Challenge - Will you win an infogame on the Internet?

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Challenge - Will you win an infogame on the Internet?

Post by BeidAmmikon »

The idea came while playing Syberia 2. Strange game, and a beautiful one, but I admit I cheated to total loss of pleasure. Then, while playing a particular quest in X3:TC.
You are to discover and jump between some names and words, hidden in plain view on various web pages, all the way to the conclusion.
Although not this is the goal of this particular game sequence, the meaning of it is to show that information can be hidden in plain view and accessed by corroborating disparate pieces at any moment. If one knows where to look, that is.
You are thereby invited to take part in this game. Your prize will be your correct answers, related to one another. Then you may boast to your friends, and possibly contribute to spreading this infogame and other such sequences.
Anyway, for a serious "match" you have to provide all the info that's needed to know you've not cheated. Imagine that at the endpoint is valuable info, you might not want to lose it, would you?
So, let's get started. The "FISRT!" will get a random prize from the Internet. And the prize will not be shared :P

1. Finding the selected article on the popular encyclopedia, one goes then opposite to the clock. On the dial, unique among its peers, we number the number of the last star that marks Ursa Major, which also reminds us the end point, or level, of the Homeric age
2. The closest sea to it is first and foremost related to the most celebrated Imperial hero, whose incomplete name will complete this little circle of names of letters and numbers
3. Searching for their meaning, one finds that letters can be transformed into something simpler, for others to enjoy them from a distance
4. As such, changing the starting letter of this alphabet could make you mad, because old men are involved; they do not ride, nor are they part of a close-knit family. Now, who might they be? I am astonished myself, but I wonder in Latin, so the whale in the sky could be of great help here
5. Ascending from it with just an elementary piece of ancient science, used both in square and circular establishments, one gets to 15 at the end of a logical sequence
6. Searching for deers using this number patiently and wisely we are reminded of solidarity
7. One of their women has a very beautiful and elaborate Mec4D profile. Not long after finding her, we find out that she has marked a part of her work with the name of a popular entertainer (here we would think about the ocean again)
8. Not everything he does is minor, alright. We are such stuff as stars are made on, after all
9. Well, maybe not after all, but just minutes after nothing. One guy related to wine and mountains had something to say about this
10. That guy surrounded by precious metals looks to the West. I wonder if he's watching the sunset
11. Wonderful colours, the sunset comes with. Well now - do you think you have something here? Careful in leaving this place you should be: rush would be ridiculous, but not misplaced at all
12. No, we're not in Kansas anymore, and we definitely speak sunrise here
13. A tough road led us to the stars. By now we should know all the names and words on the 13 steps that brought us here, and should be able to orderly explain how we got to learn them, their nature and meaning.

Edited: "end point", not "start point" of the Homeric age
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Whut?
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Post by CBJ »

I concur. Admittedly I'm tired and my brain isn't functioning at 100%, but I've read through the above three times and I still have no clue what the challenge actually is.
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eh?
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Post by Gavrushka »

That's one exquisitely torturous post.... Trying to string together a meaning is a bit like trying to build a tower by balancing sand grains on top of each other..

Could you rephrase BeidAmmikon, my IQ falls just short of the required 150 I am afraid...
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Post by BeidAmmikon »

Obviously you've not played Syberia... And I've cheated the Treasure Hunt in X3:TC myself (why Think for a loooong time?), so no big deal if you don't understand what you have to do. I, too, did not know what the "puzzle" was referring to in TH. But I cheated and got the prize.

Here's the solution to 1:
"Finding the selected article on the popular encyclopedia, one goes then opposite to the clock. On the dial, unique among its peers, we number the number of the last star that marks Ursa Major, which also reminds us the end point, or level, of the Homeric age"
The "popular encyclopedia" is Wikipedia. The "selected article" is, well, their article on "selected". Now, see the "clock" on the right of its page? Well, on its "dial" you go counterclockwise ("opposite to the clock") and get to the seventh (7 stars in Big Dipper=Ursa Major, and the "last star" is actually the 7th, is it not?) unique name for a biologic entity. 7 is also the archaeological level of Troy, the one at which the remnants of the city where the Homeric age ended were found.
That's the way of advancing in this. Not too hard, I'd say. Creepy and hard nevertheless, but a bit of knowledge (say, popular culture) + a bit of Internet is all that it takes to advance. Syberia 2 and Treasure Hunt are more hermetical and narrow in scope, believe me. After all, not all games are for everyone.

