has them, even if you never saw them in other episodes.
That and threepio was really irritating. Stupid one liners.
Totally agree - spoiled probably the best part of the film.
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Post by UncleKnobby »

Apothos wrote:
Thalass wrote:And Ep2 was awesome, except for the droid factory bit. I mean, if R2 always had those jet things it would have been handy in the later episodes!
R2-D2 is an Astromech droid. It makes sense that it has them, even if you never saw them in other episodes.
That and threepio was really irritating. Stupid one liners.
Totally agree - spoiled probably the best part of the film.
Totally agree with your totally agreeing.
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UncleKnobbysBack wrote:Totally agree with your totally agreeing.
So you should. ;)
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Jedi wrote:Well I was there in 1977 when StarWars was released and I have seen the original movie over 120 times and loved it everytime I have seen it. I say this so that Jericho knows that I was there to appreciate the original.

I have eagerly awaited every film and have not been disappointed in any way. I wonder if any of the critics have read the books? Because both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were great at capturing things that before hand had been left to our imagination.

I have read every book and seen every film countless times and I have one last thing to say!

STARWARS RULES :!: :!: :!: :D
Oncer again I totally agree.
I also was there (I was only 7, but I was there), then I saw it's rerelease (Including the Episode 4 tag) when Empire came out, then I sat through a bum numbing 3 in a row session when Jedi arrived.
I've watched 'em on TV every time they're on, own the video's.
Went to the cinema again, when the SE's came out, including another bum numbing session, when Jedi SE was released.

Watched Phantom Menace 5 times at the cinema, and Clones 4.

I own the Original trilogy on VHS, the SE Trilogy on VHS, and EP's I & II on DVD. And I watch them often.

I also own all the book's (Apart from Destiney's Way 'cause it's not out in paperback yet), and again I read then all the time.
Well apart from any written by kevin j arsehole, who can just about manage to write stories for 3 year olds IMO.

Yes I also own some of the ST movies on DVD, and enjoy them, and I enjoy a lot of ST TV, but the point is I enjoy them, not Love them.

It's a matter of taste, so some of you will read this shouting 'BLASPHEMER' at your screen's, but hey it's my opition not necessarily yours, and you are welcome to yours, but please allow me mine.
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Post by crunn »

Neither

Starwars -
- Just another reasonable sci-fi movie(s). Watched each 2/3 times, no big deal.

Startrek -
- Original (occasionally amusing, nothing more)
- TNG (boring. Tho the borg were good, final season ok)
- DS9 (hated it)
- Voyager (liked it, but it was nothing exceptional)
- Enterprise (it's supposed to be nieve space exploration, it does this very well. I just don't think it's all that good)

Bab5 -
- OUTSTANDING

Farscape -
- Very good

Stargate -
- Very good

Lexx -
- Fascinatingly different approach, a most enjoyable watch, commendable.

Space Above and Beyond -
- quite good

Andromeda -
- Bad

Space Precinct -
- Utterly Horrific

Earth Final Conflict -
- Utterly Horrific
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Post by JadeNova »

One thing is amazing and that is how much people's taste's vary. :D

Bab5 -
- Barely passable.

Farscape -
- Total garbage.

Stargate -
- Ok

Lexx -
- Total garbage.

Space Above and Beyond -
- Awesome and totally under rated.

Andromeda -
- Awesome and totally under rated.

Space Precinct -
- Total garbage.

Earth Final Conflict -
- Total garbage.

Andromeda is my current favorite and I can't wait for season 2 to get here! :D
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Post by crunn »

Jedi wrote:One thing is amazing and that is how much people's taste's vary. :D
Particularly among people like ourselves on this forum, all of whom share very similar interests, yet have wildly differing taste/opinion.

I'm sure in certain circles we would make a fascinating psychology study.
*chuckle*
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My views on other sci fi.

Bab5: Excellent
Crusade: Very Good, very underrated.
Space Above and Beyond: Good again underrated.
Farscape: Seasons 1/2/3/ Excellent. Season 4: Shite
Stargate Sg1: Very good.

If it aint mentioned its shite.

:lol:
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I won't tell them if you don't crunn. :lol:
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Post by General Antilles »

crunn wrote:Neither

Starwars -
- Just another reasonable sci-fi movie(s). Watched each 2/3 times, no big deal.
*Twitch**Twitch*..somebody hold me back.. :evil:
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Why?

Open x-foils to attack position and blow him away it'll be just like thumping wampats back home. :D :D :D
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Post by Colonel Bumfluff »

I'm guessing that someone has already mentioned this but the original 3 movies (IV, V, VI) contained acting FAR BETTER than the latest 2 movies (I, II) I mean it seems no matter who plays the character ANAKIN (young or old in the latest ones) they can't act to save their life (and this is coming from a star wars FAN). I think the only ones that could act were Yoda (go Frank OZ! :P ) and Palpatine.

Don't worry I waiting for the onslaught that will probably be coming my way soon...I'll be ready! I have the FORCE.....*reaches for baked beans*........



I don't know why but for some reason I thought when I saw a preview that it was going to be Ryan Phillipe to play Anakin (would've done a FAR better job) in EP2 but it was a dark scene. 8)
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Jedi wrote:Why?

Open x-foils to attack position and blow him away it'll be just like thumping wampats back home. :D :D :D
That would be 'S-foils', hehehe.

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