[TOOL] Changeling - X3:TC Editor and Change Manager [v2.8.1 - Sa-07-May-2011]

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

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[Varek Raith]

I'm using EES 2.3, CMOD version and commonwealth M5s aren't spawning with weapons.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

I'm using EES 2.3, CMOD version and commonwealth M5s aren't spawning with weapons.

This kind of issue has been reported by various people numerous times and the solution has been the same...

A clean install seems to resolve the issues, not sure why but I can assure you the problem is not in the scripts themselves.

[Varek Raith]

I'm using EES 2.3, CMOD version and commonwealth M5s aren't spawning with weapons.

This kind of issue has been reported by various people numerous times and the solution has been the same...

A clean install seems to resolve the issues, not sure why but I can assure you the problem is not in the scripts themselves.

A clean install of the game? I just did all that and nothing. Argon, Boron, Paranid, Pirate, Split, Teladi and Yaki M5s just don't spawn with weapons. Xenon, Terran and ATF M5s do.
That's odd, because this is the same exact issue I had before. You released an updated script that fixed it. All releases after that and the problem returns.

Sorry for being such a pain in the ass.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

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A clean install of the game? I just did all that and nothing. Argon, Boron, Paranid, Pirate, Split, Teladi and Yaki M5s just don't spawn with weapons. Xenon, Terran and ATF M5s do.
That's odd, because this is the same exact issue I had before. You released an updated script that fixed it. All releases after that and the problem returns.

Sorry for being such a pain in the ass.

Well the correct version of the script I modified is included in the latest releases (just confirmed it). So if the problem went away last time after applying the updated script, there must be something else at work (probably a local configuration issue).

I would suggest creating a Changling session file using your game data and your currently installed EES configuration, then uploading it so that I can get an idea of how your EES configuration relates to your modded game.

In addition, please specify what other scripts and mods you are currently running.

[Antick952]

Standard m5's are fine for me but......
1 or 2 M5 pirate ships dont spawn with weapons (but have shields and missiles) but only on hard or very hard defence missions. And to furthur complicate matters some do eg of 4 M5's spawned 3 have weapons and 1 doesnt.

I had the M5/4 no weapon issue and did a clean install which fixed the problem but now it's back as stated above.I have used changling to alter the EES bias but only for Zenon weapons.

The Install has SRM,CMOD (both latest) and ware rebalance mod. Although not causing any major problems maybe this info might help you get to the bottom of the problem.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

Standard m5's are fine for me but......
1 or 2 M5 pirate ships dont spawn with weapons (but have shields and missiles) but only on hard or very hard defence missions.

Probably a stupid question, but what version of EES are you running with? (and are you running with any other scripts - EES v2.3 only affects Jobs/OBS ships, EES v2.1 only affects Jobs - without explicit modification)

[Antick952]

Sorry should of made it clear running EES 2.3 and the shipyard , weapon dealer and Factory scripts (from SRM/CMOD all latest versions) plus miltary suppliers job script (needed for latest SRM jobs) and the misslie boat turret overwrite.

I will try and reinstall from clean again today and see if that fixes it (using my altered EES biases) and with the standard biases if that doesnt work.

[apricotslice]

I just wondered where Changling was actually at, what it can and as yet cant do ?

I keep seeing posts about EES, dont have a clue what it is and dont really care so dont tell me.

I'm just waiting to hear that Changeling is ready for merging mods.

Are we there yet ?

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

I just wondered where Changling was actually at, what it can and as yet cant do ?

I keep seeing posts about EES, dont have a clue what it is and dont really care so dont tell me.

I'm just waiting to hear that Changeling is ready for merging mods.

Are we there yet ?

Thanks for the interest ... Changeling is still in development, at the moment there is only myself doing coding and I am having to balance my time working on it with other stuff.

My current road map is as follows:-

• Changeling v2.9 - basic editor version (ERD Soon)
• Changeling v2.10 - 1st mod package import and manual merge version
• Changeling v2.11 - 1st change package version

[Antick952]

Sorry should of made it clear running EES 2.3 and the shipyard , weapon dealer and Factory scripts (from SRM/CMOD all latest versions) plus miltary suppliers job script (needed for latest SRM jobs) and the misslie boat turret overwrite.

I will try and reinstall from clean again today and see if that fixes it (using my altered EES biases) and with the standard biases if that doesnt work.

