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Post by Dungeoncrawler »

BigBANGtheory wrote:
Dungeoncrawler wrote:
Snakebit3 wrote:page 14:

"exiting a superhighway are not possible"


weeew weeew weeew
this is the grammar police! pull over!
...don't like this one. But it might not be a big deal depending on where you can enter the superhighways? I'm still rather confused on how a sector will be structured when regarding travel within it, and from sector to sector?
Sector A to Sector B travel is via a Superhighway

Traveling inside a sector means traveling between Zones either using a highway or in theory normal flight (you'll need to discover that for yourself), or exiting a highway looking for deep space things of interest.

Systems are supposedly a group of Sectors and imply larger distances so perhaps jump drives or jump gates

So if I understand correctly the Universe is made up of Systems which is made up of Sectors which is made up of Zones and freedom to explore between Zones. I don't believe you can explore between Sectors or Systems though...
Well, committing to superhighway travel seems restrictive imo. But I guess we'll see in a few hours :). Also, for anyone that has read the manual, do you like the new method for capturing ships?
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BigBANGtheory wrote:So if I understand correctly the Universe is made up of Systems which is made up of Sectors which is made up of Zones and freedom to explore between Zones. I don't believe you can explore between Sectors or Systems though...
10/10 Gold Star for paying attention. ;)
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Snakebit3 wrote:
biohazard15 wrote:1) The Skunk can accomodate 20 marines and their commander? God, this ship is BIG. Or, these marines are SMALL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls5834hbssM

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CBJ wrote:
BigBANGtheory wrote:So if I understand correctly the Universe is made up of Systems which is made up of Sectors which is made up of Zones and freedom to explore between Zones. I don't believe you can explore between Sectors or Systems though...
10/10 Gold Star for paying attention. ;)
Are you suggesting I don't pay attention? I haven't bought the game yet you know :P
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Thanks

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Wait... why does the manual describe all the major races from X3? I thought they weren't all going to make it back in Rebirth. Is this just a matter of planning ahead? You know, the missing races may one day be added back in, so they're being described now kind of thing...
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Dungeoncrawler wrote:
CBJ wrote:
BigBANGtheory wrote:So if I understand correctly the Universe is made up of Systems which is made up of Sectors which is made up of Zones and freedom to explore between Zones. I don't believe you can explore between Sectors or Systems though...
10/10 Gold Star for paying attention. ;)
Are you suggesting I don't pay attention? I haven't bought the game yet you know :P
Nah, CBJ isn't exactly known for public forum cynism, so you can safely assume that was sort of a confirmation that your take on the space structure is correct. :)

Damn, just noticing that I never got a medal from him myself...
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The writing isn't great for sure.

For example:

"Ren Otani was born on Plutarch Commune Station B during the several years after the fail of the Jump Gates. During his early formative years, had gained a number of childhood friends, notably several Teladi. Due to this, Ren is one of the few Argons that have ever learned to speak
rudimentary Teladian."


I am not a native English speaker (from Germany), yet even I notice the bad flow here (and across the whole manual).

"Ren Otani was born on Plutarch Commune Station B during the several years after the fail of the Jump Gates."

"fail" sounds pretty clumsy here. Should have been "collapse" or "breakdown".

"During his early formative years, had gained a number of childhood friends"

"he had gained" would have sounded better.

Another example:

"Yisha is extremely knowledgeable of the Albion System and its sectors.

She knows Falk “Boots” Borman long before the player does and has great respect for him. She often uses spacer and pilot terms (“Go or no-go?” “Throttle back, flyboy!”). She can be sarcastic and cynical and hard-bitten, but she also knows when people are genuinely hurting and will treat them with appropriate respect."


What?! Why I am suddenly reminded of the terrible dialogue in X3 Reunion?

I hope they don't ruin a great game by making the co-pilot another Saya
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Post by Mauzi! »

Actually, there's nothing wrong with that english since the word "fail" has a totally different meaning than "breakdown" or the like. In fact, it sounds sort of mysterious and contains a hint on "having to figure out what happened". Of course it might just be that you expect a certain meaning and wish your version of the text to reflect that.

It happens quite often that a certain wording implies additional meanings that aren't obvious when translating plainly, and today many people sadly even don't know them in their own mothertongue.

It takes plenty years of actively being involved in a languaged to get the required feeling for it, though.

So, no... gotta disagree with your perception.
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Boringnick wrote: She can be sarcastic and cynical and hard-bitten, but she also knows when people are genuinely hurting and will treat them with appropriate respect."
No no nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, this is exactly what I fear would happen. :(
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I disagree. I think "fail" is out of place. It sounds too much like what everybody was or maybe still is saying like "that's so fail" or "OMG, Total Fail!" etc.

