Speed of Silicium Mining - X4 Update 9 - Beta

[Jellyfish1805]

Hello,

currently i try the X4 Beta Update 9 and it looks like the Miningduration for Silicium is bugged.
It takes arround 6-10 time the duration of Ore. I have checked it with S, M and L-Miners. Still the same result. It takes more then 30-40 Minutes for a L-Miner with 2Star-Captain, 10 MiningDrones and alle MiningLasers equiped, to fill 3200 Silicium.
The same L-Miner can do 3200 Ore up to 5-8 times faster.
Currently i can't provide a single Computronicsubstrate Factory with 3 L-Miners.

[Alan Phipps]

I'll move this from Tech Sp to gameplay as you haven't given any information that would allow investigation.

Mineral mining is quite different IS to OOS, and further to that the relative rates of mining minerals will depend entirely on the local availability of relevant asteroids (IS/high attention) or the relative local map volume resource densities (OOS/low attention) which are dynamically depleted by prior player/NPC mining. You might get more information from a resource probe dropped where you are mining.

[Jellyfish1805]

Hello

i have tested it with a stopping-clock to show you the differences in Minig speed between ORE and SILICIUM:

Ship: Chtonios Defender l-Miner (PAR)
Equipment:
1x PAR L-Mining-Turret
6x PAR M-Mining Turret
10x Mining Drones
Captain: 2-Star
System: Asteroid Belt (1.655k Silicium, 1.895k Ore)
Type of Mining: local auto mining (ressource probe on mining spot) and Out of System (OOS)

Result:
Silicium: 350 Units (3.500m³) in 10 Minutes. So you need arround 110 minutes to fill the 3800 Units. Average Speed of 2100 Units/Hour (pure mining without travel/docking-time)
Ore: 2800 Units (28.000m³) in 6 Minutes. So you need arround 8 minutes to fill the 3800 Units. Average Speed of 28.000 Units/Hour (pure mining without travel/docking-time)

This is a significant difference.
To prioved a single Computronicsubstrate Factory (Silicium: 18.000 Units/Hour, Ore: 18.000 Units/Hour) i would need 1x L-Miner for Ore but 9 L-Miner for Silicium?????
I can't belive that this is works as desigend!!

[Falcrack]

Hello

i have tested it with a stopping-clock to show you the differences in Minig speed between ORE and SILICIUM:

Ship: Chtonios Defender l-Miner (PAR)
Equipment:
1x PAR L-Mining-Turret
6x PAR M-Mining Turret
10x Mining Drones
Captain: 2-Star
System: Asteroid Belt (1.655k Silicium, 1.895k Ore)
Type of Mining: local auto mining (ressource probe on mining spot) and Out of System (OOS)

Result:
Silicium: 350 Units (3.500m³) in 10 Minutes. So you need arround 110 minutes to fill the 3800 Units. Average Speed of 2100 Units/Hour (pure mining without travel/docking-time)
Ore: 2800 Units (28.000m³) in 6 Minutes. So you need arround 8 minutes to fill the 3800 Units. Average Speed of 28.000 Units/Hour (pure mining without travel/docking-time)

This is a significant difference.
To prioved a single Computronicsubstrate Factory (Silicium: 18.000 Units/Hour, Ore: 18.000 Units/Hour) i would need 1x L-Miner for Ore but 9 L-Miner for Silicium?????
I can't belive that this is works as desigend!!

Mining speed will differ based on the location where you are mining, even within the same sector, and will be different for different minerals. There may be hardcoded differences between extraction rates for different types of minerals as well.

[Alan Phipps]

@ Jellyfish1805: You said you had a resource probe at the mining site, so what different resource density figures did it give for Ore and Silicon where it was?

[Jellyfish1805]

Hi,

for silicon and Ore was shown both arround 120.000 Units. 4 Stars as i remeber. So i would assume the nearly the same result.
I also see it in the Transaction logs of my 2 Bolo-M-Miners (MK2 MiningLasers) in "Oortsche Cloud".
Both on local auto mining. On random self selected places without an ressouce-probe at this place. They sell to local factories. (Set it up and Forget it. Brings Money)

In the Transaction-Log is see the "Ore-Bolo" is selling every 7-8 minutes (7-8 times an hour). The "Silicon-Bolo" only sells every 25-30 minutes (2 times an hour).
Encyclopedia shows 1.553k Silicon and 1.845k Ore in this sector.

