X-Rebirth Top 10 Questions answered by Egosoft (screenshots)

ZaphodBeeblebrox · Post by **ZaphodBeeblebrox** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 09:38

I started playing X back in the X2 -The Threat Days.

I Played 2-4 Hours a day, 7 days a week over a six month period using only small fighters
and occasionally flying a courvette. I knew you could get the large capitals, but
I was having so much fun I did not even bother. When I finally got a capital ship, it
was sometimes very exciting fighting Xenon. Other times just a pain in the a**e (UK spelling.)
Wiping race ships off the front when jumping into systems.

In X2 and also X3 Reunion, it was possible to have a great time in smaller ships over
an extended period time, Taking an Elephant into Pirate sectors to act as a target, while
wiping out pirates was a real pleasure.

Taking on a Kha'ak cluster in a small fighter with a rear turret was a real challenge.
that sadly disappeared as the game pace changed in later releases.

It was only later afte the eXtended mod (I think) that it became necessary to quickly scale up
to larger ships.

X3 TC was the first that really started to force the player to upgrade quickly.

AP in my opiion is the final example of the get bigger quickly mechanic. Having larger ships to pilot
became a necessity.

Now it appears that we have gone back to those earlier times where a player will have to stay in
a fairly small ship.

This may be seen as a retrograde step. However I have ordered the game and will find out if some
of that earlier excitement has returned.

plynak · Post by **plynak** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 09:44

biohazard15 wrote:I guess UTs will make it back with mods. Money making machine? Come on, I totally want a fleet of those big mining ships, roaming the galaxy in search for some fat rocks, cutting it and then selling it to the highest bidder!

As for capital ships' bridges... if there will be a way to mod this in, it WILL be modded in.

I am sorry, but every game that needs MODs to be good and playable is bad. Why should I spend money on something with a slight hope that features I like may be added by a modder? I was not sure if I will buy the game or not. But this article definitely persuaded me it would a waste of money. This is a step about 10 years back and I am really sorry Egosoft has not realized that. Well time to move on, Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous are still waiting for me.

spacecoyote99 · Post by **spacecoyote99** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 10:00

Noimageavaiable wrote:I must admit I can't help but feel a certain schadenfreude at seeing the fanboy brigade struggle against the growing amount of dissent against His Most Holy Grace of our Lord and Savior, X Rebirth

plynak wrote:I am sorry, but every game that needs MODs to be good and playable is bad. Well time to move on, Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous are still waiting for me.

I've been trying to hold my tongue but I have to say the amount of complaining and entitlement on these forums is pretty nuts. It's fine if the game doesn't do what you want. You don't think it's worth buying? That's fine. But every other post is "Some feature I want isn't in the game? That means it's completely worthless." And now it's starting to turn into "I hope the game fails so no one else can enjoy it, ha ha."

Star Citizen? It doesn't even have any kind of empire building. It's already been confirmed you can't construct stations or own a fleet, anything like that. Hell so far all we've seen is a static model in a hangar. But people hold up that fantasy future game as though somehow X needs to live up to those imaginary standards (which imo don't even come close to anything even X3 did.)

I expect this kind of thing on the comments section a Call of Duty Youtube video. I guess I overestimated the X community. All I'll say is thank god this isn't a multiplayer game so I can enjoy it in peace.

There's my two cents. Hope you enjoy your 'schadenfreude'. It sounds like a worthwhile way to spend your life.

DaddyMonster · Post by **DaddyMonster** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 10:23

Yup. I can safely predict this "the game's rubbish and I told you so fanboy" thread rapidly reaching new intellectual heights. Lock T minus twenty...

Earth Ultimatum IV. · Post by **Earth Ultimatum IV.** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 10:35

DaddyMonster wrote:
3. Will some/all Capital Ships have a bridge you can walk onto in 1st person and give commands to the captain or watch the battle from or are we stuck inside our skunk while inside the capital ship? If not then what can you do exactly while docked to a capital ship?

No there is currently no plan to have a “bridge” view. I don’t see that changing anytime soon, but see my comments above about feedback. You can dock on capital ships including your own, you can walk around and talk to NPCs but this is not a proper indoor representation including a bridge and more importantly there is no plan for any direct control while you are ON the ship. On the contrary: You have UI modes while you are in your much more versatile, fast and maneuverable player ship (the Skunk). With those modes you can very quickly and efficiently command a capital ship to pick up objects for example.
Earth Ultimatum IV. won't be happy.., Would make a good poll as to whether this is a post release priority for people.

