Trump - Criminal Prosecution

[matthewfarmery]

Looks like Joe Tacopina has made some serious blunders in his second day of cross examination. He got some facts wrong, and he also asked questions he didn't know the answers too. And the Judge had to shut him down a few times. If anything, things are going from bad to worse. And yet, there is more evidence coming down the pipe. So the trial isn't over by a long shot. If anything, I think Joe Tacopina will only double or triple the amount of money that Carroll will get.

[matthewfarmery]

Another lady has said that Trump raped her.

Jessica Leeds, an 81-year-old retired stock broker, while testifying against Donald Trump said that the former president groped her as they were seated next to each other on an airplane in 1979. Leeds said it felt like Trump had a zillion hands. She was testifying against him at a civil lawsuit by writer Jean E Carroll, who accused Trump of raping her at a luxury store in New York in 1996.

Trump's attorney Joe Tacopina said that Trump would not be giving evidence in court. Leeds told the court that she was on a flight to New York when she met Trump. He was sitting near the window when he introduced himself and they shook hands. Leeds said she had no idea who he was as she lived outside New York at the time.

"There was no conversation. It was like out of the blue," Leeds told AFP. "He was trying to kiss me, grabbing my breasts," she added. Over time, Trump has repeatedly denied all allegations of sexual assault. He has never been criminally prosecuted over any such claims. Leeds added that Trump also tried to put his hand up her skirt before she fought him off and walked to the back of the plane. Leeds said the attack lasted for seconds but felt like forever.

Leeds first made her allegations in 2016 ahead of the elections, in an interview with the New York Times. In the weeks running up to the elections, several women came out, accusing Trump of sexually assaulting them. Trump denied all the allegations.

And also, a friend of Carroll has spoken up and backed Carroll's claims, saying that Carroll was hyperventilating and was in real distress.

So not looking good for Trump. I really hope that the jury will believe Carroll and she can win her case.

[Vertigo 7]

Here's the thing. No matter what the outcome of any of these trials, the maga morons will claim conspiracy and swear the orange one is innocent of all wrong doing from now until the end of time. It's been, what... 7 years that facts and reality don't matter to them? Even after the faux "news" implosion, they still believe and push dippy do's election conspiracy claims. Or maybe they don't believe it but they're just screaming loudly so they can push for control of everything to usher in their fascist utopia.

[matthewfarmery]

Here's the thing. No matter what the outcome of any of these trials, the maga morons will claim conspiracy and swear the orange one is innocent of all wrong doing from now until the end of time. It's been, what... 7 years that facts and reality don't matter to them? Even after the faux "news" implosion, they still believe and push dippy do's election conspiracy claims. Or maybe they don't believe it but they're just screaming loudly so they can push for control of everything to usher in their fascist utopia.

Sadly this is true, I read else where that 75% of GOP voters will still vote for Trump, as they still believe the election was stolen from them. Then again, Moscow Mitch has spoken out, saying he not a Trump hater, but doesn't want Trump in the WH, as he will never be president again. But then again, he and his other traitors in the GOP, all looked the other way when there was a good chance of getting rid of him 100%.

Then I am reading reports about if Trump should be pardoned or not? for that, I say no, Trump is a traitor, he should not be pardoned at all.

This is crazy, CNN is going to allow Trump to speak next week in a town hall. Seriously, with all the crap happening, I don't understand why CNN would do this? I suspect Trump might have put in some requirements, like no been fact checked and so on. If that is the case, then the who show will go down in flames. Or if there is any fact checking, Trump will get angry and storm off the stage. So I this could be very bad either way.

[Observe]

This is crazy, CNN is going to allow Trump to speak next week in a forum. Seriously, with all the crap happening, I don't understand why CNN would do this?

It's called democracy and it's about giving candidates and their views fair exposure across the various media platforms. I applaud CNN for being willing to interview Trump, but at the same time, I deride them for cutting out parts of their interview with Robert Kennedy Jr. It is not for the national news media companies to determine which candidates not to cover, or to edit what the candidates say when they do cover them. Democracy can only work with unbiased coverage that is free of censorship. Let the voters decide!

[felter]

Got to agree with Observe, Trump does deserve his coverage, and it shouldn't be edited either, just like if he is found guilty in his current court case even though it is a civil case we can all start calling him Donald J. Trump the rapist instead of allegedly rapist, trust me that one will hurt him more than being refused to speak. But he has still to be found guilty, he is presumed innocent till then.

[Vertigo 7]

well its a civil trial for defamation, not criminal, so there's no guilty/innocent verdict to be had. Admittedly, the jury has to be convinced that darth hamburder likely did commit rape so that she can be awarded damages.

