Trump - Criminal Prosecution

[fiksal]

an excellent example of one that wasn't charged with a crime and therefore there was no court case.

again that's how US courts work, which borrowed its structure from British courts I think

[Vertigo 7]

Tell me what was the crime Trump committed for this trial to take place.
May I remind you that the DA even to this day hasn't said what was the actual crime.

lol seriously? Is this the first time you've ever heard of a trial? You do realize that an indictment requires specific allegations of violation of specific federal and/or state laws, right? People in the US aren't put on trial just cuz someone said they did something wrong. Go look at the court docket yourself, it's all in black and white.

I have followed the trial closely, the problem is if there were any irregularities with the election fund (which is this all about), the DOJ found NOTHING. Is a federal crime after all and the states do not have juristiction.

In addition may I remind you both Obama and Hillary pocketed tens of millions, found guilty and received petty fines? Why they weren't put to prison? At least their cases were pretty clear. THEY PUT THE MONEY IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS. And paid NO tax.

Lessee... you hit the trifecta there, whatabouts, Obama, Hillary... good jerb, you do the Russians and GOP proud. Not to mention a profound display of your complete lack of understanding of what this case was about. You keep on Trump'n, you two deserve each other.

[CBJ]

That's enough of the personal stuff. Feel free to debunk the conspiracy theories, but personal attacks are unnecessary and the forum rules are clear on this.

[esd]

In addition may I remind you both Obama and Hillary pocketed tens of millions, found guilty

Obama and Hillary were found guilty by which court? Link please! I'm curious.

[clakclak]

[...]I don't have a remote clue what you're talking about with "5th gen warfare", you'll have to clarify that for us. We're not all up-to-date with conspiracy speak.[...]

Not Panos but let me try to contextualise 5th generation warefare. On the surface level it is nothing but a vague catch all term to define a variety of modern/post-modern warfare techniques. The important part here is that it also includes warfare by social-egineering and misinformation. Social-egineering may sound esoteric, but it is something rather concrete that all of us are exposed to on a daily basis in the form of social nudging. The idea is to influence people to show specific behaviour or adopt certain attitudes. Social nudging is very effective, think for example of signs on escalators telling you to stand right and walk on the left so that the flow of people is more efficient.

Now there are always programs that try a similar approach on a wider scale. Many of these programs are communicated very transparently. For example, the German government has a Program called "Live Democracy" which has two main aims, first to get people to participate in democratic processes and secondly to prevent extremism of all kinds. So far, so boring.

Where the concept of Social-Engineering becomes interesting for conspiricy theories is in the programs that are not disclosed. Russia's current misinformation campaign regarding the Ukraine war is an interesting example of such a program. While these attempts at mass manipulation can be effective, the point where criticism of such efforts turns into conspiricy theories is when people overstate the scale and impact these programs can have. A attempt at manipulation is presented as almost irresistable brainwashing. Furthermore, instead of reflecting the reality that a lot of different actors are constantly engaged in social engineering with often vastly different or even opposing goals, conspirarcies about 5th generation warefare usually postulate that there is one specific narrative that is being "forced upon" (more likely wording probably "forced down our throats"), by a shadowy cabal with overarching power. Who or what that secret orginisation is, is usually dependent on what flavour of conspiracy you encounter. The most modern versions are: "The elites"; "The shadow government"; "The Swamp (TM)"; "The banks"; "Nato"; "The UN" and so on and on. As there is often a deeply antisemetic undertone to these narratives the jewish people are often also partially or fully blamed.

[felter]

So Trump likes to portray himself as an infallible brave man that is not scared of anything even going to jail, but this week he showed his true colours as he went to Judge Merchan and pleaded with him to allow his lawyer to attend his meeting with his parole officer, the guy couldn't even do that by himself.

You know how they make it a big thing when they take a photograph of the presidential candidates making their votes in elections, a consequence of Trump now being a convicted felon is, felons are not allowed to vote in elections, so for the first time since photography became a thing there won't be a photo of one of the candidate, there will be a photograph of Biden making his vote though.

Also, here's a question, remember a few months back Trump bought a hand gun, what's become of that gun as another consequence of becoming a convicted felon is you can't own a gun. Just ask Hunter Biden, what happens when you own a gun when you shouldn't own one.

That failed attempt to sue here in the UK over the Steele dossier turns out Trump was given a bill for £300,000 ($380,0000) for doing so and surprise, surprise he hasn't paid that bill, so there is now a little surprise for him if he ever comes back to the UK as he will be arrested on entering for not paying that bill. Though there is another consequence of becoming a convicted felon, he is actually banned form entering the UK, so there is likely no chance of him ever returning here. So no more golfing in Scotland for him.

