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Happy Australia Day!

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It's odd being one of the relatively few Australians inhabiting the forum. However, I enjoy Australia day and happily spread best wishes appropriate to the day around to all of you! :)

Australia day is controversial. For those that don't know, the First Fleet (the first group of convict settlers) came ashore at Sydney Cove on the 26th January 1788. This is therefore considered the official birthday of the country by many. However, there are objections to this:

1) Many indigenous Australians see it as "Invasion day," and object to celebrating sovereignty being taken away from them.

2) There are other days which could be seen as a national birthday, perhaps the most logical being 1st January 1901, which is the date that the Commonwealth of Australia officially came into being as a sovereign entity[1], or the passing of the Australia Act[2] on 3rd March 1986.

On the other hand Australians want their Summer long weekend, with lamb chops and sausages on the BBQ!

[1] Technically a "Dominion of the Crown" - sovereign in domestic affairs, but tied to Britain with the Monarch as head of state.
[2] This act, passed by both the Australian and UK parliaments, formally ended the ability to appeal Australian court decisions to the Privy Council of the UK - this was the last legal tie between Australia and UK aside from the Crown itself (and Royal power is in Australia devolved to the Governor General, so whilst in theory the King can make decisions regarding Australia, in practice such decisions are made by an Australian who is the King's official representative.
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Well, have a thoughtful Invasion Day then, I guess. :gruebel:
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Recently there's been a bit of a groundswell involving changing the date of Australia day.

The biggest problem (aside from the innate conservatism of Australians - a trait that isn't exactly unique to us!) is that the day is quite well placed for a public holiday. Traditionally it signals the beginning of the school year, and it happens in high Summer (where time outdoors is very welcome). For this reason even people who are sympathetic to the Aboriginal population tend to oppose changing the date.

Yet there is still a very strong dislike of the day amongst the Aboriginal community - and for good reason, truth be told.

My own idea is pretty simple:

1) Rename 26th January "First Fleet Day," with this not being a public holiday.

2) Australia day is celebrated on the first Monday after First Fleet day - specifically and deliberately ensuring that it cannot take place on the same day (if First Fleet Day falls on a Monday, then Australia Day is celebrated the following Monday).

This means that it is always a long weekend (which Australians love!) and avoids the painful day for the Indigenous community.
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Maybe a way to show respect for the indigenous people and enjoying the birth of your nation at the same time?

Oh and no worries, I'm not interested in minimizing your national pride or downplay your holiday or anything like that. I have Australian colleagues, they're a bunch of awesome and fine people. I just like to give food for thought sometimes.
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That's also legitimate. I have a friend (a Christian thinker with a reasonably large profile) who argues that a mature celebration of one's nation involves both celebration of its achievements and sorrow for its wrongs. He therefore argues that holding the national day on the day that the Indigenous population were dispossessed SHOULD be a way of forcing us to look our errors in the face. He suggests that the first half of the day should be introspective, and the second half of the day can be celebration.

I think this is an excellent idea; however, it is one that has little attention.
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Usenko wrote: Mon, 26. Jan 26, 03:20 That's also legitimate. I have a friend (a Christian thinker with a reasonably large profile) who argues that a mature celebration of one's nation involves both celebration of its achievements and sorrow for its wrongs. He therefore argues that holding the national day on the day that the Indigenous population were dispossessed SHOULD be a way of forcing us to look our errors in the face. He suggests that the first half of the day should be introspective, and the second half of the day can be celebration.

I think this is an excellent idea; however, it is one that has little attention.
I like it. Seems like a nice guy.
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Doesn't America have it's independence day (creation of the country) and thanksgiving (for the first settlers); two holidays for the thing Australians seem to have just 1?
It does seem a bit odd to have "Australia" Day as celebrating convict arrival... :twisted: more indicative of the time/era the choice was made and the inclusivity (who was making decisions) at that time perhaps?

A quick google history says a Foundation Day was originally celebrated back from the early 1800's, whereas Australia Day was 1935, and the holiday only from 1994.

Anyway, how many cliches are true? Is it lobsters on bbq? shrimps?
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Have a day to make right things out of wrong things of the past, together!
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Chips wrote: Mon, 26. Jan 26, 13:33 Doesn't America have it's independence day (creation of the country) and thanksgiving (for the first settlers); two holidays for the thing Australians seem to have just 1?
It does seem a bit odd to have "Australia" Day as celebrating convict arrival... :twisted: more indicative of the time/era the choice was made and the inclusivity (who was making decisions) at that time perhaps?

A quick google history says a Foundation Day was originally celebrated back from the early 1800's, whereas Australia Day was 1935, and the holiday only from 1994.
The issue is that (as I alluded to before), complete independence from the UK is comparatively recent - the final changes were made in 1986. To put it in perspective, my baby sister[1] was born the same year the Australia act was passed. Because of this, until then national holidays tended to reflect the more British identity of Australians in earlier eras.

