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Post by mark_a_condren » Sat, 18. Sep 10, 07:30

lettuceman44 wrote:This just adds another dynamic element to the universe!

Quick question, what is Universal Banking? I did a google search and it just gave me this topic :P
Universal Banking was to be the 3rd part of Stock Exchange then i decided to break it out into it's own stand alone script. However, due to a persitant bug in the 'Sell Station' part of it, 'Universal Banking' has not been released in it's stand alone version yet. It will be, but i've take a short break from scripting on it to be able to come back at it fresh.

Sorry for the inconvienience, but i wasn't going to release something that i knew had a bad bug in it. There are a few limited testers using it but they are aware of the bug and can avoid it. This is so any other issues that come up can be addressed at the same time.

EDIT:
As for what it is, It allows you to create 'Bank Accounts' to keep credits deposited in rather than spread your extra credits around stations and risk loosing it if the station is destroyed. These account earn you interest on the deposited credits, interest is calculated on a variable rate between 2% and 4% depending on the toltal credits you have. These accounts can also be linked to the 'Station Credit Management' part of the script to monitor and maintain a specified min or max amount at your monitored stations.
It also allows you to take out credit loans or Morgage a ship or station that you own. It will also allow you to sell stations you no longer want to the bank (when i fix the bug!) for a percentage of their value, approx 80%. These stations are then onsold to the general public, but normally bought by the race that controls the sector they are in. So they just become another station in the universe for you to trade with as any other NPC station.

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Post by XanII » Sat, 18. Sep 10, 16:36

Noticed in the script: Yaki stock exchange is tough...really tough. Impossibly tough. :p If one can make bucks here with comissions then you got to be good or very lucky. :)

Meanwhile, Pirate anarchy port seems to be a easy place to make money. bet on the near 100 index items en masse and you get quite easy returns even with comissions.
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Post by mark_a_condren » Sat, 18. Sep 10, 17:18

XanII

:P You know what? I'm kicken outta here tonight, gunna fire up "Blue" (my game pc) and i'm just gunna play for a few hours. Your gettin far more fun outta the script than i am, that's not on!! and i'm not going anywhere near the SE while i'm playing.

Gunna try my hand at some share trading, might even venture into the Yaki exchange with commissions 'On'. 8)

Catchya on the trading floor ....


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Post by XanII » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 13:47

mark_a_condren wrote:XanII

:P You know what? I'm kicken outta here tonight, gunna fire up "Blue" (my game pc) and i'm just gunna play for a few hours. Your gettin far more fun outta the script than i am, that's not on!! and i'm not going anywhere near the SE while i'm playing.

Gunna try my hand at some share trading, might even venture into the Yaki exchange with commissions 'On'. 8)

Catchya on the trading floor ....


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Today was a black sunday for me. (i guess in X-world the stock exchange is open on sundays :P ). Tore up my paper slips and tossed them on the stock exchange floor.

Sold of all my 'long' bets that didnt play well. they were in a way similar to the PSP transaction, some of them were even worse as some of their indexes went to 125 or more. i.e. there was suddenly more supply than demand. perhaps GOD spilling his beans over this.

Nevertheless it is possible to lose money too. It aint just unicorns and rainbows with the stock exchange.

Stay tuned mark, i think i now have enough knowledge how this works to write you a starters primer for this script so new users can get a quicker hold on it. While writing my Heavy Corvette guides i learnt to keep on looking for facts until im fairly sure nobody will immediately tell me im wrong. :P
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Trade primer for new stock brokers

Post by XanII » Thu, 23. Sep 10, 08:30

Title: Trade primer for new stock brokers
Author: XanII
Script:TC Stock Exchange "The Evolution of a Financial Revolution" V4


GETTING STARTED

This small guide is meant for new players trying out the TC Stock Exchange "The Evolution of a Financial Revolution" Version 4 - script. It assumes you have read and understood the basics of setting up the script explained by the script author mark_a_condren here: http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=280559&start=0

It is strongly recommended to have the stock exchange script assigned to a specific key on the keyboard. I have it assigned to one of the keys left of my backspace key. This allows frequent use of the stock menu without the need to go via your ship consoles "special commands" - section to reach it.

