Trump - Criminal Prosecution

[Observe]

I believe they actually have him on tape from his own security system rifling through the boxes that contained the files.

Do they have that on tape, or was it some employees who saw him looking through the boxes?

[Vertigo 7]

No, there was a thing a week or two back that specifically said the doj has video tape evidence of the hamburdler in that storage room in his klan club house going through the boxes dated prior to the sworn statements to the FBI.

This is why the judge ruled in this case that dingleberry's attorneys can be compelled to testify against their client under the "crime fraud" exception, meaning attorney-client privilege does not apply when communication or action by the attorneys is used in furtherance of a crime (obstruction of justice, in this case).

[matthewfarmery]

Jack Smith does have a former Aide's log book, as well, that has a wealth of information in it. That also backed up that Trump personally went through the boxes before the FBI search. Also, some of his SS detail will be forced to testify against him, and they will also help to collaborate things.

Seems that the Judge hasn't acted against Trump yet, I really thought he might have done. Also, he and his family are still getting a lot of death threats, so its possible their safety might be handled first.

I do hope that Jack Smith will drop the hammer on Trump, that will really hurt him no end.

[Vertigo 7]

In yet another criminal investigation of his high orangeness, feds are now probing wire fraud for his apparently illegal bilking of millions in donations to champion his election fraud lies.

I was wondering how the proceedings of the Dominion lawsuit against Faux "news" was going to play into criminal charges. I'm hopeful that the recordings released by a former Faux employee that have Rudy Colludy and Lord Hamburder's campaign managers basically saying they had no proof of their claims is going to play badly for Diaper Don.

[Gavrushka]

I came to this thread to follow Trump's various prosecutions...

...and I stayed to enjoy Vertigo's naming convention!

[matthewfarmery]

Seems that the probe against Trump has widened to Trump maybe charged with espionage, because its now known he has been showing off classified documents to others. What documents and to whom, we still don't know. But this will be a serious charge, if proven, and either 10 years or the death penalty. Trump is now in even more serious crap then before.

Also, Trump is now suing Michael Cohen for $500 m, This means, that Michael Cohen is telling the truth, and Trump isn't very bright at all. I think the likelihood of this been a win for trump will be zero. And probably could be used against him.

[chew-ie]

Whatever they do, I hope they can jail him fast. The world has to move on / has more important matters to attend to.

[Vertigo 7]

There's one thing that happening in all of these post 2020 election criminal and civil lawsuits is that the entire GOP is getting exposed. Sure, we already knew the mainstream GOP members like McCarthy, Gym Jordan, Green, Bobert, Gaetz, Cruz, the talking heads at Faux "news", et. al., are full of it. Now, their own voters and people are being forced to acknowledge it.

Case in point, the failed stunt to expel Tennessee house democrats over protests against gun violence. Even though they did successfully vote to expel 2 of the black democrats, they were sworn back in within days and the republican governor of Tennessee is making the unprecedented call for a RWNJ for stricter gun laws. Additionally, in Arizona, one of the MAGA morons in the Arizona house was expelled by her own party just a few days ago after she was investigated for having brought a nut job in to testify before the house that the Arizona legislature and governor and others were receiving bribes from drug cartels with no evidence. Turned out the two knew each other and her testimony was coached.

Maybe I'm being too hopeful but these are some small signs that there is the possibility for GOP to finally start taking some accountability and earn some measure of redemption. Still, they have a long f'n way to go after the massive pit they dug for themselves.

[felter]

So if you didn't know, Trumps civil rape and defamation case with E Jean Carroll started yesterday and Trump is feeling the heat as this morning he went onto his social media platform and started ranting about the case saying a few things he probably shouldn't have said, Carroll's lawyer raised the matter with the Judge in the case who pulled Trump's lawyer up and went to town on him, accusing Trump of using his posts to influence not just the public but also possibly the jury in his case, so the Judge has said to Trump's lawyer to get him to stop, or he will be held in contempt, basically he has threatened Trump with Jail time if he doesn't stop with the nasty posts.

So we will see what tomorrow brings, especially as today Carroll went into the witness box and directly accused Trump of raping her all those years ago.

[matthewfarmery]

The judge needs to put a gag order on Trump and his kids, and its not just Trump this time. Problem is, this is just a civil case, so I don't know what powers the judge has if Trump doesn't shut up? if it was criminal, that is another ball game. But with so much evidence against Trump, and his recent actions, he isn't playing an innocent man, so I do hope the juror find him guilty as charged. He will then be branded as a rapist, even if this isn't the rape trial, as that been put on hold for now.

[Vertigo 7]

you piss off a judge in a civil or criminal case, doesn't matter, you can be jailed for contempt. However, unlike TV shows, a judge can't indefinitely imprison someone for contempt. If it's too severe, they will have to refer the matter for a criminal contempt trial with a different judge.

