[Tool] X Rebirth Builder 2.1 (Factory Complex Calculator & Planner)

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Post by Delay » Tue, 29. Mar 16, 05:22

Hi,

i downloaded it from the google source, and i got a russian version :o
My Game is the German Version. Can you help me to get the english planer?

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Post by Simoom » Tue, 29. Mar 16, 07:55

The version hosted on Google has both English and Russian built-in. Please click the "Localization Setting" button (see User Manual for info) to switch the program to English.

Also if you want, you can generate a localization XML file and customize the UI into German (or any language of your choice). See the very end of the User Manual for details on this. :)

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Post by Wasca » Tue, 29. Mar 16, 21:39

Simoom wrote:
Wasca wrote:Hi,

This is an awesome tool, which I started using right away.
Congrats to the original developer and the translator.

One thing I haven't fully understood is the meaning of the trade offer filter.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
I was actually a bit confused about this feature myself, so I didn't translate it in detail (under the "Production & Consumption" window, I was unable to get any station or ware info to show when this feature is enabled).

What I did notice is that under the "Wares" tab view, if you activate the map mode and click "Trade Offers", it displays the number of ships in the displayed area that are carrying the selected ware. I am guessing it's a way to figure out how much of the ware is being moved?

I'll ask the author about this and report back. :)
After playing with it a little, it looks like it lists all the trade offers from stations for this ware and that the filter is used to select trade offers with respect to the average ware price.

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Post by Simoom » Tue, 29. Mar 16, 22:30

Wasca wrote:After playing with it a little, it looks like it lists all the trade offers from stations for this ware and that the filter is used to select trade offers with respect to the average ware price.
Oh cool! I guess my save game didn't import correctly for some reason (none of my trade offers were visible).

I heard back from the author, too, confirming the functions of this feature. I have issued an update to the User Manual to better explain this feature.

Also updated the OP to include a more complete credit list (the tool was apparently a group effort by a number of players)

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Post by kitsune9tails » Wed, 30. Mar 16, 11:18

Wow, it looks great, and I'd really like to try it, but I have to admit at being a little cautious of running a binary executable from Russia on my system... :P

Anyone have any assurances there aren't any "extra treats" as it were, hidden inside? (Or if anyone has any freeware VMs/containers/jails for windows I can use, that would also work, I guess.)

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Post by Phipsz » Wed, 30. Mar 16, 13:24

kitsune9tails wrote:Wow, it looks great, and I'd really like to try it, but I have to admit at being a little cautious of running a binary executable from Russia on my system... :P

Anyone have any assurances there aren't any "extra treats" as it were, hidden inside? (Or if anyone has any freeware VMs/containers/jails for windows I can use, that would also work, I guess.)
First, as far as I'm concerned, the tool is made in russian language, which doesn't mean it is from russia (there are more countries around having russian as official language and even more having a great portion of population speaking russian).
Second, only because the russian government is doing things western countries describe as bad does not mean the common folk has to be the same as their government.
Thirdly, X is a relatively small game, I don't think it would be worth the effort to implement something nasty in a tool for this game ;)
As for the free VM, try Virtual Box and don't give the vm network access. I just don't think it would be worth the effort for this tool it's ok to use as is ;)

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Post by Wasca » Wed, 30. Mar 16, 22:41

kitsune9tails wrote:Wow, it looks great, and I'd really like to try it, but I have to admit at being a little cautious of running a binary executable from Russia on my system... :P

Anyone have any assurances there aren't any "extra treats" as it were, hidden inside? (Or if anyone has any freeware VMs/containers/jails for windows I can use, that would also work, I guess.)
Huuumm, that's why this tool is so great, that's because it was developped by Russian gouvernement black ops! :)

Seriously, I understand your concern, but I had no problem running it, and if it was only designed to infect PCs, they sure put a lot of efforts in it for a rather small audience!

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Post by Simoom » Thu, 31. Mar 16, 01:40

kitsune9tails wrote:Wow, it looks great, and I'd really like to try it, but I have to admit at being a little cautious of running a binary executable from Russia on my system... :P

Anyone have any assurances there aren't any "extra treats" as it were, hidden inside? (Or if anyone has any freeware VMs/containers/jails for windows I can use, that would also work, I guess.)
Since I am in direct contact with the main programmer (and you can too, if you want to - the OP has direct link to his profile here on the Egosoft forums), I doubt this tool has any sort of malware hidden inside it. I don't think people who write malware would want his identity known (in this case, I have his e-mail).

As far as I can tell, a bunch of Russian XR players like the game and they got together and wrote this thing as a group project - same way the modding community works over here. Unfortunately Egosoft is a German studio so the primary forum resources are dedicated to English and German languages only (look at how tiny the Russian section of the forum is). I can understand why the Russian XR community exists outside of Egosoft's forums - namely www.elite-games.ru in this case.

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Post by kitsune9tails » Thu, 31. Mar 16, 03:37

That's good enough for me. If you actually know the devs and have worked with them in the community is fine. I'm just worried about running an executable on my machine when no one really knows or no one quite knows where it came from.

Originating from China, Russia, eastern Europe might make me want to be a tad more diligent based on their reputations for having a lot of young, skilled and talented hackers without as many legal barriers to putting out malicious software, but I'd still be very suspicious wherever it was from, if no one actually knew the creator.