But again, it's not going to matter. The GOP doesn't care what their people do. They only care what everyone else does, or rather, when someone else does something they don't like. In fact, if they take control of enough levels of government, they're going to punish anyone who dares go after one of em. Just look at Gym Jordan and that bunch of losers.

[matthewfarmery]

The issue is, how will this town hall be moderated? It's all very well saying, he should have a right to speak, but we seen him dodge questions, we seen him get angry and storm off. There was a recent incident of a reporter getting booted from his plane, when the reporter asked about the NY DA criminal case against him. Trump throw the person's phone away and demanded that the reporter was removed.

If this was anyone else, I would say the town hall debate is a good thing, but for Trump, a known liar, a failed businessman. a man who can't get over the fact that he lost the election. and still harps on about that. I think this is a very bad thing. On top of all the investigations that are happening.

Sorry, but this guy does not need anymore air time. he will either sprout a lot of nonsense that will either be fact checked or will not be, if its not, then CNN will get blasted for not doing that. if it is fact checked, then Trump will leave.

So there is the problem. Trump already said he won't attend any republican debates. so again, will the town hall thing be moderated, fact checked, or have they made a deal with Trump to allow him to sprout BS and get away with it?

And oh yes, Trump hugging one of the convicted rioters of J6, even signing her backpack. and has been saying for a while now, that he intends to pardon the lot. If anything, that is very anti democratic. Trump does not believe in democracy full stop. So to say that he has a right to be in that town hall, and you call that democracy, is very strange. Because IF he gets back in to WH, he will have a revenge tour, and will destroy everyone that has has tried to hurt him. He will shake the very foundations of America, he should not be in the race. Trump is a tyrant, and wants to be an emperor.

well its a civil trial for defamation, not criminal, so there's no guilty/innocent verdict to be had. Admittedly, the jury has to be convinced that darth hamburder likely did commit rape so that she can be awarded damages.

But again, it's not going to matter. The GOP doesn't care what their people do. They only care what everyone else does, or rather, when someone else does something they don't like. In fact, if they take control of enough levels of government, they're going to punish anyone who dares go after one of em. Just look at Gym Jordan and that bunch of losers.

True, but if the jury does decide that he is in the wrong, then people will probably label him as a rapist, and with so much evidence, its seem more and more that he is. it's just a pity that it is a civil case. but still, there is more coming towards Trump, and that will be far more damning.

[felter]

well its a civil trial for defamation, not criminal, so there's no guilty/innocent verdict to be had. Admittedly, the jury has to be convinced that darth hamburder likely did commit rape so that she can be awarded damages.

That's partly wrong, yes it's a civil trial for defamation, but it is also a separate case for rape, originally there was going to be the 2 separate trials, but it was agreed upon by both parties to put both trials into one as they both cover the same circumstances, so yes there is a guilty not/guilty finding. Even though it is a civil trial, a guilty finding is in itself the same thing it's still a guilty finding, the only real difference is in the consequences where one he would be sent to jail, and the other it is monetary.

You do know if he is found not guilty he will be all over it saying, see I never did anything wrong, while if he is found to be guilty he will make that same statement, it doesn't matter it was a civil trial, but he will still have been found guilty of rape and classed as a rapist, and he will have to live with that forever it won't ever go away, even after he is dead he will still be known as a rapist, if he's found guilty that is which there is no guarantee that will happen.

[matthewfarmery]

It's easy to say that allowing Trump on CNN is good for democracy, but at the same time, he won't be attending the Republican debates. If he was serious about running for president, he should be attending that. But as a former friend has pointed out, Trump is too afraid.

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie (R) said there’s a reason his one-time friend Donald Trump likely won’t be on the stage when Republican presidential hopefuls have their first debate this summer.

“Obviously, he’s afraid,” Christie told conservative talk-show host Hugh Hewitt. “He’s afraid to get on the stage against people who are serious. And I’m sorry to see that he’s that afraid of it.”

Trump, the former president and current GOP frontrunner in the polls, last month indicated that he’s unlikely to attend the debates because he is “leading by seemingly insurmountable numbers” and doesn’t want to subject himself to being “libelled and abused.”

Christie said that if Trump’s ideas were great, his polling lead would only increase after a debate. Since he won’t attend, Christie reasoned he must be afraid a debate could cause him to lose that lead instead.

He said:

“If he’s that afraid of that, how can we count on him to do any better with President Xi than the failures he had in his first term with China? How can we expect him to do any better with Putin than having set the groundwork for the invasion of Ukraine, which his conduct towards Putin certainly helped to establish?”

“This is a guy who seems like he’s afraid,” Christie said. “And if he’s afraid, he has no business being president.”

Christie abandoned his own presidential hopes early in the 2016 campaign and became one of the first big-name Republicans to endorse Trump.