Tried a fresh install still getting some Pirate M5's not spawning with weapons on Very Hard defence missions so doubtful it's the 8387 file (tried the origonal and a modified version with a fresh install for both).

[TrixX]

Err might want to check this out XModDiff by Cycrow

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

Err might want to check this out XModDiff by Cycrow

I am well aware of Cycrow's efforts as they are of mine... or at least should be aware - I did highlight potential overlaps soon after the initial post. As far as I am aware, Cycrow's tool is not on the same vein as Changeling and perhaps never will be.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

Sorry should of made it clear running EES 2.3 and the shipyard , weapon dealer and Factory scripts (from SRM/CMOD all latest versions) plus miltary suppliers job script (needed for latest SRM jobs) and the misslie boat turret overwrite.

I will try and reinstall from clean again today and see if that fixes it (using my altered EES biases) and with the standard biases if that doesnt work.

Tried a fresh install still getting some Pirate M5's not spawning with weapons on Very Hard defence missions so doubtful it's the 8387 file (tried the origonal and a modified version with a fresh install for both).

Can you upload a changeling session so I can assess what test cases may not be covered (if any).

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

Sorry should of made it clear running EES 2.3 and the shipyard , weapon dealer and Factory scripts (from SRM/CMOD all latest versions) plus miltary suppliers job script (needed for latest SRM jobs) and the misslie boat turret overwrite.

I will try and reinstall from clean again today and see if that fixes it (using my altered EES biases) and with the standard biases if that doesnt work.

Tried a fresh install still getting some Pirate M5's not spawning with weapons on Very Hard defence missions so doubtful it's the 8387 file (tried the origonal and a modified version with a fresh install for both).

Can you upload a changeling session so I can assess what test cases may not be covered (if any).

I have had a brief look at the session you sent me and nothing really sticks out thus far. What would be a little more telling is what class(es) of M5 did you notice the issue with?

[Antick952]

M5's that do spawn with weapons
Pirate Harrier and Vanguard/Raider varients
Pirate Discoverer Vanguard

M5's that dont spawn with weapons
Pirate Harrier Hauler
Pirate Discoverer and Hauler/Raider varients

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

M5's that do spawn with weapons
Pirate Harrier and Vanguard/Raider varients
Pirate Discoverer Vanguard

M5's that dont spawn with weapons
Pirate Harrier Hauler
Pirate Discoverer and Hauler/Raider varients

Ok, I think I may have identified the root cause, but it should not be happening... will release an update with-in the next 24 hrs.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

(Diverted from IR:CE thread so as to keep that thread on topic)

Pirate Privateeer patrols. It is really strange but leader ship usually has no weapons, or has something like 40 pieces of mass driver (without ammo), his escorts are quipped ok (they are from JobWings I think). Perhaps - reason may be in pirate hidden status, as it may be tricky sometimes

Hmmm... that should not cause the issue you are describing, at worst the affected ship should be equiped according to their "pretend" race.

Split military Elephants that travel mostly in north-east sectors, also leading ship non equipped.

This seems weird, probably the best thing to do is to upload a Changeling session file created from your modded game so that I can try to identify why this might be the case.

I havent looked at the code, but mentioned bugs appear in both EES and CWP (unless there are some leftovers from EES that can influence CWP, but i removed everything)

The issue is probably a CWP legacy issue persisting in EES (afterall EES was originally evolved from CWP). I am endeavouring to resolve these issues so appropriate feedback is essential.

[Litcube]

I read the IRL:CE thread.

If you have EES installed, and then install CWP, you're not going to get a controlled environment to find out which package is causing the issues.

Most ships in the game are going to be setup with whatever you had installed first.

I haven't noticed any ships installed without weapons in my own game, CWP, which I've been playing for weeks now. It's easy enough to run an array check and find any ships in the universe with no weapons. If I find anything, I'l report back.

I do noticed some bigger ships are less equipped than EES, but that's all in the rolls:

EES: Laser: 60-100
CWP: Laser: 10-100

I just thought it would add a little variety.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

I do noticed some bigger ships are less equipped than EES, but that's all in the rolls:

EES: Laser: 60-100
CWP: Laser: 10-100

I just thought it would add a little variety.

I will consider moving these parameters into the configuration file(s). I will also look at a CWP back-port of the lib.Gen.EquipShip script (so it becomes the user's choice which they wish to use - conversly I will send you an EES --> CWP compatability script)