NEWS: X³: Terran Conflict Rolling Demo available for download

berth · Post by **berth** » Mon, 17. Nov 08, 00:05

berth wrote:My shiny new rig, settings are how I play:

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series [2297 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0010.0149
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8500  @ 3.16GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.8GHz
Usable System Memory:	4094 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1680 x 1050 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		8x
	Anisotropic Mode:	16x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		disabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	28 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 28.0 average fps	 6.0 minimum fps	 67.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 62.6 average fps	 23.0 minimum fps	 159.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 84.5 average fps	 46.0 minimum fps	 216.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 36.9 average fps	 15.0 minimum fps	 74.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 53.0 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

I'll post my old rig's results later on - TC was just playable on it. Any ideas why my CPU is quoted at 2.8GHz rather than 3.16? And what is the significance of the "used vertexsize" figure?

Me=dumbass. Here's the benchmark without Boinc using 40% of the CPU

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series [2297 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0010.0149
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8500  @ 3.16GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.8GHz
Usable System Memory:	4094 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1680 x 1050 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		8x
	Anisotropic Mode:	16x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		disabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	28 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 37.5 average fps	 11.0 minimum fps	 85.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 82.5 average fps	 30.0 minimum fps	 198.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 108.8 average fps	 61.0 minimum fps	 221.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 46.9 average fps	 25.0 minimum fps	 94.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 68.9 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

Original rig and laptop to follow....

Snake1 · Post by **Snake1** » Mon, 17. Nov 08, 20:24

In answer to why is my CPU reported as 2.8 not 3.16 I suspect the multiplier in the BIOS is set to 8.5 not 9.5 as it should be. It is possible to set lower multipliers on locked CPUs such as yours.

berth · Post by **berth** » Mon, 17. Nov 08, 21:48

Ok, thanks for that. It's actually at 8 (max 9 it seems). So I guess it shipped underclocked?

Mubata · Post by **Mubata** » Tue, 18. Nov 08, 03:05

One more for the pile o' benchies. Wish it worked as well ingame.

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX [2791 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0011.8042
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6700  @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Usable System Memory:	6142 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1680 x 1050 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		8x
	Anisotropic Mode:	16x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		enabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	40 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 41.0 average fps	 15.0 minimum fps	 90.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 76.3 average fps	 32.0 minimum fps	 146.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 74.1 average fps	 49.0 minimum fps	 103.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 37.7 average fps	 25.0 minimum fps	 65.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 57.3 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

Arioch33 · Post by **Arioch33** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 00:46

With my brother's laptop:

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Business (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	NVIDIA Quadro FX 1600M [1256 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0011.0163
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7700  @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
Usable System Memory:	2030 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1920 x 1200 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		NONE
	Anisotropic Mode:	NONE

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		disabled
	Ship Color Variations:	disabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	disabled
	Used Vertexsize:	40 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 30.2 average fps	 8.0 minimum fps	 67.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 48.2 average fps	 24.0 minimum fps	 87.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 21.0 average fps	 13.0 minimum fps	 36.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 11.4 average fps	 7.0 minimum fps	 20.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 27.7 fps

Orion JMD · Post by **Orion JMD** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 06:00

OK, now I know there is a valid answer to this so I ask the experts:

I understand the X games utilize only a single core. Since there was quite a bit of talk earlier in this tread about the game engine being more CPU hunger than GPU hungry I thought I would try a little experiment to see how my AMD Opteron would hold up.

To check the max CPU usage I turned off virtually all items running in the background and allowed only the Task Manager to run while the X3 - TC Rolling Demo was playing.
After the demo concluded I checked the Task Manager CPU usage graph and to my surprise the CPU was not only NOT maxed out but it showed cores had been utilized to a fairly even degree. Not mirror images mid you but peaks and valleys / highs and lows being about equal.

How this be Joe?

Thanks in advance

JMD

Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3
AMD Opteron 185 - Dual Core 2.7ghz
Abit AV8 Motherboard
ATI HD 3850 AGP 512 Meg
Corsair XMS 4 Gig
Soundblaster X-Fi Platinum Sound Card
WD Raptor 150 Gig 1.5
Corsair 1000w PS

Thelic · Post by **Thelic** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 07:15

Even if X3TC.exe itself is not multithreaded, Windows will take the liberty of shifting non-process related tasks to another core. That, and I think some things are multi-threaded, like sound. Not sure where I heard that, though.

JohanTheCoder · Post by **JohanTheCoder** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 09:33

Windows will automatically schedule "processcode" to an unused core when its most efficient. But if you use threads you will get more control from a programmers point of view WHEN to use another core. Its true that the sound often plays in a thread of its own. You can try starving the thread by setting up the main-thread-priority to REALTIME. You will get sound that stutter (at least on slow computers).