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Post by Simoom » Fri, 1. Apr 16, 15:02

Updated OP to include Phipsz's web-based XR Station Calculator. It is a viable alternative/companion to the more extensive Builder 2.0, since it's pretty light-weight and responsive, so can provide quick production overviews without needing to fuss with the details.

It is also platform-independent so if you are on Linux or Mac OS, then it is your only option for the time being. :)

Phipsz is looking into making the project open-source at some point. Any interested party please contact him via PM.

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Post by Phipsz » Fri, 1. Apr 16, 15:09

Simoom wrote:Updated OP to include Phipsz's web-based XR Station Calculator. It is a viable alternative/companion to the more extensive Builder 2.0, since it's pretty light-weight and responsive, so can provide quick production overviews without needing to fuss with the details.

It is also platform-independent so if you are on Linux or Mac OS, then it is your only option for the time being. :)

Phipsz is looking into making the project open-source at some point. Any interested party please contact him via PM.
Great, thanks! but you got the last point wrong: it IS Open Source already ;) although until now, I've been the only one contributing though. Aaand you don't necessarily need to give me a PM, if you are registered at github, you can post there :)

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Post by HunEndorfin » Sun, 3. Apr 16, 08:50

Hello, the calculator is cool, but it should be compatible fully with the Conquer and War mod, since more, and more ppl using it. Currently the calculator disliking player owned shipyards(managed to capture a very rare pirate cv, and built a pirate cap ship factory, now cannot load the save file).
Apart from this, this is a quite handy tool.
Lol now i know that foodstuff suply>stapples factory(+its resource factories).
Keep up the goodwork.

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Post by Phipsz » Mon, 4. Apr 16, 00:09

HunEndorfin wrote:Hello, the calculator is cool, but it should be compatible fully with the Conquer and War mod, since more, and more ppl using it. Currently the calculator disliking player owned shipyards(managed to capture a very rare pirate cv, and built a pirate cap ship factory, now cannot load the save file).
Apart from this, this is a quite handy tool.
Lol now i know that foodstuff suply>stapples factory(+its resource factories).
Keep up the goodwork.
If you want, I could add those stations to my web-based tool. Just give me a list with stations and their respective modules (including efficiency, if needed) and I would add them :) if you want to add "virtual" consumption (xl-shipyards), that would also be possible.

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Post by exogenesis » Mon, 11. Apr 16, 19:52

Thanks very much for bring this to the forum Simoom,
it's an excellent tool, especially for well developed games - where it's hard to keep track.

Saved me from making a huge mistake :

Recently I built several TechnoCore Hi-E stations in Home of Light for the huge Fusion reactor shortage there,
but then I realised they were massively short on Chemical Compounds.

So I was about to build several R&D Labs, but after running it through this tool,
I saw that HoL has a potential excess of Chem.Compounds - just they weren't producing due
to the lack of Ion Cells & Plasma Cells.

So now I'm building several Mega Cell Fabs instead :)


Really like the quality of this tool, very well thought out & highly capable, & easy on the eyes too.

Kudos to the authors :thumb_up:

May have some suggestions/requests when I've exercised it a bit more....

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Post by hisazul » Tue, 12. Apr 16, 17:28

Awesome tool.

Shame there is no light version of this. I don't want to import anything or deal with nuisances I don't really care about, what calculations think when it comes to practical application don't always hold especially in X games. All I'd personally want is a total material list for a station... sort of like what build plan in game has but with a total tally not having to sit there and add crap in my head. It's there but... ehh ah well.

Heh looked at OL and yeah... I knew when it comes to practice it won't be accurate with it's calculations... energy plentiful? Bofu has surplus? Ehehe it would be nice if that was true... sadly it is not.

But for general audience I'd imagine this is pretty damn useful.

edit:

Actually I played with it... and I have no mods and this thing is going crazy. Claims staples farmery doesn't produce food... it also can't seem to handle renamed stations sometimes and simply bugs out with index error when you use drop down on stations. Seems like it completely drops anything that belongs to those stations so I end up entirely self sufficient DV that apparently doesn't consume any kind of cells... or makes any food... but those buggy stations still get counted for consumption? Huh..

And why are mined resources included into this anyway? They aren't produced in the first place, how exactly it would calculate their availability if they tried to base it on mining ships... then they did something realllyyyy wrong. By construction shop can't in the million years be short on ore when it has 5 ore miners half of them tend to go about peddling stuff most of the time because they got nothing else to do.

Exception output for the error I get:

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************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentException: Argument 'Index' is not a valid value.
   at Microsoft.VisualBasic.Collection.get_Item(String Key)
   at XRB.user_specialist.get_Name()
   at XRB.StationGroup.FillSpecialists()
   at XRB.StationGroup.FillStages()
   at XRB.StationGroup.FillStationGroup()
   at XRB.StationGroup.GroupScroll()
   at XRB.StationGroup.PictureState_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
Currently found this error for renamed Argnu Stockyard... renamed to "DV Argu Stockyard I", warehouse renamed to "AL Warehouse I" works for other warehouses tho(DV Warehouse I and so on).

Hmm oddly enough it seems to calculate resources from broken stations if you use "turn on all production modules" but it still just gives erriors if you try to check those stations.

Universe doesn't consider imported stations or complex or anything it's just 0 in entire complex column.
Last edited by hisazul on Wed, 13. Apr 16, 00:18, edited 6 times in total.
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