As a default I have setup the script to have 5% commissions activated. However I will also take into account in this primer what happens when commissions are deactivated. In some cases this has a decisive effect on the outcome as the 5% commissions are applied every time you BUY or SELL something, so at a minimum you take a 10% hit when commissions are activated.
I recommend having commissions disabled only if you think you are not that very good with quick calculations in your head and you are not going to think much about what you do and just 'shoot away at random stocks'. Commissions disabled will make the general difficulty of the script "Easy" or "Very Easy" quite quickly.

I also recommend having 'limited stock' set to ENABLED. If this is disabled then you can easily waste all or most of your bank account if you are not careful when buying stocks. Secondly, it is unrealistic that the player can 'leverage' their bets with as much money as they want making those safe bets with low profits very very good earners with enormous leverage. However again, if you think you want to have this disabled then go ahead. It's your game and you play it whatever way you want to.


LOCAL EXCHANGES

Once you have the script assigned to a hotkey and have decided whether to have commissions activated or disabled in the script options, it's time to take a look at the main stock exchange menu. This menu contains both trade categories and reports. At this time we will ignore the reports (Items with word 'Summary' in them) as they will not be of much use until you have a trade history or have owned stock to look at.

Let's start off with the first item: Local exchanges. These are clusters of sectors in a certain area. For example, one of the first items in the list is the 'Argon stock exchange'. Now what is that? It means that this exchange is made up of ALL the Argon sectors around Argon Prime, 16 in total. Similarly, the stock exchange in Kingdoms End consists of ALL the sectors from Kingdoms End all the way down to Atreus Clouds. Note that the clusters can be HUGE (Heretics End contains all Terran sectors) or tiny (Pirate Anarchy Port). The exact sectors can be seen when opening up a local exchange. There is a "+" sign right at the top if you are unsure about what sectors the local exchange is made of.
Right, now you know that the Argon Prime local exchange is made up of all the local Argon sectors. Now what can you do with this information? You can use this information for the following activities:

1) Make share trades on non-real-X-world buyable commodities, listed under ‘Naturals’. These are actual items like 'Red Crystals' or 'Hacker chips' or 'Construction equipment', however they are not traded in vanilla X-games. If you have ever scanned/blown up civilian ships you might have noticed that they carry these strange items. Now these items are indexed and you can make share trades on them. With commissions and limited stock enabled it is important to only buy items in 90-100 Index range. Without those limits enabled you can do as you see fit. Just try it and see if you can make a profit. However with limits in place don’t try to push your luck too much. The Teladi brokers will fleece you! When the Index drops and the line shows profit then go ahead and sell. With commissions on: Be careful when giving the final order to sell. The actual 'x amount will be deposited to your account' must be bigger than the amount shown in green, being the profit sum on the previous page. V4 does not show the final costs. This will be changed in the future versions that will correctly show also the selling costs. Now it only shows the buying costs which are only half of the costs that are about to be incurred.

2) Make share trades on tradeable items: This can be weapons, shields or other normal everyday commodities that the player can buy from stations or manufacture themselves. The key here is the Index number which has colors ranging from red to green w/numbers ranging from 0 to 200.
Index:100 or slightly below. This is best time to buy. Obey this Index, it is your best friend. If you want a challenge or you have commissions disabled then you can also try your luck with items that have index in the range of 50-75 or 125-150. However if you have commissions activated, then you must follow this or you will lose money pretty much every time.
Index:125-200 means the ware item is in oversupply. The player can with their own actions remove excessive supply by actually buying the items with trade ships. However, from a stock exchange point of view the verdict is clear: Stay away from these until the supply somehow straightens itself out. With commissions disabled you might be quite safe buying Index 125 items, however, with commissions enabled you will lose money pretty much every time if you attempt these riskier Index levels.
Index:50-85 means supply has contracted below max capacity and demand is growing. This is not the time to buy anymore, however, if you have bought shares at a higher index then you are on your way to making some cash. If commissions are activated you will still be in the red, however, without commissions you probably now have a few credits to be earned if you so wish.
Index:0-50 means it is time to sell. If you bought at an Index of 100 and now the Index is 0-25, then you will have profits coming your way if you have commissions enabled. Without commissions you should have now made quite a lot of money whatever the Index is.