I think its all about how the algorithms used looks like.

The number of tests (collisiontests, AI-events-firing) grows extremely fast when there are lots of units in combat combining this with heavy graphics you will get a slow game (when number of units rise). The easiest solution is basically often to set a limit on the number of instances that can exist at the same time that can fire on each other. So Egosoft could easily enhance the FPS by : Make weapons fire less often and tune down the number of ships appearing at the same time (on missions for instance).

The nice thing about the game is the scale but it comes with a cost (some difficultylevels should be renamed to brutal or insane instead based on the number of ships spawned)

Another thing is If you got an inefficient algorithm it wont matter how fast your computer is, the growth of how much CPU time that is needed to complete a number of vital tasks in a reasonable time is too fast.

(For an example, to complete update 1000 ships firing at each other IS VERY MUCH slower than have 900 ships firing at each other because of the nature of the collisiondetecionalgoritms works for an instance).

So people will notice this by a sudden drop of FPS when a hardwarelimit (often the CPU nowadays) is hit. Because the number of calculations that must be made suddenly jumps even if a small number of instances is added to the scene.

(Bought the game but cant register it(!))

pjknibbs · Post by **pjknibbs** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 13:35

Orion JMD wrote: After the demo concluded I checked the Task Manager CPU usage graph and to my surprise the CPU was not only NOT maxed out but it showed cores had been utilized to a fairly even degree. Not mirror images mid you but peaks and valleys / highs and lows being about equal.

Well, a single-threaded application is not going to max out a multi-core processor because it simply can't--if you HAD seen it max both cores then it would indicate it's a pretty efficient multi-threaded application.

Zoed Vega · Post by **Zoed Vega** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 14:31

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Delerious · Post by **Delerious** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 14:49

As Nvidia released a WHQL version of the 180 series drivers i thought i would compare them.

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Graphics Card Info:	NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512 [512 MB]    Driver: **SEE BELOW**
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs)
Usable System Memory:	3584 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1920 x 1200 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		2x
	Anisotropic Mode:	8x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		enabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	40 bytes

180.43 Beta drivers
Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 40.2 average fps	 22.0 minimum fps	 86.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 69.5 average fps	 29.0 minimum fps	 161.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 107.0 average fps	 63.0 minimum fps	 173.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 52.7 average fps	 29.0 minimum fps	 88.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 67.3 fps


180.48 WHQL (Nvidia released 19/11/08)
Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 43.5 average fps	 18.0 minimum fps	 89.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 72.1 average fps	 29.0 minimum fps	 165.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 109.3 average fps	 63.0 minimum fps	 177.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 55.5 average fps	 29.0 minimum fps	 92.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 70.1 fps

Please note the drivers ONLY support the following cards.

GeForce GTX 280
GeForce GTX 260
GeForce 9800 GX2
GeForce 9800 GTX+
GeForce 9800 GTX
GeForce 9800 GT
GeForce 9600 GT
GeForce 9600 GSO
GeForce 9500 GT
GeForce 9500 GS
GeForce 9400 GT
GeForce 9400
GeForce 9300
GeForce 9200
GeForce 8800 Ultra
GeForce 8800 GTX
GeForce 8800 GTS 512
GeForce 8800 GTS
GeForce 8800 GT
GeForce 8800 GS

codru · Post by **codru** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 21:18

Did anyone notice how the fps in the Trade scene is low for almost everyone, even the guy with the 4200 e8500 and 2x 4750 still got 20 min in that scene. A 4.2 ghz cpu and two 4750 video cards are basically of their knees in that scene, and that's just the demo, there are no stations and traders and so the cpu does not have to do all those extra calculations, yet the minimum fps seems to be low for most.

Can someone explain how such good systems are barely coping with such an old game engine? And the average fps is not an accurate representation in my opinion, some scenes in the demo go as high as 150+ fps on some rigs but those scenes are not what we encounter in the real game imo.

brianwillis · Post by **brianwillis** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 22:40

Just installed a new graphics card, a nice little GTX 280!!

I'll post up another score soon

Have fun all,
Brian

Orion JMD · Post by **Orion JMD** » Thu, 20. Nov 08, 23:41

pjknibbs wrote:
Orion JMD wrote: After the demo concluded I checked the Task Manager CPU usage graph and to my surprise the CPU was not only NOT maxed out but it showed "both" cores had been utilized to a fairly even degree. Not mirror images mid you but peaks and valleys / highs and lows being about equal.
Well, a single-threaded application is not going to max out a multi-core processor because it simply can't--if you HAD seen it max both cores then it would indicate it's a pretty efficient multi-threaded application.

I appreciate whole heartedly what you’re saying. My post was not meant to point out an inefficiency of the game engine. I was simply asking for someone more knowledgeable than myself in regards to Windows XP CPU allocation to explain why a game designed access the CPU power of a single core was showing as accessing both.