The two were close during much of Trump’s presidency, with Christie getting a Covid-19 infection while helping the then-president prepare for his debates with Joe Biden.

He spent a week in the intensive-care unit.

Christie has since been more critical of Trump, with the two trading barbs in recent months ― a trend that continued during his interview with Hewitt.

Trump, Christie said, doesn’t want to debate because “he doesn’t have a lot of serious answers for the problems that are facing the country right now.”

“All he wants to do is go back and re-prosecute the 2020 election because his feelings are hurt,” Christie added. “He’s a child in that regard.”

Christie said he was considering his own 2024 presidential run and would have a decision within two weeks.

He does make good points, Trump doesn't want to be in the same room as someone who is deeply serious. Someone who might be willing to try and sort things out. Yet Trump will be too afraid of getting his ego bruised. Too afraid that he won't have anything to offer then what he been saying last time.

That is the place Trump should be attending, if he cares for democracy, then the republican debates will be the clear place that he can speak and give his ideas on many of the world problems. But he is too afraid. And he will be too afraid if he turns out to be a total fool and loses his lead.

In contrast, the town hall debate will be simple for him, no challengers, and probably no fact checking or no hard tough questions that he has no clue on what he doing. So his ego won't be bruised, and he will sail right through it. And very likely still maintain the same BS as he always had. And if he is allowed to say the same BS, then CNN will get blasted, as they will then be supportive of this traitorous one time, twice impeached former president. (and we might soon be adding rapist to that title as well)

For someone who doesn't care about democracy, for someone who has said, that the constitution should be torn down, for someone who still supports the rioters that tried to overthrow democracy, for someone who took / stole classified documents, and has been showing them to people. AND obstructed justice AND probably given / sold those said documents to others. This man should not hold the reigns of power ever again!!! He was unfit the first time, and he is clearly unfit this time. The only reason he wants the job of president is to shield himself for all the active investigations into him and his business. But for the job itself, he has no clue. No clue on how America or how it many branches of law works. (and we know this from the letter he sent to congress asking them to stand down the DOJ, but congress has no powers over the executive branch.

All in all, Trump is no interested in democracy one little bit. He is only interested in its power, and what it can do for him. Not what he can do for the country.

Again, CNN is wrong to give Trump this debate, because he should be attending the republican debates instead. But he too afraid to go up against people with real brains. So as that one time friend clearly pointed out, if trump is afraid, he has no business running again for president.

A reporter in Scotland got thrown out of Trump's hotel there who wanted to interview Trump. Yet again, Trump not interested in getting asked tough questions, yet as Trump is running, he should be expecting this kind of thing. So this is twice now he has asked reporters to be escorted out of places. Trump doesn't want to be interviewed and get asked hard hitting questions or asked questions about the investigations.

So with that all said, what kind of questions will CNN ask? that is the problem.

Moore contempt of court, Trump has stopped sending emails to Attorney General Letitia James, regarding to her $250 million lawsuit against Trump org.

A letter submitted to the court last week revealed “an unexplained drop-off in emails for Ivanka Trump” as another one of the issues for the investigators. The request comes from the fraud investigation into the Trump Organization's business practices. Already, Trump has been forced to pay $110,000 in fines because Judge Arthur Engoron found the former president in contempt because he wouldn't comply with a subpoena.

And Jack Smith is starting to look into wire transfer fraud. That too caries a hefty prison sentence. So again, The Trump crime family failing to comply and unless more serious contempt charges are levelled against Trump, he will continue to look the other way and dodge the bullet. i'ts high time, that a judge /s start taking things seriously and do something about their contempt.

Again an innocent man wouldn't be doing this. But we know Trump and co are guilty as charged.

[matthewfarmery]

Very good interview about giving air time to Trump on CNN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EvZDhL9sWc&t=5s

There is another angle, now that Fox has been deflated, CNN might be wanting to become the next new Fox news. If they do that, it probably will blow up in their faces.

Also, Trump might try to finish what he started with the insurgence, (I already said, he hugged one of the convicted J6 rioters) And lets also not forget that Trump is saying that E Carroll is making things up etc, but at the same time, Trump himself is a known liar, so he is basically been giving a platform to continue those lies. This is why there needs to be a line drawn. Because if Trump does continue his usual BS, then others might sue CNN for been a platform that allowing such lies. Those same lies that hurt fox. so this is very shaky ground that CNN is walking on by allowing Trump on.

edit, Trump has cut his trip short to return to NYC, but then again, the court case is pretty nearly over. And B, I guess he got fed up from been asked about this case and others against him.

But regardless, the evidence against Trump seems over whelming. what is more, another lady has taken to the stand and said that Trump raped her at his home December 2005, he only stopped when a butler came in.

Stoynoff, a Canadian citizen who used an old family name for her writing career, said that Trump, after pushing her against a wall at the Palm Beach resort, forcibly kissed her.