STRATEGIES / LOCAL EXCHANGES

The stocks are favourable to you when the INDEX DROPS. I.e. what you are basically doing here with the Index is making a future bet on what the price of commodity X is going to be soon. Needless to say the activities of the player and his/her trade ships can have a significant impact on the Index. Be prepared to influence the Index. It is actually something that is needed: If you bet on 200mj shields to drop in Index soon while your local traders or NPC ships keep filling up the equipment docks in the Argon Prime area, then you are in for a loooong wait. However if you first buy a lot of stocks and then dispatch your ships to collect all the 200mj shields, and then sell your stocks when 200mj shields are all scooped up from the EQ docks... well that a different story, and perfectly legal.
However, a word of warning: Always plan out your actions well if you do Order front running. You might not find all the items in the sectors that the stock exchange lists as 'in stock' and therefore you might end up in a situation that you have commissions enabled and are unable to drop the Index any lower than 25-40, which usually means you will take a hit when you sell. 'Front Running' is somewhat challenging sometimes and you don’t always end up with a profit if you have commissions enabled. If you have commissions disabled then this activity is a sure-fire way to always make some level of profit. I personally recommend having commissions enabled if local exchange trading with real X-world commodities is what you like most.
Here are two examples of Local Exchange trading. First one is a sure-fire bet with high initial investment but low profit and the second one is a risky bet with high initial investment but good profits if you are able to pull it of to the end. Commissions are enabled in this example.


Example 1)
Local Exchange: Kingdoms End
Item: Ion Cannons
Start situation: Demand 2, Stock 2. Index:100
You buy stocks prior to doing any real trades. If you have limited stock enabled, then you usually can only buy 10 stocks. The price of each stock is salty: the price is derived from the price of an actual Ion Cannon so if you buy all 10 you better have millions in the account. When stocks are bought you can either now send your ship to buy up the cannons, thus reducing the Index from 100 to 0 straight away, or you can wait awhile and buy more stocks before making the front running purchase thus building momentum. When you are satisfied with your stock holdings and perform the actual buying (or wait for UT/NPC’s to grab them) then it's time to sell when the Index hits rock bottom. Note though that even though you have locked millions into the stocks, the actual profits are also derived from the Ion Cannons price. So if you have commissions enabled and limited stock enabled, then you didn’t make that much money after all. This event can be labelled as a 'low-risk bet, but with equally low profits'


Example 2)
Local Exchange: Heretics End
Item: 1GJ Shield
Start situation: Demand 10, Stock 10. Index:100
Compared to Example 1 above this one contains more moving parts and is not as simple as it seems. First of all a lot of capital will be tied up when you buy the stocks. Then you better know where all the shields are located. When you are ready to deal with these items then do your thing and fill up your portfolio with the desired amount of stocks and then dispatch your ships to grab the shields. Do note that your local traders/UT ships/NPC traders can now more easily distort this operation due to the fact that the shields are all spread out in a lot of different stations. Also the amount to collect is no longer 2, it is 10 or at least close to 10 that you must collect to get some good profit out of this (commissions on). Thumb rule is that when there are more locations and larger numbers of items to collect then the more likely it is that something or someone distorts your 'perfectly legal front running' operation and you end up with a small loss. Note that commissions and limited stock enabled - settings have an even bigger meaning in this trade scenario. The point with example 2 is basically that sometimes you wind up attempting a more aggressive rip... uhm, 'trade' and notice that there is no way for you to 'complete' it properly, or then it becomes a nuisance and it requires a ton of your actual real-world time or tons of ships flying here and there looking for the shields. If this happens then you better acknowledge your losses and let go. Sell the stocks at a loss if that is what it takes to release yourself from them. V4 does not pay any dividends so holding on to stocks is pointless; turn them to cash once you are done. Holding money in stocks that cannot perform is equivalent to 'taking a loss' in the exchange world...