On a second topic: Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas on why the Demo does a noticeable chug at just about 13 and then again at 15 seconds into Trade portion? My FPS, as well as many others it seems, takes a hell of kidney punch at that spot and drops at least 20 fps instantly from high 40’s to mid 20’s. I can understand when the Titan blows but I don't take that type of instant hit even in the stunning final sequence.

The only thing that seems to help on my system is if I lower my texture to med. Anyone else?

Best again.

JMD

brianwillis · Post by **brianwillis** » Fri, 21. Nov 08, 01:56

With the new card I get a marked improvement

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 [2547 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0011.7813
CPU Info:		AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs), ~2.5GHz
Usable System Memory:	3582 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1680 x 1050 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		8x
	Anisotropic Mode:	16x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		enabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	40 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 27.6 average fps	 9.0 minimum fps	 62.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 60.4 average fps	 21.0 minimum fps	 137.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 82.2 average fps	 48.0 minimum fps	 143.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 38.7 average fps	 21.0 minimum fps	 70.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 52.2 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

My old score was 39.1

I'm smug as a bug in a rug!!

Have fun all,
Brian

Post by **Geek** » Fri, 21. Nov 08, 07:52

I bought a new laptop recently (not enough room for a desktop computer).
I do not own TC now but i expect to get it in a near future.

Default settings:

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Édition Familiale Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	NVIDIA GeForce 9650M GT  [2291 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0011.7605
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
Usable System Memory:	3070 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1440 x 900 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		4x
	Anisotropic Mode:	NONE

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		enabled
	Ship Color Variations:	disabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	disabled
	Used Vertexsize:	40 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 30.7 average fps	 7.0 minimum fps	 68.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 37.1 average fps	 24.0 minimum fps	 48.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 32.7 average fps	 21.0 minimum fps	 49.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 18.1 average fps	 12.0 minimum fps	 32.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 29.6 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

That is a bit low, so i tried changing various settings. For some reason "medium shaders" is *ugly* (similar to the first screenshot page 1).

Choosed settings :

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Édition Familiale Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	NVIDIA GeForce 9650M GT  [2291 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0011.7605
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
Usable System Memory:	3070 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1024 x 768 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		NONE
	Anisotropic Mode:	NONE

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		disabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	disabled
	Used Vertexsize:	40 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 34.6 average fps	 11.0 minimum fps	 70.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 68.5 average fps	 24.0 minimum fps	 171.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 66.6 average fps	 41.0 minimum fps	 100.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 29.9 average fps	 22.0 minimum fps	 56.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 49.9 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

It is much better and still looks great. I hope the game will run fine.

zooze · Post by **zooze** » Sat, 22. Nov 08, 00:56

Here are a few more:

My settings at which I run the game:

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS [2024 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0011.7813
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
Usable System Memory:	3326 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1280 x 960 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		4x
	Anisotropic Mode:	8x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		enabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	40 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 35.1 average fps	 11.0 minimum fps	 72.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 70.1 average fps	 25.0 minimum fps	 167.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 73.4 average fps	 50.0 minimum fps	 102.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 35.3 average fps	 22.0 minimum fps	 64.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 53.4 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

Max Res on my PC:

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS [2024 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0011.7813
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
Usable System Memory:	3326 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1920 x 1200 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		4x
	Anisotropic Mode:	8x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		enabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	40 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 31.3 average fps	 3.0 minimum fps	 72.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 56.0 average fps	 25.0 minimum fps	 95.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 49.5 average fps	 32.0 minimum fps	 73.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 24.3 average fps	 16.0 minimum fps	 43.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 40.3 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

Kindest regards

Zoozer

teki · Post by **teki** » Sun, 23. Nov 08, 16:07

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X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Graphics Card Info: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra [768 MB] Driver: 6.14.0011.8048
CPU Info: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.66GHz (4 CPUs)
Usable System Memory: 2302 MB

Video Settings During Benchmark:
Screen Resolution: 2560 x 1600 * [32], fullscreen
Using Shader Profile: 3.0
Antialias Mode: 4x
Anisotropic Mode: 16x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
Texture Quality: high
Shader Quality: high
High Quality Bumpmaps: enabled
Environment Mapping: enabled
Glow Filter: enabled
Ship Color Variations: enabled
More Dynamic Lights: enabled
Used Vertexsize: 40 bytes

Framerates
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Scene "Trade" 26.8 average fps 8.0 minimum fps 61.0 maximum fps
Scene "Fight" 61.5 average fps 22.0 minimum fps 145.0 maximum fps
Scene "Build" 72.1 average fps 45.0 minimum fps 105.0 maximum fps
Scene "Think" 33.7 average fps 20.0 minimum fps 57.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 48.5 fps

(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

Runs much worse than the X3 Reunion rolling demo, but I'll see if the actual ingame experience is also as bad in comparison. Looking forward to playing TC when I get it tomorrow.

BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Tue, 25. Nov 08, 00:19

BugMeister wrote:- pah, a mere 65 frames..!!
- I eat your puny PC and raise you to..
...er 19.5 frames

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Graphics Card Info:	ATI Radeon HD 3850 AGP [512 MB]    Driver: 6.14.0010.6869
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Usable System Memory:	2048 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1440 x 900 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		8x
	Anisotropic Mode:	16x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	medium
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		disabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	28 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 10.4 average fps	 2.0 minimum fps	 21.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 21.7 average fps	 8.0 minimum fps	 47.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 30.7 average fps	 17.0 minimum fps	 61.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 15.1 average fps	 8.0 minimum fps	 27.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 19.5 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

- not bad, for an AGP card - it looks amazing onscreen..

- Widescreen @ 1440x900
- everything on high - no glow - medium textures
- offline - a/v disabled - "Best" setting for sound-sampling rate
- ZA in "Game Mode" - Indexing Off - Systray cleared
- X3.exe priority raised to "Realtime" in Task Manager
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- and the cat's been fed, as well..

odd - with new Catalyst driver v8.11, I get a slight reduction in ave. fps..

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Graphics Card Info:	ATI Radeon HD 3850 [512 MB]    Driver: 6.14.0010.6879
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Usable System Memory:	2048 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1440 x 900 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		8x
	Anisotropic Mode:	16x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	medium
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		disabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	28 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 10.2 average fps	 2.0 minimum fps	 21.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 20.9 average fps	 7.0 minimum fps	 46.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 30.2 average fps	 17.0 minimum fps	 60.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 15.0 average fps	 8.0 minimum fps	 27.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 19.1 fps


(c)2008 EGOSOFT
For more information visit http://www.egosoft.com

- the "Fight" and "Build" parts have reduced min/max fps result..
- ran it under exactly same conditions as original test..

scalp91 · Post by **scalp91** » Wed, 26. Nov 08, 22:23

Here's my results. The CPU is oc'd to 4GHz. Only finished building this machine last week - finally upgraded from a P4 3.00GHz.

Interesting to see how much of a difference switching from 16xAF to 8x makes. AQC was left on for all tests.

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series [2297 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0010.0154
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8600  @ 3.33GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Usable System Memory:	4094 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1600 x 1200 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	3.0
	Antialias Mode:		8x
	Anisotropic Mode:	16x

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	high
	Shader Quality:		high
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	enabled
	Environment Mapping:	enabled
	Glow Filter:		enabled
	Ship Color Variations:	enabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	enabled
	Used Vertexsize:	28 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 58.1 average fps	 20.0 minimum fps	 124.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 106.5 average fps	 44.0 minimum fps	 201.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 120.4 average fps	 79.0 minimum fps	 179.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 50.9 average fps	 32.0 minimum fps	 94.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 84.0 fps

Now with AF set at 8x instead of 16x (with no obvious reduction in quality):-

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  Scene "Trade"	 59.5 average fps	 21.0 minimum fps	 127.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 118.0 average fps	 45.0 minimum fps	 254.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 144.0 average fps	 85.0 minimum fps	 260.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 66.2 average fps	 39.0 minimum fps	 126.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 96.9 fps

And finally everything on low:-

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   X3 - Terran Conflict
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Game Version: 1.2.0.0

Operating System:	Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
DirectX Version:	DirectX 10
Graphics Card Info:	ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series [2297 MB]    Driver: 7.15.0010.0154
CPU Info:		Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8600  @ 3.33GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Usable System Memory:	4094 MB


Video Settings During Benchmark:
	Screen Resolution:	1600 x 1200 * [32], fullscreen
	Using Shader Profile:	1.1
	Antialias Mode:		NONE
	Anisotropic Mode:	NONE

Graphics & Shader Settings:
	Texture Quality:	low
	Shader Quality:		low
	High Quality Bumpmaps:	disabled
	Environment Mapping:	disabled
	Glow Filter:		disabled
	Ship Color Variations:	disabled
	More Dynamic Lights:	disabled
	Used Vertexsize:	28 bytes

Framerates
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  Scene "Trade"	 69.3 average fps	 27.0 minimum fps	 140.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Fight"	 144.4 average fps	 52.0 minimum fps	 350.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Build"	 206.0 average fps	 115.0 minimum fps	 432.0 maximum fps
  Scene "Think"	 97.5 average fps	 50.0 minimum fps	 170.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 129.3 fps

I agree with the comments about the low frame rates in the "Trade" scene - even with the lowest settings, the minimum FPS was only 27!