[MOD] Variety and Rebalance Overhaul (VRO) 4.x

[Shuulo]

I'm not sure if that's tracking speed affecting that, and because the new beams aren't really beams.

They do struggle to hit small targets yes, and sometimes the heavy weapons fire before they're actually aimed at the thing they're trying to shoot at, but yeah the very fast weapons seem to be a little bit behind on leading targets.

That might be desirable though given how lethal the weapons are. If anything sits still or comes at you head on it gets shredded.

All of these are Vanilla issues with turrets, they are simply a bit more prominent with ROF and damage of modded weapons.

Going to test this out over FOCW for a while
Mainly because I prefer weapons this way.

It works fine with FOCW if you wonder, no need to choose.

[Shuulo]

New Version
Version 1.3:
- slight rebalance of travel engines as they were superior in every aspect over all-round
- slight rebalance of M freighters, scouts and Paranid Destroyer speeds
- rebalance of L turret weapons - damage reduced a bit to make fights between L ships a bit longer, Heavy lance is not the ultimate killer now
- updated few effects for weapons
- Xenon L beam is now true beam, as xenons tend to stay on target more than other factions the "beam problem" is not that severe with them

-fix: Heavy Lance lifetime reduced by half to exclude situations were beam hits firing ship if ship itself moves fast.

[SpenzOT]

This mod adds much needed flavor to the combat. However, the weapons need encyclopedia entries to explain what role they all perform. I can't guess what their purpose is with names and stats alone. It just gets confusing, especially with the smaller weapons and their many variants. An example would be with the Cyclone. I wouldn't have guessed that it was a laser unless I used it. An encyclopedia entry, or a better name would be helpful.

Other than that, this mod is def in my essentials list.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

This mod adds much needed flavor to the combat. However, the weapons need encyclopedia entries to explain what role they all perform. I can't guess what their purpose is with names and stats alone. It just gets confusing, especially with the smaller weapons and their many variants. An example would be with the Cyclone. I wouldn't have guessed that it was a laser unless I used it. An encyclopedia entry, or a better name would be helpful.

Other than that, this mod is def in my essentials list.

+1 50 hours into game time with this mod, the item descs need to be updated when thing go beyond a tweak to a overhaul.

[Shuulo]

Version 1.4:
New: all weapons now have very brief in-flaff description.
New: Faction Battleships mod now integrated, you will be able to buy new battleships, Ai will use them as well to patrol sectors.

- made a small balance pass on all weapons, shotguns have more damage, ion wepaons have more shield damage, Xenon beam weapon has slight increase in damage output
- updated some impact graphic effects of small weapons and their sounds
- buffed M shields a bit
- some polishing and bug fixing

[Neloth23]

Amazing job!

The descriptions are exactly what was needed IMO.

Keep up the good work!

[Misunderstood Wookie]

Version 1.4:
New: all weapons now have very brief in-flaff description.
New: Faction Battleships mod now integrated, you will be able to buy new battleships, Ai will use them as well to patrol sectors.

- made a small balance pass on all weapons, shotguns have more damage, ion wepaons have more shield damage, Xenon beam weapon has slight increase in damage output
- updated some impact graphic effects of small weapons and their sounds
- buffed M shields a bit
- some polishing and bug fixing

Outstanding!

[rosssack]

so this wont work with focw mod

tried - works with FOCW, totally replaces all his balance changes, nothing should conflict.

hi nice it,s great to see different weapon types in game

[Chris0132]

I'm not sure if that's tracking speed affecting that, and because the new beams aren't really beams.

They do struggle to hit small targets yes, and sometimes the heavy weapons fire before they're actually aimed at the thing they're trying to shoot at, but yeah the very fast weapons seem to be a little bit behind on leading targets.

That might be desirable though given how lethal the weapons are. If anything sits still or comes at you head on it gets shredded.

All of these are Vanilla issues with turrets, they are simply a bit more prominent with ROF and damage of modded weapons.

I think it's probably a good thing overall tbh, fast, small targets should be able to evade turrets if they fly correctly, and as said they still wipe anything that isn't flying evasively. If they were any better at hitting things then fighters would be obsolete.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

v1.4 few things I have noticed so far -

• Some symbols are unable to be parsed by the engine -
  
  quotations appear as an invalid symbol and get replaced with a place holder symbol when reading from the encyclopedia.
• A few of the weapons/turrets are lacking descriptions so maybe you just did not get around to adding all of them this pass.
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  A number of texts read a little incorrect to me, are these a typo? I believe the intended word may have been "boasting"/"Boast" a number of these exist in the texts.

[Shuulo]

v1.4 few things I have noticed so far -

• Some symbols are unable to be parsed by the engine -
  
  quotations appear as an invalid symbol and get replaced with a place holder symbol when reading from the encyclopedia.
• A few of the weapons/turrets are lacking descriptions so maybe you just did not get around to adding all of them this pass.
• 
  A number of texts read a little incorrect to me, are these a typo? I believe the intended word may have been "boasting"/"Boast" a number of these exist in the texts.

