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kurush · Post by **kurush** » Sat, 9. Jun 12, 08:24

Wow! You even added training to the marine repair script. I was thinking to do it but couldn't find time. Totally awesome, downloading to replace my homebrew version

Do you provide links to your scripts in this thread? I almost missed it.

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Sat, 9. Jun 12, 08:44

kurush wrote:Wow! You even added training to the marine repair script.

Yep. Currently, the training only happens during repairs... I figured that the marines deserved some credit for their hard work!

I have been thinking about adding more general training, so that your on-board marines will always receive a certain amount of training. That way, you would not have to choose between training your marines and putting them to work at repairing and protecting your ships. What do you think?

Do you provide links to your scripts in this thread? I almost missed it.

The links are maintained in the first post, just like any other script thread. I also add a link to my update announcements. Probably.

Suggestions welcome (including changes in organizing the thread).

kurush · Post by **kurush** » Sat, 9. Jun 12, 08:49

DrBullwinkle wrote: I have been thinking about adding more general training, so that your on-board marines will always receive a certain amount of training.

Not sure if training without actually doing something would be realistic. I actually thought of adding a cost of keeping marines on retainer. After all, you as an employer should be responsible for their utilization

Let me try it, but from the description it looks perfect.

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Sat, 9. Jun 12, 09:04

kurush wrote: from the description it looks perfect.

Excellent!

kurush wrote: I actually thought of adding a cost of keeping marines on retainer.

Marines are already the most expensive and rare of player resources. If you use your marines, then some are going to die. That, in turn, means that you must always have some marines in training. It seems to me that the costs of maintaining an effective marine force are already very high. Maybe "extremely high".

However, one thing that I wondered about for a very long time was feeding marines. The manual clearly states that you have to feed them. Before I read the forum, I could not figure out why training took so long... I was afraid that I was not feeding them enough MRE's and C-Rations.

Aegyen · Post by **Aegyen** » Sat, 9. Jun 12, 13:52

kurush wrote:Not sure if training without actually doing something would be realistic. I actually thought of adding a cost of keeping marines on retainer. After all, you as an employer should be responsible for their utilization Let me try it, but from the description it looks perfect.

I use almost all of Lucike's scripts, and parts of the Personnel Transport and the Pilot Union scripts cover exactly that. If you transfer all your marines into the lounge, and then reassign them back to the marine section, they all end up on the payroll.

And Doc...

about feeding your marines. But it does make sense, doesn't it?

By the way, ASD is becoming a part of my personal collection, I prefer that way of finding ships. I was about half asleep while all that was happening, and had to LoL at myself, it was such a 'eureka' moment.

StarCrack · Post by **StarCrack** » Sun, 10. Jun 12, 01:03

just installed (Free Jump for AI's: v1.4.03 Bullwinkle 2012-05-21)
and am getting spammed with messages about a buster that cant jump because i don't have the Creds, I don't own a buster....

uninstall and it stops the spam but then nothing auto jumps

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Sun, 10. Jun 12, 01:37

StarCrack wrote:am getting spammed with messages about a buster that cant jump because i don't have the Creds, I don't own a buster....

Wow, that is almost alarming. Thanks for the report, Starcrack.

EDIT: While double-checking the v1.4.03 that you tested, I see that it is missing a file. So that means that 30 people downloaded it over the past couple of weeks, and you are the first to report something wrong!

+1 to Starcrack for the report.

-1 to the rest of you for not telling me that the version has problems!

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Sun, 10. Jun 12, 02:00

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Free Jump for AI's
Free Jump for AI's (Less Cheatery Edition) BETA
Free Jump for AI's v1.4.04 (Always Free Jump Edition)
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About the BETA Version 1.4.10 (Less Cheatery Edition):

For some players, Free Jump for AI's was too much of a good thing. So version 1.4.10 tones it down a notch. Most AI jumps will be vanilla jumps, unless one of your ships has been targeted by an enemy, or has run low on jump fuel*. Then the ship will get a Free Jump (which improves its safety).

This is actually the originally intended behavior. I will keep version 1.4.04 available in case you want to have the economy-boosting side effects of always free-jumping.

*BETA Known/Suspected Bug: Version 1.4.10 can sometimes fail to free jump when low on energy cells. In that case, the ship should follow vanilla behavior.

Optional Uninstallers:

These optional uninstallers allow you to remove the "for AI's" part of "Free Jump for AI's". The result should be vanilla jumping for your AI's (but the hotkey and menu choice will remain in case you want to Free Jump yourself).

