Greenland

[felter]

I honestly don't think Trump has any idea what it would mean for America if they were to be thrown out of NATO. He talks about needing Greenland for American security but if he starts a war with the rest of NATO it will be bye bye to all of those bases he has with those countries, the list of US bases in Germany alone is 46, there are the air bases, between the UK and Germany there are 11 of those, their naval bases in Spain, Italy, Greece, Iceland and others. Then you also have their early warning system, not to mention all the inelegance they get from NATO countries all gone, on another side note they have numerous weapon stashes all over the place and nuclear weapons in Germany, Italy and Turkey all gone. If they start a war with the rest of NATO, all of that equipment would be gone and in enemy hands overnight, not to mention the amount of personnel they would lose. It is pretty staggering what America will lose if they continue down the path they are being led by Trump, they will probably become the most vulnerable country on the planet, not the safest.

[clakclak]

I did not know if I should put this here or in the Trump thread, but as it is Greenland adjacent news I thought here is good enough.

American officials are now slowly floating the idea of also "acquiring" Iceland. Right now they still call it a "joke" like they always do when floating new ideas. Getting Iceland makes sense when following the logic of their alleged goal here. Island is the "I" in the GIUK gap. Icelanders aren't exactly pleased.

[burger1]

It's not a joke. They are moving towards invading Greenland and Canada. The attack on Venezuela was to get their oil to replace Canadian oil. The US mostly produces the type of oil it can't use. Greenland is also for defending/attacking Europe/NATO. At the end of the day the US needs to be stopped in their tracks which is relatively easy as long as you are prepared to commit to total war. You need to threaten russia also since they are likely behind trump. Anyways Greenland falling = Canada and other countries falling so using MAD might be the best way to stop the US. Deploying biological, chemical and nuclear weapons and showing the will to use them to end the world. Make starting the war so bad that it never happens like the cold war. Same as it is currently between russia and NATO. An uneasy peace. NATO countries need to stop being weak which is how we got into this situation.

Destroying the US economy would be another way but it's probably to late for that. High unemployment = unrest. People could always stop buying US oil since it's where they get most, if not a lot, of their money from.

Pretty sure the US would be angry if China or another country took Hawaii or Alaska. It's the same thing happening to Greenland. A strong military response would be very much in order.

[felter]

Do you think Trump truly is dumb or is he just clueless on what is actually happening, He has announced that he will put tariffs on any country opposed to his Greenland take over. Seriously, we are preparing to go to war with America over this issue, we are not just opposing it, what does he think is going to happen, the only thing we will be trading is death and destruction, and you cannot put tariffs on either of those. If war breaks out there will be no or very limited trade going in or out of America, are Americans this stupid to not know this, that they are the bad guys here no one else.

Just curious, what are America people saying about all of this, do they even know what is going on and what the consequences are or are they just oblivious to it all.

[Falcrack]

Do you think Trump truly is dumb or is he just clueless on what is actually happening, He has announced that he will put tariffs on any country opposed to his Greenland take over. Seriously, we are preparing to go to war with America over this issue, we are not just opposing it, what does he think is going to happen, the only thing we will be trading is death and destruction, and you cannot put tariffs on either of those. If war breaks out there will be no or very limited trade going in or out of America, are Americans this stupid to not know this, that they are the bad guys here no one else.

Just curious, what are America people saying about all of this, do they even know what is going on and what the consequences are or are they just oblivious to it all.

This American thinks Trump is an evil man. If our country devolves into the type of America Trump envisions, one that conquers its neighbors (like Greenland) and oppresses them because it is more powerful, it deserves to end as a nation, just like Russia deserves to end as a nation for its atrocities.

My wife and I are appalled by the rhetoric concerning Greenland. I am one of 6 kids in my family, and I am sure 5 out of 6 of us are totally against it. I haven't talked with my diehard MAGA brother about the subject, so I don't know how he would think about it.

[EGO_Aut]

He simply believes that the EU doesn't have the guts to pick a fight with the US over Greenland. It will be a real test for the EU and for "true" Western values, where it's about power and responsibility, not lies or "alternative truths."

[clakclak]

He simply believes that the EU doesn't have the guts to pick a fight with the US over Greenland. It will be a real test for the EU and for "true" Western values, where it's about power and responsibility, not lies or "alternative truths."

I think this is where there is a fundamental disagreement. To me, this is not about forgein politics at all. It is about distrecting from the Epstein files. None of this is about Europe, all of it is about internal American issues. That is also why in the recent talks J.D. Vance and Rubio did not actually care about anything the Danish FM had to say, because it really does not matter.

[Warenwolf]

Donald Trump has said he will impose 10% tariffs on Nato countries - including the UK, France, and Germany – who have deployed troops to Greenland amid US threats to take over the Arctic island.

