Boobies

[Katorone]

I'm a 32y/o atheist and don't see any reason to minimize the role of women into sexual objects. I haven't yet encountered one woman in X:R who had anything smart to say. If this is the image of a future the dev team has, then it's pretty bleak one.

[amtct]

I'm a 32y/o atheist and don't see any reason to minimize the role of women to sexual objects. I haven't yet encountered one woman in X:R who had anything smart to say. If this is the image of a future the dev team has, then it's pretty bleak one.

I havent yet encountered one woman to play it

[imperium3]

I think this is a thread that's crying out for amtct...

@katorone I don't think any of the men in XR have much smart to say either. Some characters are supposed to be (Yisha for example) but it's more an issue with bad writing than sexism, I think.

Personally I have no issue with the mod in question. If someone wants that sort of thing - for example if it makes them feel comfortable about letting their children play it - then let them go ahead. A much better approach than the alternative, which would be either not playing the game or going to the main forums and demanding Egosoft take that content out (which would provoke an instant flamewar).

[Katorone]

@katorone I don't think any of the men in XR have much smart to say either. Some characters are supposed to be (Yisha for example) but it's more an issue with bad writing than sexism, I think.

Agreed. NPCs in X:R are very shallow. With Yisha they missed an opportunity to have you work together with someone who's smart, instead of a puppet with a window to her breasts.

I'm all for sexualization within context though. I wouldn't have mind one large strip club or even brothel in some shady part of the universe. They could throw in a crack den as well.

[felter]

I thought this was going to be about birds, and here it's not, well not the real kind of birds anyway.

The Blue footed booby has to be one of my favourite birds, it's those feet they're blue. It's also the way they catch their food, a quick dive and then they kind of fly underwater chasing those fish, an excellent bird indeed.

[fiksal]

I thought this was going to be about birds, and here it's not, well not the real kind of birds anyway.

The Blue footed booby has to be one of my favourite birds, it's those feet they're blue. It's also the way they catch their food, a quick dive and then they kind of fly underwater chasing those fish, an excellent bird indeed.

Actually, surprisingly (and I have surprised myself), so did I.

I googled that bird - that's an awesome looking bird!


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Anyways, in New York it's legal for women to walk around topless. They just werent sure if that would actually fly there, and after some people tried, apparently it can.

More power to those folks I say. I go around half naked all the time myself, and feel like everyone should be able to regardless of the gender

[Stars_InTheirEyes]

I hardly think Yisha has a window to her breasts...

Have you seen modern fashion? Cut outs around the breasts on womens clothing is actually quite common; example.

Its not sexism. Its overreaction.

[fiksal]

I hardly think Yisha has a window to her breasts...

Red haired girl ? She is in full body space suit-ty stuff... as I remember it

[Katorone]

I hardly think Yisha has a window to her breasts...

Have you seen modern fashion? Cut outs around the breasts on womens clothing is actually quite common; example.

Its not sexism. Its overreaction.

Actually, that's a dress. Not someone who's covered entirely besides that triangle.

[Bishop149]

I hardly think Yisha has a window to her breasts...

Its not sexism. Its overreaction.

Nope its sexism alright.

And having googled the character in question I'd say "breast window" is a pretty spot on description personally.

I could write a small essay here on oversexualisation of female characters in popular culture, how you rarely see a male character in skimpy overtly sexual clothing (and that when you do its mostly targeted at a gay audience), and the whys and wherefores of how this came to be and why its totally unacceptable etc etc, and why the "Lighten up its not important!" argument doesn't really hold water . . . . . but it would be far far too long.

So I'll just leave some links here:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MaleGaze

And some stuff about the way computer games like to dress female characters;
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob-p ... d-kill-you

I class Yisha's outfit as a combo of "Sci-fi chick" and "Just in case you forgot"
http://repair-her-armor.tumblr.com/post ... of-mmorpgs

Some cool concept art here, note the lack of T&A on display which detracts exactly nothing.
http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/

The whole thing is silly:
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[Morkonan]

I always find different culture's attitudes towards nudity to be amusing. In France you see topless pictures of girls advertising various products in shop windows and noone cares. I don't know about Germany, but it wouldn't surprise me. On the other hand Americans are very prudish and seem to feel that even the slightest hint of femininity will turn any child into a sex-crazed monster or permanently scar them psychologically. Good job OP, someone needs to think of the children.

You may not like it, but if you're any sort of reasonable person, you'll respect the cultures of other people and their personal desires, as long as they don't seek to impose that culture on others. Yes, if that culture causes harm, then it's time to reevaluate that thought.