If nothing else, this game will show how one can deliver information by using information that's already available. For example, imagine you're a spy who's got to communicate something, a keyword let's say, or even a larger message, but you do not want to use classical means of delivering messages. So, you might very well go to an editable site of your choice, edit a page that you have chosen with your boss, and he knows that at a specified hour, your keyword will be there. Got it now? Good. Now, play on. :)
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Post by Gavrushka »

- Ah, I do understand, but I suffered irrepairable damage on the journey... Where's the emoticon for an exploded head when you need one?
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Post by Nyax »

There are only two explanations i can think of to account for this horrificlly badly explained, cryptic-to-the-point-of-meaningless, competition-

1) BeidAmmikon is one or more of the following- drunk/ concussed/ stoned.
or
2) BeidAmmikon is a Vorlon.

Or maybe it's both.
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Post by BeidAmmikon »

OK, OK... here's the solutions.

1. Finding the selected article on the popular encyclopedia, one goes then opposite to the clock. On the dial, unique among its peers, we number the number of the last star that marks Ursa Major, which also reminds us the start point, or level, of the Homeric age
Solution: The "popular encyclopedia" is Wikipedia. The "selected article" is, well, their article on "selected". Now, see the "clock" on the right of its page? Well, on its "dial" you go counterclockwise ("opposite to the clock") and get to the seventh (7 stars in Big Dipper=Ursa Major, and the "last star" is actually the 7th, is it not?) unique name for a biologic entity (2 groups of Shigella-#1, 4 of E. coli-#2, 3 of Salmonella-#3, 3 of Yersinia-#4, 1 of Photorabdus-#5, 3 of Buchnera-#6, and the 7th "unique among its peers" is Wigglesworthia). 7 is also the archaeological level of Troy, the one at which the remnants of the city where the Homeric age ended were found.
2. The closest sea to it is first and foremost related to the most celebrated Imperial hero, whose incomplete name will complete this little circle of names of letters and numbers
Solution: The closest sea to it (to Troy) is the Aegean Sea. The Empire most people think of is the Roman Empire, and its most celebrated hero is Aeneas, who also came from Troy. They are related through the first letters in their names (AE). His incomplete name (Aenea) is a palindrome, thus "completing" the circle of names, letters and numbers.
3. Searching for their meaning, one finds that letters can be transformed into something simpler, for others to enjoy them from a distance
Solution: Letters (A, B, C and so on) can be transformed into something simpler: what is more simple than points and lines, aka the Morse code, to enjoy them from a distance (this "alphabet" was used in telegraph communication)
4. As such, changing the starting letter of this alphabet could make you mad, because old men are involved; they do not ride, nor are they part of a close-knit family. Now, who might they be? I am astonished myself, but I wonder in Latin, so the whale in the sky could be of great help here
Solution: changing the starting letter of this alphabet (M, that is, not A) could lead you to other words, like: Horse, Norse. "Old men" are involved, so these are not "Horsemen", not "Morsemen". So they are the Norsemen, men of old. If I wonder of this change of letter, the "whale in the sky" could be of help. I wondered in Latin, so the "whale in the sky" is the constellation Cetus. And "Mira" is the Latin word for "astonishing" and "wonderful".
5. Ascending from it with just an elementary piece of ancient science, used both in square and circular establishments, one gets to 15 at the end of a logical sequence
Solution: "Ascending" from Cetus (its right ascension is 1.42) with the elementary piece of science, used in square (pyramids) and circular buildings (this is the number PI, 3.14) one gets to 1.42+3.14=4.56, so 15 is at the "end" of this sequence (the sum of 4, 5, 6)
6. Searching for deers using this number patiently and wisely we are reminded of solidarity
Solution: Searching for "deers" on Wikipedia we try to associate 15 with something on that page. We see there 15 coats of arms, and the 15th has been used in Poland - which reminds us of "Solidarity" - the union that brought down Communism there.
7. One of their women has a very beautiful and elaborate Mec4D profile. Not long after finding her, we find out that she has marked a part of her work with the name of a popular entertainer (here we would think about the ocean again)
Solution: The Polish woman (one of "their" women) with the profile can be sought after on the net, just search for "Mec4D" and you shall find her name. On her site, a digital character is named "Moby" - which is also the name of a popular "entertainer"
8. Not everything he does is minor, alright. We are such stuff as stars are made on, after all
Solution: Not everything that he did (his albums) is not "minor", as one of the albums is titled "18". For further help, one of the pieces on this album is called "We are all made of stars"
9. Well, maybe not after all, but just minutes after nothing. One guy related to wine and mountains had something to say about this
Solution: "after all" is common to steps 8 and 9. "All" is literally everything, aka the Universe. "Just minutes" after nothing are the well-known expression "The first three minutes of the Universe", and one guy related to "wine" and "mountains" had something to say about it: one guy Weinberg, that is, you'll find his book listed at the end of the article about the Universe also on Wikipedia.
10. That guy surrounded by precious metals looks to the West. I wonder if he's watching the sunset
Solution: Clicking on Weinberg you find that he is a Nobel laureate. The guy surrounded by metals (the Nobel medal) is Nobel himself, and he's looking toward the West (where the Sun sets).
11. Wonderful colours, the sunset comes with. Well now - do you think you have something here? Careful in leaving this place you should be: rush would be ridiculous, but not misplaced at all
Solution: Look up "Sunset" also on Wikipedia. This point is phrased like Yoda would do: "wonderful colours, the sunset comes with". But Yoda himself is not exactly what we search for. Look him up also.
12. No, we're not in Kansas anymore, and we definitely speak sunrise here
Solution: Yoda was portrayed by Frank Oz, and the Wizard of Oz was definitely "not in Kansas anymore". Looking up "Kansas" we find that the sunrise is depicted onto their seal
13. A tough road led us to the stars. By now we should know all the names and words on the 13 steps that brought us here, and should be able to orderly explain how we got to learn them, their nature and meaning.
Solution: What's their motto? "Ad astra per aspera". Click on these words: several other arrangements are found for this motto, of which one is "Per aspera ad astra", or "through adversity to the stars" or sometimes even "a rough road leads to the stars". And 13 is the number of the stripes on the flag of USA, along with the stars.