There is still some hope. They said that there is no direct commanding. So the intercomm is still possible... Actually this is just a addition for me, being on the deck and watching whats happening outside is what I want, being able to command from inside is very lovely, but I can live without that...

Also that RTS-like commanding interface will probably be available from inside.

A5PECT · Post by **A5PECT** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 10:46

I'm not going to lie, given how invested you were in the idea I was a little worried that you might freak out about the news. Though I think Demongornot may have filled in for you this time...

Anyways, my theory is that a good gauge for how much a person is put off by the single player ship idea is inversely proportional to how much they like strategy-style games. Basically, if they enjoy issuing orders to units and watching those units carry out their orders, then they'll probably (emphasis on "probably") enjoy Rebirth, since a lot of emphasis seems to be given to commanding and managing NPC-controlled assets.

Now in X3 there was the option to choose between doing things personally and doing things through AI proxies (commanding NPC-controlled ships). Personally, I enjoy doing both, and I would alternate between the two during my X3 games in both combat and trading scenarios. But I always found that the game was much more conducive to those personal, manual interactions than command interactions. So flying fighters and frigates around personally was a lot of fun, but commanding them - though enjoyable to a certain degree - left a lot to be desired.

Since over the years of playing X3 I grew somewhat tired of doing everything personally, I look a bit more positively at Rebirth in light of its focus on that management element that lacked in previous games, and am a little less critical of the the single player ship idea.

ThommoHawk · Post by **ThommoHawk** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 10:52

....

...click ....

communications on.

Journal Log.

Dreamed about Ban Danna for some reason. Talking with Ban Danna tends to be rather taxing nowadays as he keeps going on about how ungrateful that pirate boy Julian became since he became the saviour of the XUniverse and all.

So now Ban Danna wants to promote this other saviour of the XUniverse who claims Julian is a fraud because this other guy is the one who did the job really. some pilot called ThomoHawk. And he wants to replace me, wants to rename my ship, take my job!

I said no way hosai, I'm dreaming, go away. But now I'm awake and I got this real uneasy feeling and keep looking over my shoulder. For this space suited ThommoHawk guy from the distant past to show up at my airlock with a can of spray paint or something ...

I told Ban Danna that this XUniverse may be the biggest one ever, but it's not big enough for both of us.

Note to self; keep the disintegrator rifle under my pillow for now.

signed; Ren Otani, master and commander of the Pride of Albion.

...click....

communications off.

Post by **Geek** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:23

A5PECT wrote:Since over the years of playing X3 I grew somewhat tired of doing everything personally, I look a bit more positively at Rebirth in light of its focus on that management element that lacked in previous games, and am a little less critical of the the single player ship idea.

Thing is, X games have never been strategy games, even though they allowed to own multiple properties.
If you want play a strategy game, that is fine (I like some too) and I am confident you will find good titles.
But Rebirth will not be a strategy game - not with that passive AI and completely OP playership.

DaddyMonster · Post by **DaddyMonster** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:24

@A5PECT & Earth. While I'm on the fence as to whether it's my 'thing', it's certainly an interesting and organic way to bring the game to 2.0.

I'd propose we wait until post-release when we've all had a chance to get our teeth into the game (pointless before then) and have a poll with the bridge thing as an option and see how many people bite. Maybe Bernd could be talked round.

It would fit into later game play, you need an empire first after all, and could be tied into RTS elements. Would make more sense imo than OR support as that's not even production release yet however amazing it sounds.

A5PECT · Post by **A5PECT** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:31

Geek wrote:Thing is, X games have never been strategy games, even though they allowed to own multiple properties.
If you want play a strategy game, that is fine (I like some too) and I am confident you will find good titles.
But Rebirth will not be a strategy game - not with that passive AI and completely OP playership.

Well of course there are deeper, more developed strategy games than Rebirth. There are deeper, more developed space action games than Rebirth.

What I like about the idea of an X game is something that combines concepts from both of those genres seamlessly and still manages to execute them at least competently on an individual level.

Andy Barrett · Post by **Andy Barrett** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:31

Hmmm, things I like, things I'm not so sure of. But I still can't wait to see where the ride is going to take me as this game develops beyond v1.0.

