so iv heard patch 2.5 is out for devnet5 or somthing!!!! (Now With Changelog!)

[Cabrelbeuk]

You'll never get answer if you're so direct. It's like asking a shy girl out, you've got to tiptoe around the subject, allure with the aroma of fresh pancakes, ask about plans for the weekend and whether they involve beta testing. You know, bat your eyelids a bit, feign conversational interest and smile charmingly. If you go straight for jackpot they just clam up into the default shivering frigid state of shock. Granted, the sweet talking method hasn't had the slightest success either but you live in hope. Oh, German forum once got a "not today, not tomorrow" - practically a peck on the cheek.

Show me you waaaaaares, pleaaaase ?

[YorrickVander]

and to tell a captain to refuel automatically

*quietly makes a note for "thing to remove from YAT mod"
Cheers linola

[Scoob]

Hopefully, once 2.5 is in public beta, they'll allow an equally long time for us volunteers to test, report issues and, hopefully, have them addressed for re-testing.

Myself, along with many others have spent a LOT of time documenting bugs, steps to re-create & uploading supporting saves for the devs (where a save records the issue) quite often for the public update to be released anyway despite some quite glaring issues.

I think getting a larger group to test each release is a fantastic thing, it exposes the build to a huge variety of hardware and software, drivers etc. and can only make the product better

Anyway, I'd love to see the PB for 2.5 in time for the weekend (it's supposed to be miserable in my part of the UK, so I'll not be out and about so much lol) but if not, that's cool too, cos there's always pancakes...

Scoob.

[Saquavin]

I totally agree with your statement Scoob, but whereas you understand the patch can breaks your saves and your game experience, some people will not read the disclaimer and then rage because of that.
If I remember a DEV have spoken about that before.

I don't think there are some "secret" stuff in the incoming patch but the difficulty to access it right now (Devnet NDA or something) suppose authorized people are aware enough of the risk.
Easy accessibility via steam beta means people not aware of the risk, and will rage even if they have been warned.

Modern society and risk prevention...

[YorrickVander]

I'm gonna hold up CCPs 6 week develpoment model again as an example here because it is working so well for them :

* State goals for the 6 week scrum, gather feedback while developing.
* Week 4 - pubic testing and more feedback. Announce any features planned that will be pushed back to next 6 week scrum as not ready.
* Change/fix according to QA, pubilc test + feedback.
* Week 6 release.
* At all times - do not take into account the tiny minority that take a wild imaginary ride akin to lewis carrol and the rabbit hole, then cry for hours on the forums because it didn't happen the way the mad hatter said it would.

What CCP have achieved with this is happy customers receiving regular content and bug fix releases without the pressure of small features holding back larger projects as stated in roadmaps. ES seem scared that releasing any info will cause panic and confusion if some things are not ready. This is not true except for that small minority which will find some other way to kick up a fuss regardless.

/opinion off

Modern society and risk prevention...

Well if making the password "IBackedUpMySaves" is not warning enough that public beta may be unstable I say let evolution run it's course.

[Miniding]

I agree with you 2... Even if the warnings are very well described on the beta forum... even if the passcode to access a beta is very clear... some will do think they haven't been warn....

Anyway, anyhow, always make a copy of your savegames before openning them with new release, even in public access as I do everytime a patch is up and you'll never get trouble...

A before week end release, as to say today, would be great!

But still wait...

[Xenon_Slayer]

We're still hard at work on 2.50 and have just released another private beta for L5 DevNet. Of course we want it to get to public beta soon but just not quite yet. Still, I'm able to pass the changelog as it stands right now.

Enjoy.