But, here, the mod developer is not causing harm to anyone. They are just making a mod to remove what they consider to be possibly offensive material. In fact, it may be that Egosoft should have rethought their presentation of those areas, since their design may restrict the countries where the game could be marketed.

America has nude beaches, parks and other areas, btw, and even has states and cities in which public nudity is allowed. It's the subject and intent of the nudity that's the determining factor as far as personal liberties are concerned. Of course, there's also the fact that people like Miley Cyrus can practically perform a sex act on television and get away with it, all in the name of "Art." Considering the amount of sexually fueled ads and products that the US pumps out, every day, I wouldn't exactly call us "prudes."

[fiksal]

Nope its sexism alright.

Would it be fair if males were sexualized?

[amtct]

Nope its sexism alright.

Would it be fair if males were sexualized?

sure .what can go wrong if you do that in something that is used/played mostly by male players?

[fiksal]

sure .what can go wrong if you do that in something that is used/played mostly by male players?

Honestly...I couldnt care less. Because you know what, shockingly, I dont play games to see big boobs or dicks


That's what porn is for on second monitor

[Bishop149]

Nope its sexism alright.

Would it be fair if males were sexualized?

In the context of a society in which there was no widespread pre-exsiting prejudice against a particular sex then yes, it would at least then be equitable if not exactly admirable.

In the context of current human society however not so much, the only motivation to do that would come from:
- Efforts to appeal to the female / gay market to sell things.
- Effort to exploit men's insecurities in order to sell things to them.
- As a deliberate counter point to the widespread female over sexualisation.

None of which would do much to promote equity except maybe in that of admen making us feel awful about ourselves so we buy their products.
The latter does at least throw sexism into comedic highlight by reversing it. See: http://thehawkeyeinitiative.com/

I don't have anything against hyper-sexualisation per se. If used in moderation it can have its place, like almost any other form of artistic expression. But over use is unhealthy.

The fact is we see it everywhere, because sex sells and the admen have started to realise it sells to women as well, and that men want to be seen as attractive too and can be equally insecure about their appearance. Thus increasingly we are seeing mostly naked men everywhere as well . . .

Poking people insecurities with a sharp stick to sell more underpants is hardly the epitome of ethical behavior is it.

There are also the geeky grumbles hyper-sexulaisation that it would be completely unrealistic unless the character in question happens to be a prostitute, and even they don't dress half as sexulaised as most female computer game characters. But then 100% realism in fiction isn't always desirable.

Its generally the over use and onesidedness of it that's objectionable
Over use because of exposure unrealistic body image AL THE TIME (both sexes)
And onesideness because a) its just not fair and b) it reinforces already widely held ideas about women's place in society.

Edit: I was gonna add this anyway but it partially answers amtct's point too:

What do you suppose the reaction of the gamers would be if Egosoft (for example) decided in the name of equality to add a male character in which the ass was cut out of the clothing and then made sure you had to spend a decent amount of time looking at it. My predictions:

Female players: LOL! Well now you know what it feels like guys. But seriously who dresses like that to fly a spaceship!

Male players: OMFG, this is an outrage. You've violated my rights! I'm not a homo!! Its disgusting I will never buy another one of your games again, I will report you to . . . yaddi yadda.

And yeah, games are marketed mainly to men . . . take a moment to think about why.

[amtct]

sure .what can go wrong if you do that in something that is used/played mostly by male players?

Honestly...I couldnt care less. Because you know what, shockingly, I dont play games to see big boobs or dicks


That's what porn is for on second monitor

you know nothing .Boobies makes the world go round ...or was it latinum

anyway ,in game that looks nothing like boobies ...it looks more like a buttcrack if you ask me

[fiksal]

Nope its sexism alright.

Would it be fair if males were sexualized?

In the context of a society in which there was no widespread pre-exsiting prejudice against a particular sex then yes, it would at least then be equitable if not exactly admirable.

In the context of current human society however not so much, the only motivation to do that would come from:
- Efforts to appeal to the female / gay market to sell things.
- Effort to exploit men's insecurities in order to sell things to them.
- As a deliberate counter point to the widespread female over sexualisation.

So where do we go from there? Make everyone look like a grey alien from a neutral zone?

Or tell people grow up and stop being insecure? Admit that we as society have strip clubs?


To be clear though and to give some perspective, while I have nothing against naked NPCs, I find the so-called "fantasy" female armor quite dumb. But I have nothing against body fitting outfits on Solid Snake or female villians

[Incubi]

Boobie thread without the pictures. Boo!

[fiksal]

you know nothing .Boobies makes the world go round ...

damn, and I've been concentrating on all the wrong things like education, career and drinking.

[amtct]

damn, and I've been concentrating on all the wrong things like education, career and drinking.

not my fault you dont know the important things in life.