I like UT's

I like strategy games with micro management

I like shiney new graphics

I like to make loads of money

SuckMyNova · Post by **SuckMyNova** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:42

DaddyMonster wrote:I'd propose we wait until post-release when we've all had a chance to get our teeth into the game (pointless before then) and have a poll with the bridge thing as an option and see how many people bite. Maybe Bernd could be talked round.

I agree, we have to wait and see how the game feels as a whole. While having bridges and more complete interior for all ships would be awesome, Egosoft might just be too small a company to practically do that. Rebirth would have to sell in significantly larger numbers than it is and considering that there is practically no marketing going on around Rebirth, that will probably never happen. Maybe if they'd change to crowdfunding for 2.0, but Ego is probably tied to Deep Silver atm.

A5PECT · Post by **A5PECT** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:48

People around here seem quick to point the finger at Deep Silver, but I feel like I have to give them some credit for putting up with Egosoft and its seven year development cycle for Rebirth. That's a fairly heavy time investment, especially given a company of Egosoft's size and for whatever reason Deep Silver went right along with it.

Now I'm not privy to the exact workings of Deep Silver and their relationship with Egosoft, and I'm sure there were some things that needed to be worked out between them. I could be wrong and Deep Silver could be a company of bloodsucking vampires that mercilessly lash Egosoft employees at every development milestone. But people seem to be rushing to conclusions about the business model despite having very little if any concrete information about it.

DaddyMonster · Post by **DaddyMonster** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:52

Fair comment. I am a bit curious as to when we're going to see some marketing spend from them though. I mean, it's only a few weeks now, although I'm no expert to say the least in how these things are done.

SuckMyNova · Post by **SuckMyNova** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:54

If you are referring to me, it was not my intention to demonize Deep Silver. I just meant that Ego coudn't just jump-ship to crowdfunding right now because they probably have a longer lasting contract with Deep Silver.

A5PECT · Post by **A5PECT** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 11:56

Alright, in that case it wasn't directed at you. It was directed at a general sentiment I seem to observe amongst a certain percentage of the forum population.

Hemmingfish · Post by **Hemmingfish** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 12:05

spacecoyote99 wrote:
Noimageavaiable wrote:I must admit I can't help but feel a certain schadenfreude at seeing the fanboy brigade struggle against the growing amount of dissent against His Most Holy Grace of our Lord and Savior, X Rebirth

plynak wrote:I am sorry, but every game that needs MODs to be good and playable is bad. Well time to move on, Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous are still waiting for me.
I've been trying to hold my tongue but I have to say the amount of complaining and entitlement on these forums is pretty nuts. It's fine if the game doesn't do what you want. You don't think it's worth buying? That's fine. But every other post is "Some feature I want isn't in the game? That means it's completely worthless." And now it's starting to turn into "I hope the game fails so no one else can enjoy it, ha ha."

Star Citizen? It doesn't even have any kind of empire building. It's already been confirmed you can't construct stations or own a fleet, anything like that. Hell so far all we've seen is a static model in a hangar. But people hold up that fantasy future game as though somehow X needs to live up to those imaginary standards (which imo don't even come close to anything even X3 did.)

I expect this kind of thing on the comments section a Call of Duty Youtube video. I guess I overestimated the X community. All I'll say is thank god this isn't a multiplayer game so I can enjoy it in peace.

There's my two cents. Hope you enjoy your 'schadenfreude'. It sounds like a worthwhile way to spend your life.

This post is so hilariously hypocritical I'll pick it apart for fun.

For a start, it's a fair call if features people know and love from previous games don't appear in this one that they won't buy it. You attempted to pose yourself as unbiased here, but failed. Calling it entitlement to expect a series to live up to what it's known for is like if suddenly your favourite restaurant decided to become a fast food place. Imperfect analogy, but it's equally ridiculous.

Secondly, nowhere in this thread or even the forum have I seen people posting that they hope the game will fail. It gets parroted a lot by fanboys, despite having no basis in fact. Plynak was on the edge about buying the game, decided not to in the face of new information and is now looking forward to Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous. The fact that you need to attack Star Citizen is also pretty hilarious, especially the part where you assumed he was buying it for the empire building.

It's like posting in an Apple vs Samsung thread, trying to reason with the defenders on this forum. Just accept that people are making their own decisions not to buy the game and go on looking forward to it - it's singleplayer, after all.

And yes, the shadenfreude is delicious.

Tarazu · Post by **Tarazu** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 12:41

We will just have to wait and take a look at the game in full scope like has been said. Bernd has said that a more extensive RTS control of capital fights is one of the things he would like to add. I really hope he can stop talking so much about OR support since it's clearly a "nice to have" not "need to have".