I think it should have been "failure" and believe that breakdown as well as collapse are better wording than just fail.

There's a couple mistakes in the manual, I noticed in one place they repeated themselves with something like "note on note on". Not that it matters one way or another with regards to this, we can often find grammatical and or spelling mistakes in game manuals and it doesn't affect the game, at least not to me. Although I do have friends that would disagree with me saying that it ruins the game for them as they are reminded of a sloppy job. I'm pretty forgiving anyway, I often overlook or just chuckle with a poorly translated game as long as it doesn't become confusing like in the A-Train 9 games menu.
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Mauzi! wrote: Damn, just noticing that I never got a medal from him myself...
Simply because you never had to work so hard for it. ;)
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kuplo wrote:I disagree. I think "fail" is out of place. It sounds too much like what everybody was or maybe still is saying like "that's so fail" etc.

I think it should have been "failure" and believe that breakdown as well as collapse are better wording than just fail.
Right, my bad - failure it should have been, of course.

Still, comparing to many other manuals - especially in the gaming industry where manuals must be cheap - the X manuals never were bad really but rather comparably good.
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Mightysword wrote:
Boringnick wrote: She can be sarcastic and cynical and hard-bitten, but she also knows when people are genuinely hurting and will treat them with appropriate respect."
No no nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, this is exactly what I fear would happen. :(
Throttle back, flyboy!
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Double post, got a server error and hit resubmit.
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Mauzi! wrote:
kuplo wrote:I disagree. I think "fail" is out of place. It sounds too much like what everybody was or maybe still is saying like "that's so fail" etc.

I think it should have been "failure" and believe that breakdown as well as collapse are better wording than just fail.
Right, my bad - failure it should have been, of course.
Having checked the manual myself now, I found that the quote here was wrong. In the PDF manual on steam it says: "The failure of the Jump Gates"

So... nothing wrong here at all from my view, but maybe he was after another quote or quoted the printed version which still contained an error here.
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Mauzi! wrote:
Mauzi! wrote:
kuplo wrote:I disagree. I think "fail" is out of place. It sounds too much like what everybody was or maybe still is saying like "that's so fail" etc.

I think it should have been "failure" and believe that breakdown as well as collapse are better wording than just fail.
Right, my bad - failure it should have been, of course.
Having checked the manual myself now, I found that the quote here was wrong. In the PDF manual on steam it says: "The failure of the Jump Gates"

So... nothing wrong here at all from my view, but maybe he was after another quote or quoted the printed version which still contained an error here.
http://cdn4.steampowered.com/Manuals/28 ... 1384425963

Page 33 (chapter 3.1. "characters")

And again I am getting Reunion-flashbacks:

"Ren Otani

Age: 24
Also Known As: Ren, Citizen Otani, “Flyboy” (by Yisha)

During his early formative years, had gained a number of childhood friends,
notably several Teladi. Due to this, Ren is one of the few Argons that have ever learned to speak rudimentary Teladian.

Raised on Plutarch stations due to his father, Plutarch Analyst Olan Otani, Ren enjoyed relative comfort and a substantial education until he was 12. However, due to the untimely death of his father he and his mother, Wenya, departed Plutarch to live a simpler life in Albion.

After this Ren is largely self-taught, especially in astrotech, mechanical engineering, astrophysics, and programming."


Huh? One of the few Teladi-speaking Argon, and a wiz in astrotech (what's that?), mechanical engineering, astrophysics and programming and all this at the ripe old age of 24!

From all I've seen so far, the game looks beautiful, but the manual hints at the possibility, that the characters and plot will follow the X3 style (not a compliment).
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Hm.. my quote is from the beginning of the manual, seems the QA worked too fast... ;) There also a quite a few further typos here and there on further pages, but so what ?

But then, you only browse through a manual once only anyways - if at all! - which comparing to a thousand ingame hours is neglectable. So, I say... if this is the only "bug" of XR, that'd be pretty damn good. :)
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Boringnick wrote:Huh? One of the few Teladi-speaking Argon, and a wiz in astrotech (what's that?), mechanical engineering, astrophysics and programming and all this at the ripe old age of 24!
First off, there are people in this day and age capable of such feats. We call them geniuses. Considering Ren Otari is the main character of the story, it's not a stretch to assume that he's a cut above the rest. Furthermore, this game takes place centuries into the future. Astrophysics is probably pretty common stuff by then. I started learning calculus when I was 17. Yet a century early calculus would have been CRAZY HARD to understand at that age.
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The manual says the game will switch between devices such as Mouse Joystick and some crappy 360 controller (which will be obselete when the Xbox one appears lol) but does not give the Joystick button assignments.
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