Spoiler question - about Paranid and Split plot

[mr.WHO]

I heard that finishing paranid and Split plot will end their civil wars.

I have a question about post plot relations - will this finish hostilities only between same races (e.g. HOP vs PAR, ZYA vs FRF)? or also the others involved?

I mean Split are hostile to all other races.
HOP is also at war with ARG and ANT.

Will these hostilities also cease?
I'm afraid that if HOP make peace with PAR, they will roll over Argons with no sweat.

[Berserk Knight]

Both plots have 2 outcomes as far as I know, and the Paranid plot has very different outcomes.

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One doesn't just end the civil war - it UNITES the 2 Paranid factions into a new faction. This one stops ALL non-Xenon wars in the base game. (New faction is only hostile to Fallen Families.)
The other adds another faction that's hostile to both Paranid factions, making it a 3 way civil war.

In either case, you probably don't have to worry about the Argons.

[radcapricorn]

Guys, the spoilers forum exists for a reason

[mr.WHO]

Interesting - we have option to unite Paranid and Split, but not Argon.

Maybe a new plot will come in future update to Rebuild Proper Argon Federation?

[Shehriazad]

Interesting - we have option to unite Paranid and Split, but not Argon.

Maybe a new plot will come in future update to Rebuild Proper Argon Federation?

Afaik the ANT are not interested in reuniting as they have grown in power during their separation and are quite happy just having the ARG as PARTNERS.

So the plot would be either growing the ANT Empire to make them be taken more serious and possibly make ARG accept their full independance OR the ARG overthrow ANT with force...basically creating ANOTHER faction war...but one that ARG has no hope of winning as long as ZYA, XEN and the Paranids are knocking on their door.

So I guess the latter could only become available if one of the warring factions is either wiped out or brought to neutral/allied relations first....or they include HAT to replace the ANT government installed which would essentially wipe out ANT and create a HAT empire under the heel of the ARG.


Either way the idea is interesting but it would be veeeery fiddly as the ARG empire is the most unstable due to its' plentiful enemies.

[mr.WHO]

What about guild missions after Paranid unification?
Do they have Paranid vs. Xenon missions?

[Alia5]

Dal gives me the choice between the info about the paranid war or info about the split.

From my understanding this starts either the paranid plot or some split plot (not the split start plot(s)).

The question now is: Do i lock myself out of one or the other by choosing.
Is it even possible to complete both plots in the same save?

[LostSoul]

I have started both plots in parallel, but finished the Paranid one first. I can and still have to finish the Split plot.

But, each plot has two paths and will reach (a clearly pointed out) point, where you have to chose one path or the other. The other path is blocked afterwards for the current playthrough.

[A99899]

in paranid plot I have planted the bombs . how do I get back to Grides ship ?

[LostSoul]

Fly back outside in your spacesuit. Do not detonate the bombs yourself (Gride will do this, once you are back outside).

[A99899]

every time I try that I can not get aboard her ship [ modded game }

[LostSoul]

every time I try that I can not get aboard her ship [ modded game }

Have you tried entering your own ship and flying close to Gride's ship?

[A99899]

yes but every time I start to leave dal starts yapping about gride not being happy with the choice

[rboerdijk]

yes but every time I start to leave dal starts yapping about gride not being happy with the choice

If Gride complains, the Bombs were not planted (correctly).

Things to check:

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- Did you open the glass shielding the cores? ( you should have seen a cutscene, one for each core when you opened it).
- Did Dal confirm that "Both bombs are in place now", when placing the 2nd bomb?

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[A99899]

no I did not know you had to open the glass shield will try again Thanks.

[LostSoul]

yes but every time I start to leave dal starts yapping about gride not being happy with the choice

Some suggestions from the German counter part discussion:
Did you attack the switch boxes in the cocoon room before flying out of this room?

An animation plays for each of the boxes showing the shielding for the energy tube to be removed. Sometimes, this does not work and you have to repair&re-break the boxes. With the shielding removed, you should be able to put the bombs correctly.

[A99899]

Thanks for all the help Got it done !

[mediacenter]

the number and type of ship to deliver for the unification is always the same or its random?
i lost my progression becouse of a power failure, if its always the same i start capturing stuff along the mission

[LostSoul]

the number and type of ship to deliver for the unification is always the same or its random?
i lost my progression becouse of a power failure, if its always the same i start capturing stuff along the mission

I believe the number/equipment of the ships to be fixed. They differ between both Paranid plot paths, but are the same for both Split plot paths.

[mediacenter]

the number and type of ship to deliver for the unification is always the same or its random?
i lost my progression becouse of a power failure, if its always the same i start capturing stuff along the mission

I believe the number/equipment of the ships to be fixed. They differ between both Paranid plot paths, but are the same for both Split plot paths.

it was

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1 zeus sentinel
6 odysseus vanguard
18 gorgon sentinel
9 nemesis vanguard

right?
i remember vaguely, i have to redo even the hat plot