It's great that we finally get some concrete information on this since we now won't have unrealistic expectations. But as soon as the game is launched patching and modding WILL commence. It's true that a game that requires modding isn't a good game, but comparing to what's out there today I'll take what EGO throws at us for now. SC is one year away from beta and 2 years from release (if not delayed). In two years time XR will have solved the issues we are talking about here.

I'm not trying to be another fanboi here, my priority list puts commanding fleets and destroying corporations and taking over the galaxy high up. From what I've read I might have to wait a little for all this to be fully supported. I will build up my economic empire and fleets while I wait...

ThommoHawk · Post by **ThommoHawk** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 12:48

^ Hey everybody, I have good news! (pretending to be Hubert Farnsworth)

XRebirth is designed from the ground up to cater for a massive influx of NEW Egosoft gamers.

Existing gamers are welcomed and encouraged, but are probably not a priority. The Emphasis on GAME CONTROLLER play, for a PC game, I think, is a very important indicator of where the marketing push is.

Same with not being able to rename your character, ship, or stuff to suit yourself. And the emphasis on a 10 to 20 hour Plot. And the regular put-downs of existing features from the current games the old guard loves (and hates). "XRebirth is so much better, the old games are blah ...".

I think new players to the XRebirth Universe (we are all new to it but you know what I mean) will love this game (imo only). They will find it astounding. My advice to them is; don't play any of the existing XUniverse games before you play XRebirth and you won't miss a thing. Pay no heed to oldies such as myself who are sadly, pathetically ADDICTED to previous features and prone to dummy spits.

For the last seven years Egosoft has been re-inventing this new Universe, and has made 'irrevocable changes'. We have been warned.

So now Bernd will finally want 'feedback' from this mix of new gaurd/old guard gaming audience which will probably include more new gamers than existing ones.

I predict THAT will be a stampede. Everybody will have their own priorities. There will pandemonium. Thereshallbescorchedwings. Bernd is a brave lad for sure. I'm really curious what we will get with such a process. Two headed camel? or thoroughbred racehorse? Best space game in history?

I'm so happy with X3 Albion Prelude right now .... every day it looks better and better. But I'll be happier when my XRebirth gets here and I can really start to dig it.

Signed; ThommoHawk Ren Otani
current Commander of T.Hawk Pirate Carrack PBC Boarding Ops.

BinarySlave · Post by **BinarySlave** » Fri, 25. Oct 13, 13:39

Tarazu wrote: I really hope he can stop talking so much about OR support since it's clearly a "nice to have" not "need to have".

And exactly these are his own words. (see quote below)

Noimageavaiable wrote:I must admit I can't help but feel a certain schadenfreude at seeing the fanboy brigade struggle against the growing amount of dissent against His Most Holy Grace of our Lord and Savior, X Rebirth.

Bernd wrote: We have the glasses here, and love them. I know that they will fit perfectly to a game like X Rebirth. But choosing that feature first would be quite egotistical... I guess (yes I know the company name suggests that would be the obvious thing to do . Not many people have Oculus Rift kits yet, and I am sure fans will have lots of things they want us to add or change about X Rebirth once the game comes out, many of which we probably haven't thought about yet. The point is that we can not predict what people will want, and despite what we may want, we are looking forward to listening to their feedback.

This is part of the answer to the very first question! And yet most people here in this thread just read what they want to read and interpret it the way they want, just for the sake of moaning about things.

THIS IS CALLED TROLLING, guys!

Zaydin wrote: I have an honest question for Bahnosh, Hornet108, Noimage, and Demongornot: If you are so certain that X Rebirth is going to be terrible, why are you here on these forums? If you are so certain it's going to suck, just quit the Egosoft forums; there's no point being here if you have no intention of buying Rebirth and insult anyone who is excited for the game as a 'mindless fanboy'.

If you are so certain you are going to hate Rebirth, just leave the forums. You have the right to not like the changes Egosoft has made with X Rebirth, but you don't have the right to insult the people who do like the changes.

Exactly this.

It's unbelievable how much disrespect is shown here buy some people to very dedicated guys having been investing years of their life into this game alone. As of now it's 7 years of dedication, hardcore planning and braincell-juggling to make this game real.

I, and I know that I am not alone with this, simply can't allow some trolls, who have nothing else to do than to spit hate about something they even haven't played yet, to take over this forum.

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