Yeah, thanks for pointing out, most of these are corrected in my internal build, but it's so minor that I won't release it till I have some more features to go along.
And that's for boosting - boasting clarification, I did not notice that I was using the wrong word, English is not my native.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

v1.4 few things I have noticed so far -

• Some symbols are unable to be parsed by the engine -
  
  quotations appear as an invalid symbol and get replaced with a place holder symbol when reading from the encyclopedia.
• A few of the weapons/turrets are lacking descriptions so maybe you just did not get around to adding all of them this pass.
• 
  A number of texts read a little incorrect to me, are these a typo? I believe the intended word may have been "boasting"/"Boast" a number of these exist in the texts.

Yeah, thanks for pointing out, most of these are corrected in my internal build, but it's so minor that I won't release it till I have some more features to go along.
And that's for boosting - boasting clarification, I did not notice that I was using the wrong word, English is not my native.

No worries,
I saw one other minor issue with turrets too-

[mr.WHO]

Is there a chance to re-introduce boosters for fighters?
I do agree with overall boosters removal for big ships (it was very odd in the first place), but I think on S-size ships they work kinda OK even by AI.

[Général Grievous]

Is there a chance to re-introduce boosters for fighters?
I do agree with overall boosters removal for big ships (it was very odd in the first place), but I think on S-size ships they work kinda OK even by AI.

Well, i disegree, cause i hate seeing my fighters using boost to escape, then come back to fight with... no shields...

[Misunderstood Wookie]

Is there a chance to re-introduce boosters for fighters?
I do agree with overall boosters removal for big ships (it was very odd in the first place), but I think on S-size ships they work kinda OK even by AI.

Well, i disegree, cause i hate seeing my fighters using boost to escape, then come back to fight with... no shields...

Agreed, however overall the ai needs work.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

I left a comment on the workshop but I was on hear and figured out there is a new project from the AI-Ship developer.
viewtopic.php?f=181&t=409546&p=4861615#p4861615

I put a reqeust in with the DeadAir Gates dev to add support for the new faction and sectors of this his new mod,
I put the same request to you as check/add balance support for the new ships in that mod to work along with your mod.

Maybe it would be more beneficial to combine forces and co-dev a super overhaul mod.
This could be start of something similar in scale too X3's LitCube's universe overhaul which arguably is as must have as part of the vanilla X3 Albion prelude install if nothing else.

[aurelcourt]

All docking was redone to make sense with difference in ships variants as well.

Hi,
Thanks a lot for the work put in this mod which goes in the right direction for me! (Especially big ships behaviour...)

What do you mean by the docking redone as quoted above ?

[Shuulo]

All docking was redone to make sense with difference in ships variants as well.

Hi,
Thanks a lot for the work put in this mod which goes in the right direction for me! (Especially big ships behaviour...)

What do you mean by the docking redone as quoted above ?

Its about docking capacities, 40 ships to dock in small destroyer always was stupid to me, so new capacities are: (note that encyclopedia is glitchy and adds 10 more in most cases, while in fact its as below)
drones | S | M
ship_arg_l_destroyer_01_a_macro 20 14
ship_arg_l_destroyer_01_b_macro 20 12
ship_par_l_destroyer_01_a_macro 20 5 2
ship_par_l_destroyer_01_b_macro 15 4 2
ship_tel_l_destroyer_01_a_macro 35 8
ship_tel_l_destroyer_01_b_macro 45 6
ship_arg_xl_carrier_01_a_macro 45 70 12
ship_arg_xl_carrier_01_b_macro 55 70 10
ship_par_xl_carrier_01_a_macro 30 83 8
ship_par_xl_carrier_01_b_macro 35 73 8
ship_tel_xl_carrier_01_a_macro 65 64 15
ship_tel_xl_carrier_01_b_macro 100 58 15
ship_arg_xl_battleship_01 20 10 3
ship_par_xl_battleship_01 15 8 5
ship_tel_xl_battleship_01 40 14 3

[aurelcourt]

Thanks for your answer, makes perfect sense !

Now we mostly need proper carrier commands + wing commands, and turrets target settings (X3's "capitals only"/"fighters only" ect...) and we'll start to get a great game to play with!!

Of course + all the "mass unit management" that's currently missing and making it a chore to handle more than 10-20 ships in a fleet ...

Keep up the good work

[Misunderstood Wookie]

Thanks for your answer, makes perfect sense !

Now we mostly need proper carrier commands + wing commands, and turrets target settings (X3's "capitals only"/"fighters only" ect...) and we'll start to get a great game to play with!!

Of course + all the "mass unit management" that's currently missing and making it a chore to handle more than 10-20 ships in a fleet ...

Keep up the good work

Yea that is my biggest complain about X4 atm, its AI logic behaviour and avoidance tied with lack of fleet management as with X3 I just install Litecubes universe mod and BANG you have all you ever need for an endless game and you can give any order you like and mass default actions by fleet instead of per unit etc etc

X4 and Rebirth lack the scripting engine thus we lack the ability to add proper functions like this without replacing the the existing or using hacky methods to run right-click menus