I will now Change back to Update 8 and will Setup the same Miners in this sector. Lets see how they perform.

I'm surprised that I seem to be the only one experiencing this effect. I would have assumed that players who loaded save games with large factories into the beta would also notice that they're running out of silicon.

[Alan Phipps]

Hang on, 120,000 k sounds like a Sector Information sheet total resource figure for the whole sector rather than a resource probe local density result - typically a probe near mining shows something along the lines of (with different figures and resources obviously):

3 Stars: Ore 2.7 / cubic km (Max 3.3)
1 Star: Silicon 0.7 / cubic km (Max 1.2)
etc

Look in Your Property sheet under the Deployables tab, double-click on your mining area resource probe to take you to it in the map, and then mouse over it in the map to see its resource results.

Resource densities vary a lot initially (the max figure) and dynamically with mining depletion and gradual regeneration (the probe current figure) across smaller volumes within each sector, and some of those volumes may have none of a specific resource even if that sector still has lots of it elsewhere.

[Jellyfish1805]

Hi,

i checked how simple local autominng works in Version 8. In "Oortsche Cloud". Set 2 Bolo-M-Miners (same Equip) to local auto mine.
One to ORE and one to Silicon. Without any Ressource-Probe in the System. Both are equal fast. Every 6 Minutes the Cargo of 880 Silicon or Ore are filled and sold. Without babysitting ressource-probes.

I also can not Spam the ressource-probes anymore to cover the whole sector, because of the penalty (resource finding time) for each probe more then one in the sector. Also the radius of the ressoucre probe is much smaller then before. In 8.0 i can cover a whole system with 7 probes. In 9.0 i need a lot more...but this will increase the Penalty (resource finding time) much more.

I can only tell that i am not a fan of the new Ressource-System based on the ressource-probes have to be on the Right spot. When i set up an OOS Mining Operation i will not Babysiting my Ressourceprobes over and over again. I will create an Mining Depot, Hire a Manager and give him control over the miners to enjoy the rest of the game.

Topic closed for me. When this is how mining will work in the 9.0 then i will avoid mining or factory-building and try other ways to generate Money and have fun with the game!

[BitByte]

Or you can stay in version 8.0 hotfix 4.

[Jellyfish1805]

Hi,

here my last post to this Topic.
I have loaded the 8.0 savegame of the 2 Bolo-Miners in "Oortsche Cloud" to 9.0.
And exact the same thing happend. Below 8.0 both Miner equal fast in mining. But in 9.0 in the time where the Ore-Miner mining 600 Units the Silicon only mining 60 Units.
To check the ressource density i set ressource-probes on the spots where the Miners do their work.

The ressource-probe shows:
Silicon has 3.5 Star with Value 70280
Ore has 3.5 Star with Value 23512

So i would assume that the Silicon-Miner at least is fast as the ore miner. But it is not the case. Slower by arround factor 10.

[Alan Phipps]

Thanks for the probe information. Yes that would need the devs to explain the big difference in mining rates.

[Cestiario]

저도 완벽히 똑같은 문제를 가지고있습니다.

섹터도 똑같고, 문제되는 자원도 실리콘입니다.

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I have the exact same problem.

The sector is the same, and the problematic resource is silicon.

[hc-9]

ah that explains why my 4x silicon rifenery needs 10x the L miners to run without shortages under 9.0.

[Alan Phipps]

I can confirm that the devs are aware of this thread and what they really want is your (vanilla Beta game) mining feedback with supporting evidence such as links to saves etc added in this Public Beta forum thread. Thanks.

[Jellyfish1805]

Hi,

seems to be fixed. Looks like there was an Patch or update.

Ressouces are now visible in Sector Information without a actice ressouce-probe.
Ressource-Belts now blue shining in the map with white dots.
Also Shift and Control Key now swapped. Prio-Order is now on CTRL. And Scheduling oh Shift.

I let a Finnwal-Miner mining Slilicon in "Rolks Verderben" (German). 4000 Unit in arround 15 Minutes. So arround 16k an Hour. Without a probe. Feels normal again.

[CBJ]

Looks like there was an Patch or update.

If you go to the Public Beta Feedback forum, as directed in all the news articles and announcements about the Public Beta, you won't have to guess about when there are updates or what they contain. The forum rules there also explain how to provide feedback on it, and there are even sticky threads for feedback on specific topics.