In 1988, we celebrated Jan 26th as the 200th anniversary of Australia's foundation, and that helped to cement it as the national holiday (and fair play, it was pretty awesome - it is the only time in my life I have literally seen dancing in the streets). From then it became more or less assumed that Jan 26th was our national day. Gazetting it as a permanent public holiday followed from that. But bear in mind that my parents still remember Empire day (just). There's been a lot of change in a relatively short time.
Anyway, how many cliches are true? Is it lobsters on bbq? shrimps?
Heh, "Shrimp on the barbie" was the result of a tourism advertisement in the 80s staring Paul "Crocodile Dundee" Hogan (who, before that role, was just a sketch comedian on Australian TV). Cashing in on his newfound popularity, they had him invite people from overseas by saying "I'll slip an extra shrimp on the barbie for you."

This was hilarious to Australians because of two things:
1) We don't use the word "shrimp," it's "prawn." This was obviously for the American market!
2) As a rule, whilst there ARE BBQ prawn recipes, that's not really something we do a lot (sausages, called "snags" are ubiquitous, and usually if you go to someone's home for a BBQ, people will bring their own meat, which will mostly be lamb or beef).

Therefore "Shrimp on the barbie" has become a phrase we use to describe a Hollywood attempt to sound Australian. It's often accompanied by a person somehow magically teleporting from an opening scene in Sydney (with the Harbour Bridge and Opera House prominently displayed) to some ill-defined outback area, complete with red dust and Red Kangaroos, in a matter of seconds[2].

Our OWN cliche about BBQs is to eat lamb on Australia day - this is the result of a series of advertisements (admittedly hilarious and much loved) involving former AFL footballer Sam Kekovich (who's now far better known for being the "Lambassador" than he ever was for being a footballer or commentator! ;) ). See this year's ad for example . . .


[1] Poor thing, she hates being called "baby sister" at the age of 40. But moving on . . . .

[2] I technically live in Sydney. It takes me an hour by car or train[2] to get to Circular Quay, from where you can see the Harbour Bridge and Opera House. And my home is far from the Western edge of the city (another 45 minutes drive or half hour's train ride to get to Penrith). Whilst you CAN call any country area the outback, the classic red dust outback is at very least 5-10 hours drive inland (and many, if not most Australians have never been there!). Hollywood has no concept of how big Sydney is, let alone how big Australia is, nor does it really understand that of the 28 million Australians, over 18 million of us live in the 8 major cities. ;)

[3] Parking is stupidly expensive in the city, so for me taking a train to Circular Quay is a no brainer. The only question is whether I walk to the main rail line (about 20 mins) or take a bus to Tallawong to get on the faster, more modern underground Metro line. I prefer the Metro, especially during Summer, because it has better air conditioning. ;)
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From the comments of that vid, misery loves company; can't afford Lamb unless it's on a significant sale either :(

Great ad though :D
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Chips wrote: Tue, 27. Jan 26, 02:14 From the comments of that vid, misery loves company; can't afford Lamb unless it's on a significant sale either :(

Great ad though :D
The whole series is BRILLIANT.

My absolute favourite is the 2015 ad - but unfortunately you need to know who the people are to understand it:

In order of appearance:
* Lt James Cook - famous as the person who "discovered Australia" (more accurately provided the first map of the East Coast)
* Richie Benaud - originally a cricketer, but more famous as a cricket commentator. At the time the ad was filmed, he was dying of cancer; this was his last appearance on Australian TV. His catch phrase was "Marvellous."
* Burke and Wills - explorers famous for getting lost and starving to death in the wilderness (aboriginal people were a little mystified, since if they'd have just listened to their guides, there was plenty of local edible stuff around!).
* Ned Kelly - leader of the "Kelly Gang", a group of notorious bushrangers (highwaymen, outlaws). Either a hero or a villain depending on who you ask. :)
* Don Bradman (not appearing in person) - a cricketer, famous for batting brilliantly (i.e. the reason they can't get hold of him is that the English still haven't been able to get him out!).
* Ita Buttrose - Journalist and magazine editor. A well-known arbiter on what should be DONE in Australian society (but a little oldie-worldy). Lamingtons are chocolate-iced sponge cakes rolled in dessicated coconut, a popular dish at Australian parties.
* Billy Birmingham - comedian under the name "The Twelfth Man;" most famous for imitating sports broadcasters, especially Richie Benaud (although the two were good friends in real life, there was a popular myth that Richie hated his impersonation!)!
* Sam Kekovich - the Lambassador, already seen in the previous ad!
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