In a lengthy Truth Social post, he said “Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, The United Kingdom, The Netherlands, and Finland have journeyed to Greenland, for purposes unknown”, adding: “This is a very dangerous situation for the Safety, Security, and Survival of our Planet.”

Source:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ws-updates

Source 2 (the above one is temp, just Guardian news reel):
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tr ... 026-01-17/

[chew-ie]

Seems like republicans finally are waking up and realising that their president is doing them no favour. A year late, but hey - better late then never...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -greenland

[Vertigo 7]

Seems like republicans finally are waking up and realising that their president is doing them no favour. A year late, but hey - better late then never...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -greenland

just one? try 11. the damage he's done will take generations to repair, if ever. Assuming there's anything left by the time he's been removed.

[felter]

The BBC had an article last night on Trump threatening tariffs over Greenland, they opened their chat which they sometimes do but not always, in 4 hours they had over 7000 messages and I would say that 99.99% of them were anti America/Trump and pro Greenland/Denmark with zero mention of Trump's tariffs, so if he is actually dumb enough to think tariffs will work, he's in for one hell of a big surprise.

[Usenko]

I mean, it's not like the tariffs actually matter to most average people in countries other than the USA. We don't pay them; they don't make our lives difficult.

The more Trump talks about tariffs, the clearer it becomes that he simply doesn't understand how they work. He thinks he's punishing other countries, but he's actually punishing Americans for trading with other countries.

[chew-ie]

The more Trump talks about tariffs, the clearer it becomes that he simply doesn't understand how they work. He thinks he's punishing other countries, but he's actually punishing Americans for trading with other countries.

Indeed. Trade is about trust. By living his imaginary powerfantasy he just broadcasts one thing into the world: the US is no reliable trading partner anymore. He underlines this by actions like Greenland. The message which is forming is: get independent from US products - be it real goods or digital products.

[Vertigo 7]

What dumbass don doesn't get is the world doesn't need the US. China, for example, went from buying $12billioin + in soy from the US to 0 and is now buying soy from Brazil. Likewise, they're no longer importing beef from the US and are importing it instead from Australia. As a result, he's screwed over farmers bigly and they're his strongest demographic.

This dude's a grade A moron. So is anyone that thinks this is somehow better than what would have happened if Harris had won.

[Chips]

Various European countries have sent troops to defend Greenland from the US. Their orders are to shoot first and ask questions later. This might be how trump/russia gets the US out of NATO. Removing the US military bases/presence including civilians seems like a good idea at this point. They are also discussing making a defence force that doesn't include the US.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 96721.html

Denmark's troops have a standing order to defend against invaders. It's always been that way, like most countries -- in the event of hostile actions, they don't have to start calling home to find out if they're allowed to return fire.

The rest of the European forces are not sent to defend Greenland specifically, they've been sent at the invitation of Denmark to participate in training.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 026-01-15/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/france- ... =129241103
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0ydjvxpejo

[clakclak]

And it seems as if we are about to get into a trade war with America. Europe is reportedly considering $93bn in tariffs in response to America's tariffs.

I guess it can not be helped.

Source: https://www.ft.com/content/b2872a49-3d4 ... 7b19e8e436

[Usenko]

What dumbass don doesn't get is the world doesn't need the US. China, for example, went from buying $12billioin + in soy from the US to 0 and is now buying soy from Brazil. Likewise, they're no longer importing beef from the US and are importing it instead from Australia. As a result, he's screwed over farmers bigly and they're his strongest demographic.

THIS.

Whilst tariffs led to yuge increases in price for Americans, the average person from a country hit by Trump's tariffs simply didn't notice. It caused a bit of chaos for anyone involved in export business (it sucked if you were a farmer selling beef or lamb, for instance) but even this was mainly in terms of convenience (i.e. a consistent customer suddenly reduced their buy, so they had to find new customers).

So is anyone that thinks this is somehow better than what would have happened if Harris had won.

They may not be a moron. It's psychologically very difficult, even for smart people, to accept that we've made a mistake, and for many people covering it up with a justification (even a ridiculous one like that) is actually way easier than to simply say "I dun goofed."

[clakclak]

Trump now says that taking Greenland is revenge on Norway for not giving him the Noble Peace Price. I wish I was making this stuff up, but the American king is about two steps removed from having a Game of Thrones esque "burn them all" moment.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tr ... 026-01-19/

[Chips]

China, for example, went from buying $12billioin + in soy from the US to 0 and is now buying soy from Brazil.

This isn't good either, "for the world".

https://www.sei.org/features/connecting ... restation/
https://forestsolutions.panda.org/case- ... moratorium

It's a major driver of deforestation.

For those wanting the media view in Russia of the Greenland farce, Steve Rosenberg from BBC published the video of the various newspapers talking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsBASgFIEvg

[chew-ie]

@Chips

Yeah - seems like that tiny, crucial detail got lost in the last few crazy years to most "leaders". It's like bickering over the last cookie while the room depressurises.