[BONUS Plug-In] Gunnery Crew turret plugin - Version 3.02

therjw · Post by **therjw** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 01:29

Hi reven I not sure if this is a bug but I follow a ship with something like 100 crew in it and when it docks it only drops of 10 crew members of that crew not the rest I saw the ship come out and it had 90 crew members but the name has changed? It annoying trying to track down all the men for an M2 when you only get ten or less at a time is there any way you can fix that? cheers

frymaster · Post by **frymaster** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 02:02

that is/was behaviour by design; it turns out the game has another method of culling the troops as well, so I believe this is being toned down in the next release. It is MEANT to only allow a few for sale, though; the rationale being that most of the troops end up in military service rather than private. I suspect the rationale for the transports disappearing is that it would be more hassle otherwise!

stella · Post by **stella** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 11:47

How about making crew availability depenant on AI cap ship numbers.

Blow up a couple of AI cap ships, and crew will be even more sparse until they've been replaced. Leave them alone for a while, and they should become more freely available - after all, they have nothing else to do.

therjw · Post by **therjw** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 13:09

yeh that true but the main problem is when I send a ship over to get them from my M2 they are gone by the time I get there so after 2 hours of hunting for them all I managed to get is 15 crew members

Scarecrow · Post by **Scarecrow** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 16:55

Followed one to the ED in Antigone Memorial last night and got docked before he did......picked up 41 crew.

While I was on my way there I saw another MT undock and head for Home of light. Gonna see if I can still find him

Reven · Post by **Reven** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 17:29

Expect a tweak to the transports code in the next few days. The update is in QA now.

Night Shadow · Post by **Night Shadow** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 20:07

where do i get gunnery crews from and how do i get them please help..

therjw · Post by **therjw** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 20:13

Hi stop me if you heard this but seing that the gunnery crew go to trade stations maybe in your update you can give the command to player owned trade stations to request for crew which will bring the transporter to deliver them but it costs you something like 100,000 per person who lands on your trade station, it would give it another function.

therjw · Post by **therjw** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 20:15

from trading stations just follow the TS that have the name Trans M-31 or something like that read this
http://www.egosoft.com/x2/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71484

Reven · Post by **Reven** » Sat, 18. Dec 04, 21:04

therjw wrote:Hi stop me if you heard this but seing that the gunnery crew go to trade stations maybe in your update you can give the command to player owned trade stations to request for crew which will bring the transporter to deliver them but it costs you something like 100,000 per person who lands on your trade station, it would give it another function.

This was actually something that ticaki asked for originally. I resist this because I don't want it to become a simple money issue. If getting crew were simply a money issue, then it really wouldn't mean anything. The reason for this is because after a certain point, money doesn't mean anything. It's so ludicrously easy to get at high levels that you might as well have your own money printing-press.

Which is why, if I had my way, the costs in this plugin would be double... heck times ten. Even the AEGIS, I would have loved to make it 200mil or more. Of course, the reaction would have been hideous.

So, I decided that the effort involved in getting crew wouldn't be shortcutted with money. It also opens the way for future quests. Do a favour for the military, for example, and get a ship full of crew as a reward. Things like that.

I still ask myself, though, would the reaction to the cost of things have been this negative if this was part of the game from the beginning? If it was a "when you get to really high levels, then this is the type of equipment and crew you can get for your ships", would people have screamed it was too expensive? (that's a rhetorical question - I think we all know the answer)

CrystalOmega · Post by **CrystalOmega** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 03:07

Reven wrote:I resist this because I don't want it to become a simple money issue. If getting crew were simply a money issue, then it really wouldn't mean anything. The reason for this is because after a certain point, money doesn't mean anything. It's so ludicrously easy to get at high levels that you might as well have your own money printing-press.

Which is why, if I had my way, the costs in this plugin would be double... heck times ten. Even the AEGIS, I would have loved to make it 200mil or more. Of course, the reaction would have been hideous.

So, I decided that the effort involved in getting crew wouldn't be shortcutted with money. It also opens the way for future quests. Do a favour for the military, for example, and get a ship full of crew as a reward. Things like that.

I still ask myself, though, would the reaction to the cost of things have been this negative if this was part of the game from the beginning? If it was a "when you get to really high levels, then this is the type of equipment and crew you can get for your ships", would people have screamed it was too expensive? (that's a rhetorical question - I think we all know the answer)

You know, a lot of people don't do the XI and assassination missions for money, on the grounds that they essentially end the game. They render every fab obsolete, which completely eliminates the economic feature that is pretty much the selling point of X2.

Advancing in combat ranking is easy and cheap. XI and assassination missions are relatively easy to get and do. It is very possible to reach the high level BBS missions without buying a single fab. However, up until your AEGIS plugin, there was no necessity to do that. XI and assassination missions were, up until now, an optional bonus meant only as something to do for fun. Hell, they weren't even included in the original release of X2. Now they're pretty much required in order to use your plugin.

Please don't do that. Your script is damn fantastic but your price reasoning is liable to kill the game.

Post by **Nanook** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 12:48

CrystalOmega wrote:
Reven wrote:I resist this because I don't want it to become a simple money issue. If getting crew were simply a money issue, then it really wouldn't mean anything. The reason for this is because after a certain point, money doesn't mean anything. It's so ludicrously easy to get at high levels that you might as well have your own money printing-press.