COMPANY INDEXES / LARGE CORPORATIONS

Second item in the main stock exchange menu is the Company Indexes. This item is divided up into two sections: At the top there are large cap companies like OTAS, Jonferco and Plutarch. These stocks are what I call 'preferred partner stock' and they resemble real life non-public tradeable preferred stocks the most. What does that mean? Well in a nutshell it means their value goes up and down according to how much time and effort you invest into them. If you are like a partner to them and if you invest time and money into them they will reward you handsomely by raising the stock price. These stocks are always medium or long term bets, rarely do you make anything out of them in short runs due to the way they are valued. This option is not good for poor players either. These are not stock options: stock doesn’t appear out of nowhere as options. They must be bought beforehand if you wish to benefit from these companies.
These large cap stocks can also act like normal stocks but only with commissions disabled. The catch is this: These larger companies stock values are calculated based on their net value. I.e. all their stations, wares, ships are calculated into the stock price. So if you blow up an OTAS transport, then the stock goes down and the price goes up, if you do successful missions for OTAS. I.e. build a mine that OTAS ordered...well, you do the math.
So you think you are a company man? Got the 'firm' Venti parked in the garage? Got an 'I <3 OTAS' Tattoo on your neck? Then these stocks are for you.


COMPANY INDEXES / SMALL CORPORATIONS

The last major Index are small cap companies. These are shown on the same page as larger corporations. Just scroll down the page. These stocks resemble real life publicly traded stocks the most and they are also just as erratic. Buy them in the 91-100 range and keep away from undervalued or overvalued stock. These bets are always short run or medium run bets. If you get stuck with small cap company stock that is far away from buying price and you have commissions activated then your only option is to either wait all eternity, or just accept that you got whacked, and sell of and retrieve some of your money.


GENERAL TIPS

* Small cap stocks appear at first like a casino stock system, but there are ways to gain the most while limiting your losses. I'll give a hint: Yaki stock exchange is the toughest of them all. Almost everything is an Index 200 item there, and the place is like a modern day Nikkei Index with nothing moving and everything in a zombie state. Keep away from there if you have commissions on. If you don’t have commissions on then this place can be a good place to try some really tough bets. Pirate Anarchy Port on the other hand is a vibrant trading hub with goods exchanging hands with very rapid speeds. I believe it is the limited amount of wares in circulation that creates such volatility here. Regardless, making bets here on items close to a 100 Index and you might get easy rewards with commissions on. Just don’t overdo it. Sometimes the prices run out of your range and you are stuck. Make pinpoint investments here and keep an eye on them. Don’t spread too much into different stocks.
* Large Cap stocks are the workhorse stock for company players. Don’t do them if you are a casual trader. If you do, then treat them as casino stocks with commissions disabled, If commissions are enabled you might as well just burn the money yourself or prepare yourself for a long stock position. No fast bucks to be made here folks!
* Real commodities trading is tougher than it looks. Plan and execute well if you intend to make money. Or keep to safe bets and bring the profits by leveraging the safe bets with extra stock. Commissions enabled are, imho, a must if you specialize in this trade. Way too easy with commissions disabled.
* If you buy small company stocks then keep an eye on the message bar at the bottom of the screen. It will occasionally show movement in the stock prices. Generally I just glance at them and if the price goes down by +2 I do absolutely nothing. However, if the price jumps by 4 or more then I go and see the status of the stock. Chances are it just jumped enough to make a good profit.
* Time, don’t waste it. You might have 12h real life playing time available but some of the stock bets here require you to use a whole lot of time to make the bets come through properly. This is the stock exchange scripts way of saying 'it's taking too long to make money, sell now and move along'. Also parking money into stocks is nothing more than a pure loss. With 0% profits its just money taken away from your bank when you need it most.
* Keep to local exchanges you know: It might be tempting to start investing here and there but don’t. Instead pick a few places where you invest. I do Argon Prime, Heretics End and Pirate Anarchy Port for the most. Occasionally there are others. The sectors differ from each other somewhat. Learn slowly as you go and stay in certain exchanges to begin with. This makes it easier to check up on the stock prices too if you don’t need to jump around in the menus too much.
* This script is an add-on to the X3TC experience. Don’t make this THE number #1 to do. Occasionally check the prices, make bets, have fun. But don’t forger to do all the other fun stuff you usually do in the X-universe.