2.50 Pre-Public Beta Changelog

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• New Feature: New side-bar based main menu (with option for legacy main menu.)
• New Feature: External camera view.
• New Feature: Free look in cockpit.
• New Feature: New shipyards for small and medium sized ships.
• Added respawning of specialists with increasing hire fees.
• Added incoming remotely ordered wares to item trader menu.
• Added auto-refuel setting.
• Added small ship traders.
• Added primary shields to large ships which did not already have them.
• Added "civil war" behaviour between Pluatrch and Heart of Albion in Albion.
• Added ability to replace destroyed CVs so that station construction can can continue.
• Added event monitor display to drone control mode.
• Improved event monitor with "picture-in-picture" mode.
• Improved hacking gameplay.
• Improved engine animation and effects.
• Improved ship AI behaviour in numerous situations.
• Improved generation of mission enemies.
• Improved mission target indicator to point always to the closest mission target.
• Improved trade offers menu (shopping list is included in ship cargo).
• Improved docking behaviour of drones.
• Improved build tree menu user experience.
• Improved several mission briefings.
• Improved Open Comm Link menu in legacy main menu.
• Improved rendering of distant objects to reduce flickering slightly.
• Improved Mission Bar so it no longer obstructs menus.
• Fixed player ship cover faction not being reset from Xenon after plot.
• Fixed several plot and other mission issues.
• Fixed player ship slowing down when a menu is opened in a highway.
• Fixed left mouse clicks not closing ability/interact menus in some cases.
• Fixed double clicks on current target not always opening interact menu.
• Fixed stuck scroll-bar when returning to a previous menu.
• Fixed various other issues with UI and targeting behaviour.
• Fixed pressing ESC/DEL on loading screen returning to startmenu after loading is done.
• Fixed targets being lost with mouse-controls in certain cases (e.g. when mission targets update).
• Fixed upgrade resources being counted twice for building.
• Fixed upgrade level rounding issues resulting in incorrect upgrade counts.
• Fixed an issue with station expansions not completing out-of-sector.
• Fixed multiple ship dealers per platform.
• Fixed escort ships disappearing after loading a savegame.
• Fixed a pathing issue for ships flying to stations.
• Fixed an issue with gas collectors not collecting.
• Fixed production module animations being stuck after having been out-of-sector.
• Fixed problems with transport drones not picking up containers.
• Fixed drones failing to get a new commander if theirs is destroyed.
• Fixed ability to comm from a remote control drone using the "C" shortcut.
• Fixed stuck shift keys when alt-tabbing or changing window focus.
• Fixed inconsistent upgrade counts between encyclopedia and ship dealer.
• Fixed player ship selectable in Assign to Commander conversation.
• Fixed managers pestering the player for money.
• Fixed stuck trade offers and refunded money to all participants.
• Fixed excessively bright lights on certain objects.
• Fixed problem involving disappearing wares.
• Fixed input actions and states mapped to axis on joystick 3-8 not working.
• Fixed several of the most common causes of crashes.
• Fixed mining drones not picking up asteroids in some cases.
• Fixed rare cases of hotkey buttons not working.
• Fixed occasional freeze when opening the options menu.
• Fixed ships getting stuck waiting for drones.
• Fixed some ships not shooting at large objects.
• Fixed certain invisible ship/station components being selectable as target.
• Various optimisations resulting in performance improvements.

[YorrickVander]

./tiphat Xenon_Slayer

[Saquavin]

Awesome !

[Sparky Sparkycorp]

Oooh, shiney. Nice one

Desired added features, civil war, many improvements and potentially new sinks for the economy.

[Marcus Aseth]

Ren Otani would be like:

show me your patch,pleaase!
show me your patch,pleaase!
show me your patch,pleaase!
show me your patch,pleaase!
show me your patch,pleaase!
show me your patch,pleaase!

Show me your skills!

[Marcus Aseth]

sorry for double post,but I have to highlight this since is hidden on the bottom

Various optimisations resulting in performance improvements.

[Sparky Sparkycorp]

Split say, never double-post again!

Only kidding, enjoy the moment

[Miniding]

Thank you xenonslayer!!! after 40 pages of pancakes, finally we got a REAL info!!! And what an info!!!!!
A pre release patch content!!!!!

WTF!! it sounds very great... but don't wait too much to release it

Thanks again for infos!!!!

[Darrosquall]

Wondrous. This is the real 2.0. This is X:Rebirth at best.

[werewolves?]

So can we expect to be playing it this weekend or more soon™?

You'll never get answer if you're so direct. It's like asking a shy girl out, you've got to tiptoe around the subject, allure with the aroma of fresh pancakes, ask about plans for the weekend and whether they involve beta testing. You know, bat your eyelids a bit, feign conversational interest and smile charmingly. If you go straight for jackpot they just clam up into the default shivering frigid state of shock. Granted, the sweet talking method hasn't had the slightest success either but you live in hope. Oh, German forum once got a "not today, not tomorrow" - practically a peck on the cheek.

When u got it u got it.

ty X_S and Ego, looking good.

[Nekrobob]

Then u can release X-RB,finally.



btw. can i use my Savegames with it?

[Mackan]

• New Feature: External camera view.
• New Feature: Free look in cockpit.
• New Feature: New shipyards for small and medium sized ships.

Awesome! At this rate the foundation will be feature complete soon! j/k

Keep up the good work!

Wait, isn't the main menu the silly radial menu? If so then HOLY SHIT

[JClosed]

Then u can release X-RB,finally.



btw. can i use my Savegames with it?

It is still beta, so I would not count on it...

In theory it should be possible, but it's not guaranteed in beta testing.

Especially if you are running mods it is possible you get weird behavior (even with mods disabled or removed, because those mods can modify your saved games). So IF you want to load previous saved games it is strongly advisable to do this from an vanilla game (and in an vanilla beta game)!

Also - As told with the beta testing announcements, you have to back-up your original saved games to be safe.

[Darrosquall]

New Feature: New shipyards for small and medium sized ships

next stage should be "drive all the ships". No sense don't give the possibility, they have to "built" the cockpits, and there it is.