Which is why, if I had my way, the costs in this plugin would be double... heck times ten. Even the AEGIS, I would have loved to make it 200mil or more. Of course, the reaction would have been hideous.

So, I decided that the effort involved in getting crew wouldn't be shortcutted with money. It also opens the way for future quests. Do a favour for the military, for example, and get a ship full of crew as a reward. Things like that.

I still ask myself, though, would the reaction to the cost of things have been this negative if this was part of the game from the beginning? If it was a "when you get to really high levels, then this is the type of equipment and crew you can get for your ships", would people have screamed it was too expensive? (that's a rhetorical question - I think we all know the answer)
You know, a lot of people don't do the XI and assassination missions for money, on the grounds that they essentially end the game. They render every fab obsolete, which completely eliminates the economic feature that is pretty much the selling point of X2.

Advancing in combat ranking is easy and cheap. XI and assassination missions are relatively easy to get and do. It is very possible to reach the high level BBS missions without buying a single fab. However, up until your AEGIS plugin, there was no necessity to do that. XI and assassination missions were, up until now, an optional bonus meant only as something to do for fun. Hell, they weren't even included in the original release of X2. Now they're pretty much required in order to use your plugin.

Please don't do that. Your script is damn fantastic but your price reasoning is liable to kill the game.

I agree with this 100%!! I never take XI missions due to the obscene payout. It would ruin my game. I only take the occasional assassination mission, mostly to increase my race rep, not for the money.

Personally, I downloaded the turret script, but may never use it. I don't like the idea that the AI ships get it for free, but I have to jump through many hoops and pay through the nose to use it. This script has the kind of AI improvements that should be an across-the-board addition to all ships in the game, not just the player and a few select AI ships. Actually, it's what the turret AI should have been in the first place.

And I also don't like the 'optimized for capturing' setting, either. Capturing is already too easy, and what's the point once you've got enough cash to afford an M2 and the AEGIS?

Reven · Post by **Reven** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 14:27

Thanks to the whichever moderator has been combining threads in here.

Nanook: Would you suggest that I make the other races search for gunnery crews too?

The transports for other race's factories buy goods for free, yet you have to pay for them. Equipment docks and trade docks simply "dissappear" goods that are on them - they just vanish, no one buys them at all. This is to simulate other behind-the-scenes purchasing. I do something similar with the military personnel that transports carry around. And, as I've already mentioned, there are tweaks in the pipeline to make this process a little less painful. Actually, at least three times less painful.

If you think that it's too expensive to be fair, simply take on a couple more of those assassination missions that you eschew and all is fair again.

I should ask this question, what sort of upgrade would I have to make if I wanted to make a very high-end upgrade for late-stage players?

stella · Post by **stella** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 15:10

that's a rhetorical question

What's a rhetorical question?

The_Tigers_Eye · Post by **The_Tigers_Eye** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 15:59

stella wrote:
that's a rhetorical question
What's a rhetorical question?

A question to which no answer is required... just for effect or meaning, for instance:

How Many roads must a man walk down before he considers himself a man??? (Simpsoms.

)

I should ask this question, what sort of upgrade would I have to make if I wanted to make a very high-end upgrade for late-stage players?

Hmm, Aegis and all it's associates should have been there from the start, fantastic as it is!

As a high level player I would really appreciate some kind of inter sector war perhaps? A script that once a mission is completed the pirates do a massive invasion, or the Split and Boron... tis why the war mods are so popular.

More specific customisable controls for capital ships such as having energy cells and being able to divert the extra power to shields or weapons. I think this is done to a limited extent with Tuning MK1. Also having a type of 'engine' room control panel where I can allocate my energies from weapons to shields or engines etc... This could be some kind of "overhaul" that can only be brought only at shipyards if you have both the cash and race relation.

stella · Post by **stella** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 17:29

stella wrote:
Quote:
that's a rhetorical question

What's a rhetorical question?

A question to which no answer is required... just for effect or meaning, for instance

GOTCHA!!

CrystalOmega · Post by **CrystalOmega** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 19:11

Reven wrote:If you think that it's too expensive to be fair, simply take on a couple more of those assassination missions that you eschew and all is fair again.

No, it's not fair. You're asking him to do something that he, on principle, doesn't wish to do. I realize that this is your script and that you have every right to impose your pricing beliefs upon us, but would it really be so bad if AEGIS was reduced to the ~16 mil price range?

Burianek · Post by **Burianek** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 22:01

Cheers.

Burianek · Post by **Burianek** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 22:22

Reven has also posted some great film recordings of engagements using the new gunnery crews.

Please take a look here and then come on back to this thread to discuss the cosequences / ramifications / divine insight acquired.

therjw · Post by **therjw** » Sun, 19. Dec 04, 22:32

you are being very busy Burianek are you trying to meet your locking threads targets?

Anyway I think the AEGIS system should be kepted at that price as it gives you another reason to get rich and make it intresting

[BONUS Plug-In] Gunnery Crew turret plugin - Version 3.02

Gunnery Crews where fo you get them from..?