That'd be all. :)
I agree it was poorly explained = the only requirement was "each step is related to the previous" and "thou shalt use Wikipedia and Google or whatever and look at the first entries". But from here to me being stoned or worse... c'mon guys. Is it better to be handed the answers on a plate? Well, I am willing to take part in your sequences modeled like this one, so you may bring them on. Just to take your revenge on me :P
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eh??
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Post by Gavrushka »

Oh I didn't think it was possible, but my head exploded again... There's just a bit of spinal column sticking up from the tatty remnants of a neck with a pair of glazed over eyes hanging precariously from a bit of gristle.
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Post by Nyax »

No offence BeidAmmikon, but if you opened that up to everyone on the planet, i'd be impressed if you got more then a couple of correct responses. The clues are just far, far too obscure, and are reliant on people making exactly the same logical leaps that you do, even though there's no reason why people would.
Take clue 2 for example "Imperial hero" is suppsed to lead us to the Roman empire because and i quote "The empire most people think of is the Roman empire" Well what if you don't immediately think of the roman empire? What about the considerably larger, more widespread and recent British empire? or the Ottoman empire? Hell even the ficticious Romulan Star empire.

Even after it's explained i still don't understand the relevance of going 7 increments backwards around that evolution diagram is, since theoretically you get 7 from the big dipper* and can potentially get troy from your Homeric age clue. What does Wigglesworthia have to do with anything?

*(which reminds me ursa major DOES NOT = The big dipper (which for the record is called the plough in the UK). The big dipper is just a small section of the constellation.)
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Well now, let's not behave as if this was not a.. game, or a peculiar distraction of sorts (which everyone can ignore or try its hand at it), but a difficult test with a valuable prize given by a harsh teacher that deserves to be badmouthed. It was an innocent exercise in knowledge and as Nyax said, culturally biased. So this trait only disqualifies it as an IQ test, which is definitely not.
As for 7, well, it was at the starting point and wanted to make sure people get the number right in order to advance.
Logical leaps you say. Well, I wouldn't go that far, as it's all about jumping here and there randomly using (not connecting) disparate pieces of info. Seen as a whole, no, these steps don't make sense. But as an exercise in personal info and... neuronal resilience, it's fine :P
This idea actually came from: Syberia 2, the Treasure Hunt missions in TC, and the Connections TV series. I'd be more interested not in taking flame, but in who has actually tried to advance. That's about all, why all the fuss I say.
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Post by Usenko »

"Big Dipper" in Australia generally means "Roller coaster". Yes, we are vaguely aware of a constellation by that name, but it is far beyond our vision. So not only is your puzzle reliant on people making the same logical leaps, it wouldn't even be possible for a logic champion from the Southern Hemisphere, unless he or she frequently travels north . . .
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Post by BeidAmmikon »

Yep Usenko, but the hint said "Ursa Major", whereas "Big Dipper" was in the solution I gave, and as such it had no influence whatsoever on the hint itself.
Anyway, I guess it's even harder to build such a sequence that would be independent of ~any culture. Would anyone care to build one, for a change? I've only a million neurons left and I have to... :gruebel:
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Ah, right. Ursa Major is at least unambiguous. Sorry, didn't read properly. :)
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