EXPLOITS

This script does have at least one confirmed bug that allows cheating. I am not going to tell at this point what this is, but let’s just say that if you find yourself in a position where you can make tons of money by just doing large scale stock shifting back and forth using multiple ships then DON’T. You might as well install Cycrows cheat pack and give yourself the money. Much easier than fiddling around with this unpatched exploit. If you do find out what it is then just add it to your 'personal iron man rules' and play it straight.
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Post by mark_a_condren » Thu, 23. Sep 10, 11:32

XanII

Thanks for making such and excellent user guide available to everyone.

A link to the above guide has been provided in the OP so such valuable information is easier for all to find.


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Post by Idea » Thu, 23. Sep 10, 11:46

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Nice work :thumb_up:

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Post by XanII » Sun, 10. Oct 10, 21:16

Soon is time to make an addenum to the guide. Im thinking of adding misc Hints and observations in the bottom of the main text in the future.

Just had an incredible easy-street win streak followed by an over-extension of confidence and now the stock markets are pushing me on a loose-streak. Loomancks local stock exchange especialy has shown it can be volatile. index 95-98 items suddenly hit 200 etc.
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Post by Requiemfang » Sun, 10. Oct 10, 21:34

I vote the guide be put into PDF format :lol:

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Post by XanII » Tue, 12. Oct 10, 14:02

Requiemfang wrote:I vote the guide be put into PDF format :lol:
Now whats the use of that. :D The ink on that text hast even properly dried when i should probably edit the current text already. I seem to be getting deeper into the script all the time and detect differences that i havent seen before.

I am getting seriously hammered by corporate index stocks. But now it seems the best earners are the non-commonly tradeable items such as posters, construction equipment etc. corporate index stocks were good quick-trade stocks but now they all behave as long investments to me.

Also noticed that if a new script user is very low on money they can still make bets for very small scale commodities in the Loomanks. items such as garbage or plutonium or fruits can give huge % payouts for small 5.000 investments. But also shoot to index 200 just like that.

This just keeps getting more interesting all the time.

There is also a very distintive difference between local exhanges. Some or hopeless until they suddenly become real bargain bins and later good profits. Timing seems important.

Not sure if i am making a profit or just deluding myself. :D Though Getsu Fune and Yaki stock exchanges ARE hopeless.
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Post by XanII » Fri, 15. Oct 10, 12:45

All-time-profit or loss totals meter would be great. Got the feeling i have made over 20 mil now with patient trading. But not sure.

Also a total-meter on how much i am stuck with toxic stock would be good. seems i am not able to dislodge myself from a whole bunch of stocks without taking a hit.
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Post by XanII » Wed, 20. Oct 10, 10:30

There seems to be some sort of problem with corporate index stocks.

They have just simply stopped performing. if i buy lets sat XenonSlayer inc stock at 40cr apiece they can stay endlessly in the 36-44cr range. Just gave up on a ton of stocks that i have had a long time. Made millions in loss but atleast i was able to unload them. This is strange as i have actualy made pretty decent money with theese - comissions enabled.
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Post by Requiemfang » Wed, 20. Oct 10, 22:15

I doubt the script has been updated with the lastest release of the patch, but I don't know if that affects it or not... it probably does cause they were working fine prior to the patch update of the game

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Post by mark_a_condren » Fri, 22. Oct 10, 13:53

Hi all,

What happened? did the 3.0 patch break something?