"I hear the door shut behind me. And by the time I turn around, he has his hands on my shoulders and he pushes me against the wall and starts kissing me, holding me against the wall," Stoynoff said.

"He was against me and just holding my shoulders back," she added. "I didn't say words. I couldn't. I tried. I mean, I was just flustered and sort of shocked and I—no words came out of me. I tried, though. I remember just sort of mumbling."
Stoynoff said Trump only pulled back when a butler came into the room to report that Melania was ready for the next phase of the interview.

Stoynoff told the jury that, just like Leeds, she only went public with the allegations after the infamous Access Hollywood tape, in which Trump can be heard boasting about grabbing women "by the p****," was released just ahead of the 2016 election.

"I actually for the first time thought to myself, 'Oh, he does this to a lot of women. It's not just me. It's not just something I did,'" Stoynoff said.

"And then the horrifying part to me was that I worried—I worried that because I didn't say anything at the time, other women were hurt by him."

I call that compelling.

[matthewfarmery]

Seems another breaking story, an insider witness concerning the documents case. the name is under seal, but seems to be a former aid. What is more, Jack smith is also probing Trump's business dealings with Liv golf. (no surprise there) probably sold or given some of the classified documents to them. Afterall, Trump and his son in law got a huge amount of money from the Saudi.

So things are hotting up. Trump is probably going to be having sleepless nights again wondering who has betrayed him.

[Chips]

Trump is probably going to be having sleepless nights again wondering who has betrayed him.

Doubt it, the guy is delusional in the extreme.

[felter]

LOL me thinks Trump is in trouble, his defence against his defamation and also sexual assault and rape trial is, I didn't do it she's lying, and he isn't even brave enough to say it in court under oath. His lawyers never even called one single witness, they couldn't even find one to at least do a character reference, which means no one was willing to take the stand and under oath say Donald J. Trump wouldn't do that sort of thing.

I think he must have been taking some stick here for him coming to Scotland and Ireland to play golf, there must have been more than a few who were asking why he was here and not defending himself in court against the allegations, as he had a hissy fit and ran away back to America with his tail between his legs ranting on that he was going to confront his accuser, meanwhile his lawyer is saying no your honour, my client won't be coming to court to make a statement. The judge has been kind and has given him till Sunday 5pm to change his mind, so we'll see, but I doubt Trump will appear in court, instead he will just rant about it on his social media. This also causes him a problem as it removes the Judge was not fair to me play, as the Judge didn't need to give him this extra chance to appear.

Juries can be X2 sagt Bussi auf Bauch and there is no guarantee on how they will find in a trial, but right now all the evidence points to Trump being found guilty as he didn't bring any kind of defence.

[Observe]

...but right now all the evidence points to Trump being found guilty as he didn't bring any kind of defence.

I agree. The likelihood of Trump being found guilty in this case seems quite high. For one thing the jury in a civil case, has a lower standard of guilt than in a criminal trial. For a guilty verdict, all the jury needs to decide, is that there is a 51 percent degree of certainty that Trump did commit sexual violence against the accuser. If found guilty, I suspect Trump will lose some of his base. Even among far-right extremists, the label of 'sex offender' doesn't sit well with many of them.

[matthewfarmery]

His lawyer will of course get fired and be on the dole queue. And of course Trump will not pay him. (unless he got money upfront?) I also doubt Trump will appear in court, I think Trump's team will very likely appeal the court ruling, but I think it will likely get dismissed. Of course Trump will say, I was never given the chance to appear in court, and my lawyer told me not too.

But with so much evidence against Trump, and Trump has zero defence, I also say that a guilty verdict is very high.

But yes, Trump got sick of all the questions and ran. But still, he going to either have to face such questions in the town hall, or CNN will play nice and allow Trump his way. Trump just craves power and still wants to be a wannabe dictator, again, why I think the town hall thing is a bad idea. American needs to remember the past, otherwise, they will be comdemed to repeat the same mistakes as a few other countries.

[felter]

Donald Trump depositions in his rape trial has been released. Funny enough, currently the only full version (48 min long) I could find was on a fox channel.

[euclid]

... The likelihood of Trump being found guilty in this case seems quite high. ...

He will do anything to avoid a criminal record as this will prevent him to become president (correct me if I'm wrong here but imsr then this is part of the US law).

Cheers Euclid

[Chips]

It's not a criminal case though, is it?

[Observe]

It's not a criminal case though, is it?

Not a criminal case, because the statute of limitation is expired. Instead, it is a civil case, because there was a law that temporarily opened opportunity for a civil suit in such cases. Since it's not a criminal case, there can be no jail sentence, but there can be a financial penalty, along with having to wear the label of being found guilty of rape in a court of law.