[felter]

I think most times a judge will send the offender to jail for a single night and that is normally enough to sort them out as they get a taste of what will be more permanent if they keep it up. Can you imagine Trump being sent to Rikers and banged up for just a single night and what that would do to him, it would certainly sort him out and prepare him more for his future incarceration.

Can I also just say, I broke the news about trump being told to behave himself before most of the mainstream American news outlets did.

OH, and another thing that happened, not in the Rape case but Pence finally gave evidence to the Jan 6th Grand jury on what happened between him and trump and what trump said, something trump went to great lengths to try and stop but of course failed, just like he has on all the other times he tried to stop people giving evidence, not looking too good for him.

[matthewfarmery]

Even thought it was behind closed doors, from what little we know, it was pretty damning. So another big step in bringing down Trump.

Also, E. Jean Carroll got grilled by Joe Tacopina, he was shameless, but I don't think he accomplished his goal. I read a bit of the transcript, I bet Trump pretty much ordered him to say some of those things. And I don't think the jury would have been too keen either. I think they have already made their minds up. Trump will lose, and Trump's lawyers will be fired.

[felter]

So it turns out Yesterday was a bit of a mess in the Carroll trial as Trump's lawyer Joe Tacopina got into an argument and was shouting and screaming at Carroll during her cross-examination, it got so bad at one point the judge had to step in and tell him to calm it down. A lot of defence lawyers in America are slating him for it as the wrong way to do this kind of cross-examination of a suspected rape victim, at the end of the day all he really accomplished was making the jury members feel sorry for her, which as a defence lawyer you don't want to do that.

[chew-ie]

Just checking - still not jailed that guy? What are they waiting for?

[matthewfarmery]

So it turns out Yesterday was a bit of a mess in the Carroll trial as Trump's lawyer Joe Tacopina got into an argument and was shouting and screaming at Carroll during her cross-examination, it got so bad at one point the judge had to step in and tell him to calm it down. A lot of defence lawyers in America are slating him for it as the wrong way to do this kind of cross-examination of a suspected rape victim, at the end of the day all he really accomplished was making the jury members feel sorry for her, which as a defence lawyer you don't want to do that.

Top it off, Trump is still posting stuff against E Carroll, so I think the judge will be forced to take action. What kind of action, I don't know, but Trump been warned before and during the trial not to post stuff. But he still didn't heed the warnings. I think Trump might have already given up on the trial and thinks he had lost already, so what is there to lose?

But yeah, Joe Tacopina did a really bad job, but I think he too will be fired soon, then he will have egg on his face and no pay check.

[matthewfarmery]

I would have thought that Trump's passport would have been confiscated? As Trump is now in Scotland, ahead of King Charles Coronation? But anyway, he now in Scotland. What is more, Joe Tacopina is now asking for a mistrial, as he saying that he couldn't ask all the questions that he wanted too. (like the dress) but that was off the table, because Trump didn't provide a DNA sample) And Joe Tacopina was shouting and badgering Carroll.

So yeah, if you want win, ask for a mistrial, and hope it gets thrown out. I mean, when Trump went to NY to get his finger prints done, he was placed under the SS detail. So how the heck is he still been allowed to travel? mind blowing. I wonder what both judges (Carroll case) and the Stormy Daniels case will say about this? I doubt either will be very happy. especailly Carroll case, because Trump been posting stuff against Carroll. so Trump should be held in contempt.

Trump should not have been allowed to travel, silly that he is still able too.

[fiksal]

what you are describing is the unwritten idea in the American system that presidents are slightly above all laws.

[matthewfarmery]

what you are describing is the unwritten idea in the American system that presidents are slightly above all laws.

Well Trump clearly thinks he is above the law, I mean during Carroll case, both Trump and his son /s were posting stuff against Carroll, and the Judge warned Trump's lawyer if this continues, then one or both will be sailing into troubles waters. But over the weekend, Trump ignored this. So he should be in contempt of court. I still think the US justice system still seems to be treating Trump with kids gloves. OK this is unprecedented, but Trump is not above the law. And if he done wrong, in this case he has. Then the Judge should be able to throw the book at him.

the other judge warned Trump to keep his mouse shut as well, otherwise, there will be trouble.

So again, I would have thought his passport would have been taken away from him for the time being? considering, he is heading into a criminal case. So many failures in the US system, its just mind blowing.

Edit

Mistrial denied, The judge has smacked this down. Especailly there there is more evidence coming. So the trial will continue.

[felter]

Don't read anything into the mistrial claim, as that's the way this game is played. If he hadn't done it and at a later date did try to claim a mistrial he would be asked why he didn't make that claim during the trial and that could be held against him in the new claim, so he has to do it, whether he thinks there is a mistrial or not, and he probably knew or at least suspected the judge would deny it when he made the claim.