I havn't had a chance to check anything yet. I suppose i better DL it and find out what is going on. (as soon as i get a chance)


@XanII

Been busy i see!

Remember the exchanges are as dynamic as your universe, so as it changes so will how the exchanges behave. And we also have to remember just how much 'GOD' can interfer :D

How they change over time was one of the things i liked about how the script ended up working, keeps it interests, and if you get complacent or cocky you can get bitten :P


if anyone has any info on what is going on with the 3.0 patch and the script, i'de love to hear from you.

Requiemfang wrote:I vote the guide be put into PDF format
If XanII wants to do that i'll happily post the links to the DL.


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Post by XanII » Sat, 23. Oct 10, 12:24

Maybe we can have it in PDF. dont see any reason why not. Though i should append some text to it.

Now it really seems that nothing is 'broken' per se however i do get the feeling mark has included some sort of script in the script that really poops on your fun just when you think you have found yourself an easy cash cow. :roll: I just cant understand why all of a sudden corporate stocks are such a bummer. and i actualy spoke about using them as 'quick bets'. well they sure dont behave like that for the moment being.

Now i seem to be making most cahoonas from local exchange - non-tradeable resources such as luxury foods, posters and construction equipment. Loomanks local exchange was good but now i get mostly just underwater stock there. Even Getsu Fune makes more cash. :D

But hey, at least it keeps things interesting. i assume at some point this behaviour will again change.
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Post by Novia Star » Sat, 23. Oct 10, 22:13

It took me a bit of playing arround. Now I at least got the hang of the real stuff in the world part of the market. 8)

Ive noticed that with items that are in civ ships inventory the prices rarely move. As well as non-major corp stock.

I don't usually spend much time dwelling on big corp missions but with a price bottem and top I don't see much point in investing a dime in any corp. of any size. Esspecially when it usually sits some where in the middle or bottem of the index value.

It might be intersting to have just a flat value for corprations that have no to or bottem. That can just go up and up with good luck.

Also maby using the GNN system to have some random event cause major value changes in a whole hoast of diffrent ways like

(In news today PTNI reports striking major Nividum deposits on a moon in Bad Debt. Stock value sores... In other news today Pirate activity expected to sharply rize in responce to PTNI report...)

(On comoditys markets today Major outbreaks of Argon flu arround Three Worlds is causing a delay in shipments and harvest of Delaxian Wheat. Wheat shortages are expected to cause a rise in wheat prices In most Argon Economic Zones...)
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Post by Glimpse » Thu, 28. Oct 10, 10:06

Well now it's been a mighty long time I've managed to get my hands on X3TC.I've installed the Stock Exchange and everything is lovely.I've even managed to make holy profit(around 5 billion credits in a day :p) from creating mining outposts in stranded sectors as Getsu Fune.Many thanks for the great work Mark! Also what about the banking? I couldn't find it anywhere. :(

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Post by mark_a_condren » Thu, 28. Oct 10, 12:12

@Glimpse

Glad you like the script.

The Banking script has not been released yet, Yes i'm bad and should get it released. Will get it done asap and get it released. Been busy with other stuff.


@Novia Star

I've been holding off on using the stock exchange to effect the universe and have been letting what you do in the unverse effect the stock exchange instead. This may change in time but not for the forseeable future. i tried the unlimited stock values you suggested and it produced some really undesirable situations at times, so i will be staying away from that as well sorry, being able to buy unlimited stock at zero credits was not an ideal situation, Yes that's one of the things that can happen.

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Post by mark_a_condren » Fri, 29. Oct 10, 17:00

Hi all,

Just a quick question for you's.

If you were selling a station, namely a complex hub. When ownership is sold to the NPC's, would it be better to break it up into it's component stations (still in their original positions less complex hub) or leave it as a connected complex, hub and all?

Thoughts anyone?

(yes i'm trying to get the 'Banking' script finished and released)

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Post by Novia Star » Fri, 29. Oct 10, 20:34

When you jam a bunch of stations together with hub getting to docking ports might be a problem so ide say all together would be better.

Just my opinion...
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