Steam Launch of Patch...When is this going to happen? (A. Now!)

[Targ Collective]

It's the 7th tomorrow, not today (at least here in the UK) - there's another couple of hours yet.

[jbigg]

Steam user removes hind tit from mouth and says:

I guess we're waiting until Tuesday

[Free Trade Inn]

However, Steam is still apparently on the original timetable, so if you have a problem with that, it's Steam who you should be complaining to, since Egosoft has no say whatsoever in their operations, beyond pleading.

Again just to clarify I am not complaining about the problem per say nor am I having ago at ES, who in a bad situation that was not there fault, have done the best that could be expected, but this is of no help to the customers who arnt as patient.

The whole point is that steam in its present arrangement with ES needs IMHO reconsidering in terms of flexability.

I know people who can make a difference are reading this and hands up I dont have the answers. I know people are scratching there heads over trying to minimise the posibility of this happerning again, but not every customer has this faith.

I really hope the next project gets the revenue from X3TC that it will no doubt deserve as ES get things right most of the time (Yup ES fan here), but I often find that the thing that puts customers off are these so called necesary evils of for example steam or the other thing that we dare not mention -you know <whispers>...........

FTI

[goodgimp]

The problem with Steam is that there is a Steam wrapper that goes around the executables. Take a look at your desktop shortcut for X3, you'll see that it doesn't even load the X3:TC exe directly. Instead, it calls into Steam, which then loads the app, etc.

I like Steam and all, but it is one reason I really wish Egosoft would distribute via Impulse. It's a much, much lighter distribution channel and since they don't muck with the .exe's it means that standard patches can be applied.

If they end up selling this game through Impulse I'll probably end up buying it again, just to get around the Steam hassles.

[Musicker]

All I can say is that without Steam, we in the US would not have gotten TC last year, we would just now be able to obtain the game via Gamestop, etc.

Steam may have a few issues and may not be as speedy as we'd like, but I for one can wait an extra day or three for the expansion, remembering that I did indeed get to purchase the game last year, at basically the same time it came out in Europe.

Musicker

[Nanook]

Thats like saying if I pay you to build me a house and YOU decide to hire a subcontractor to do the work and he doesnt do it, that it is my fault.

No, it's not. Steam, or any publisher doesn't work for Egosoft. It's the other way around. The publishers front the money and Egosoft produces the product they agree to sell. It's the publishers that have all the control, not the small developers like Egosoft.

[Targ Collective]

That stinks! Where's the freedom of artistic vision? I'd bet there'd be far less bugs floating around if Egosoft had that control.

[phoenix-it]

The problem is that Americans are force-fed the idea that they should have instant gratification. (I'm speaking as an American myself.) Television commercials are always telling us we need this and we deserve to have it now. In fact I can think of one right now where the tag line is, "It's my money and I need it NOW!" Patience is lost on a lot of us when it comes to being a consumer... The Steam version of the game was instant gratification when we bough it and now some of us are unhappy that Steam no longer provides that.



Just relax guys... I'm waiting like the rest of you. You do know that you can still play the 1.4 version of the game, right?

[whiteknightr1]

Checked again and no luck with the patch. The anticipation is worse than playing the damn game.lol I guess all you can do is be patient all good things come to those who wait..and wait..and wait..Yes i can still play v1.4 but i want to play V2.0 darn it!!! Well i hope it's worth the wait i have a feeling it will be..

[Mightysword]

Well as said we're not supposed to getting it 'till tomorrow anyway, so I don't mind much. (Even though I gonna play after this post).



This is a situation when thing "can be better", but certainly not "worse than intended" so again I don't find a reason to complain, not yet anyway.

[vonotto]

Thats like saying if I pay you to build me a house and YOU decide to hire a subcontractor to do the work and he doesnt do it, that it is my fault.

No, it's not. Steam, or any publisher doesn't work for Egosoft. It's the other way around. The publishers front the money and Egosoft produces the product they agree to sell. It's the publishers that have all the control, not the small developers like Egosoft.

Except Steam is not fronting any money. They work on sales of a product already produced and only sent to them to distribute online. They have NO cost layout what so ever. Once uploaded to steam they make money off sales of a product that there is no physical object to copy or ship. They have no distribution network or trucks to pay for or fuel to buy.

[Nanook]

Thats like saying if I pay you to build me a house and YOU decide to hire a subcontractor to do the work and he doesnt do it, that it is my fault.

No, it's not. Steam, or any publisher doesn't work for Egosoft. It's the other way around. The publishers front the money and Egosoft produces the product they agree to sell. It's the publishers that have all the control, not the small developers like Egosoft.

Except Steam is not fronting any money. They work on sales of a product already produced and only sent to them to distribute online. They have NO cost layout what so ever. Once uploaded to steam they make money off sales of a product that there is no physical object to copy or ship. They have no distribution network or trucks to pay for or fuel to buy.

So you must think their network and server costs are minimal. Trust me, they're not. Just try to get your ISP to give you a single T3 connection and see what that runs you. And Steam's network bandwidth has to be orders of magnitude larger than that to accomodate hundreds of thousands, even millions, of users.

As for fronting money, they're not really a publisher in this case, just a retailer, like all the other 'brick' retailers. Presumably, the only one fronting money is the original publisher, Deepsilver. As such, it wouldn't surprise me if it was Deepsilver who is/was dealing with Steam, not Egosoft.

[Rapier]

But you paid Steam, not Egosoft. In your analogy, you paid the builders (Steam) who went to a contractor (Egosoft) to provide a pre-fabricated house. The house was delivered a couple of days early but you can't live in it until the builders have connected up the water and electricity.

There, that's one analogy stretched to breaking point.

[vonotto]

Ok I just posted as some others have. I did not post to have the mods "circle the wagons" against someone with a difference of opinion.

[Nanook]

There's no 'circling of the wagons'. We, as in mods who are just players like you, not Egosoft employees, are simply trying to explain why things are as they are.

[palm911]

i heard steem employees are actually boron , ...

[vonotto]

Nanook.....I have no prob with you, I was simply tired of all the people who have been posting (Mods included) who have no clear picture of what is really going on in the background with egosoft/steam but are full of answers as to why things have/have not been done.

[Nanook]

i heard steem employees are actually boron , ...

And CBJ is a Xenon, so beware! You could be 'terraformed' at any time.

[palm911]

i heard steem employees are actually boron , ...

And CBJ is a Xenon, so beware! You could be 'terraformed' at any time.

i got a couple of sweet Tyr waiting for CBJ with flower guns in their turrets.

i decided to kill the borons, since they are relatives of steam employees. i will go and claim their space

[phoenix-it]

Keep playing 1.4!

I capped two Galleons and a Brigantine this afternoon. I got 12 Cluster Flak, 7 PAC, 25 CIG and 27 IBLs from them... And about a 140M in used ship sales.

Now I'm going to buy a Shrike with 8 Falcon Haulers for a system patrol.