[matthewfarmery]

I just read up, that Trump's appeal to get the conviction overturned, will not happen until at least October minimum. Also, I don't think the appeal court will try and hurry that up. As the judges will be on their summer breaks. So whatever punishment, Trump gets, will stick until then. Even then, I think it wll be an uphill battle to get it overturned. So Trump trying to delay things, is now biting him hard.

[matthewfarmery]

So what happened? I thought Trump was going to get sentenced yesterday? Can't find anything, unless its been delayed?

[burger1]

So what happened? I thought Trump was going to get sentenced yesterday? Can't find anything, unless its been delayed?

Presentence probation officer meeting?

[matthewfarmery]

I forgot, its next month. not June. my bad.

[matthewfarmery]

NY's top court has thrown out Trump's team request to get his gag order lifted. Thrown out on thhe street and ripped up into a thousand pieces. What is more, the court has requested that Trump does not attack any court staff or family members of the above. Another loss for the POS, so he won't be happy at all.

[Vertigo 7]

Well, there ya have it. In the most sensible outcome from SCOTUS, which... honestly the bar is pretty low at this point, presidents are immune from prosecution for official acts, not unofficial acts while in office. So, now we're back to felon spice's jan 6 speech... if he was campaigning, as he claimed, that was not an official act... nail his fat orange ass to the f'n wall!

[matthewfarmery]

But it means that a trial before the election is now unlikely. I still think they did Trump's bidding by delaying things so long. While Trump may see this as a major win. And there is certainly some trth there. But it just muddles the water a bit, as we won't see a trial. And it will be up to the lower courts to decide what are official and what isn't. But wasn't that already decided by the NY supreme court?

I think the highest court are a bunch of dickheads. and clearly obstructed Justice. If Trump gets back into power, they will be squarely to blame. And then he will be an emperor.

They should have not taken up the case. So Biden will also share the same immunity, and Trump will not like that.

[Vertigo 7]

Well he should be thankful that they didn't grant absolute immunity cuz then Biden could just order a drone strike on the convict's house and end all this bs.

[felter]

It's not the decision that Americans should be concentrating on, it's the fact that it took SCOTUS 6 long months to come to this decision. For any Americans that are reading this, that's more months than you have in fingers on one hand. If that is not incompetence then I don't know what is, but the American systems both legal and political are so corrupt, that they can't do anything about it, so they continue to take the piss out of the American populace and Americans are so dumb that they actually celebrate this happening to them.

[Vertigo 7]

its not incompetence if its done deliberately. Let's be honest here, the likelihood they were gonna give Carte blanch to a sitting president was nil. That would not serve their own self-interest as that would effectively end the supreme court, beyond the ramifications of saying an individual is above the law just cuz they're president. They played for time for dear leader, that's all they did. And, Felter, there's none of us real Americans that are celebrating this. Our hands our tied until the maga morons start their civil war. There's nothing we can legally do.

[matthewfarmery]

This is just so frelled up, Trump's sentencing for the hush money trial will be delayed. I mean, what the frell? considering that this took place before he even came president? America is fast decling. especially when they are rewriting the laws to bend over backwards for this POS. On the bright side, is that Trump's appeal will also be delayed. Which means, he can't overturn the conviction, until after sentencing.

The American justice system is a total joke. And if he gets back in, he will wreck total havoc on everyone who opposed him. And has gone on record to say what he will do to both the supreme court (making the two oldest judges retire and replace them) use the national guard to evict those he doesn't like. the list goes on. a True dictator, by any other name.

[clakclak]

This is just so frelled up, Trump's sentencing for the hush money trial will be delayed. I mean, what the frell? considering that this took place before he even came president? America is fast decling. especially when they are rewriting the laws to bend over backwards for this POS. On the bright side, is that Trump's appeal will also be delayed. Which means, he can't overturn the conviction, until after sentencing.

The American justice system is a total joke. And if he gets back in, he will wreck total havoc on everyone who opposed him. And has gone on record to say what he will do to both the supreme court (making the two oldest judges retire and replace them) use the national guard to evict those he doesn't like. the list goes on. a True dictator, by any other name.

From what I understand some of the tweets that were used by the prosecution in the Hush money case were made during Trump’s presidency. As the SCOTUS decision considers communication with the public (for example via tweets) as an official act, they can not be used in any case against him, which would open up a route for his appeal.

The idea being that the tweets are technically not admissible evidence which might lead to the trial ending in a mistrial (?) or his appeal being successful?

Damn American law is confusing if you are not American.

[felter]

What a joke, America is, what else can you say about it.

[Vertigo 7]

Yeah, Felter? And where you live is all rainbows and unicorn farts? You're confusing the corruption of the GOP with the rest of us. The GOP is not us. That is the modern day Nazi party.