You do not need these files (unless you want to uninstall Free Jump for AI's).

Uninstall Free Jump for AI's (for AP 2.0)
Uninstall Free Jump for AI's (for TC 3.2)

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Aegyen · Post by **Aegyen** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 00:58

Abandoned Ship Detector:

May as well finalize this one, it does exactly what the tin says. It's going on my backup system, I'll never be without this one..

Free Jump:

Captured my first couple of freighters today, so it won't be long before I'll be dealing with this one regularly again. With the way this universe is, the AI's will be using it a lot. Let you know if my game blows up.

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 01:09

Aegyen wrote:Abandoned Ship Detector: [snip]... I'll never be without this one.

Nice! Thanks, for the report, Aegyen! I have to say that I like it, too... it adds a little bit of extra fun to finding abandoned ships.

Free Jump:Let you know if my game blows up.

Yes, Free Jump for AI's is the one that I need the most test information about. There are so many different ways and reasons for ships to jump. It is hard to watch all of them, and I never know when I have missed one until I get a report.

Out of 30+ downloaders, I have received only one report, and that was so dramatically bad that it was alarming. However, after further examination, I don't see how it could happen. That doesn't mean that Free Jump cannot have a major bug -- it only means that I have not yet seen one myself.

So, yes, I will appreciate reports on Free Jump for AI's... from anyone who uses it. Good or bad (or just your opinion about how you would like to see it work in the future)... I want to know how it is working for you.

StarCrack · Post by **StarCrack** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 10:23

thanks doc that fixed the buster and messeges

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 14:21

StarCrack wrote:thanks doc that fixed the buster and messeges

Awesome. I was hoping to hear that report, StarCrack!

Vayde · Post by **Vayde** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 14:56

Hi Dr B.

I think this statement needs changing "Marines can gain small amount of training with each repair. Cost is similar to vanilla training" either that or the training code for marines needs looking at

Example: I buy 1 Argon marine cost 42k, skills are :-

F - 0
E - 6
M - 0
H - 0

He repairs a bog standard Nova from 71% hull to full in about 30 mins. His skills are then:

F - 79
E - 22
M - 34
H - 22

I believe if he repaired a big or huge ship he would be 5 in all skills after just 2-3 hours. This might be the desired performance for the script I don't know but it feels just a bit to easy for me.

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 15:11

Vayde wrote:He repairs a bog standard Nova from 71% hull to full in about 30 mins. His skills are then: [snip]

Yes, that is too fast (especially for fight training) and no, that is not intended.

Also, he should receive the same amount of training in each category. I don't know why he would receive more fight training. Are you certain it was the same marine? If so, then that is a separate issue.

Regarding training time, I did not test the case where there was only a single marine doing the repairs. Normally, training is divided among the squad. So, if you had a squad of 20 marines doing the repairs, then each marine would receive 1/20 (or 5%) of the training on any given cycle. With only one marine, he receives ALL of the training.

I will have to re-work the training calculation in a future version.

In the meantime, you have discovered an exploit. Use it or not; at your own discretion.

And thank you for the report!

Vayde · Post by **Vayde** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 15:17

I'll not be using it as an exploit, if you remember I was suggesting making it harder for the marines to repair ships not easier

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 15:20

Vayde wrote:I was suggesting making it harder for the marines to repair ships not easier

So you did.

Are you certain it was the same marine in your test? The different skill levels are a mystery, although I have not yet tested your use case myself.

EDIT: The default "Percent chance of training" is 10%. It is set in id="302" in the t file. You could reduce that number to a lower percentage.

Vayde · Post by **Vayde** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 15:29

My marine was already 3 stars in fighting which is why I bought him, sorry for that DR B. I'll retest with some new marines and give more info.

kurush · Post by **kurush** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 16:34

DrBullwinkle wrote: Yes, that is too fast (especially for fight training) and no, that is not intended.

If your intent was that marines get fight training as well while repairing stuff, is there any chance you can make fighting training optional via the T file while leaving other skills active? I prefer to cap something for this

DrBullwinkle · Post by **DrBullwinkle** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 16:42

kurush wrote:If your intent was that marines get fight training as well while repairing stuff, is there any chance you can make fighting training optional via the T file while leaving other skills active? I prefer to cap something for this

Of course. It will be in the next version!

I do not expect that your marines will get all that much training from doing repairs anyway. But, yes, I agree that fight training should be optional.

I, too, think that boarding is the best part of this game. It is the most fun single feature of any space sim that I have ever played.

Aegyen · Post by **Aegyen** » Mon, 11. Jun 12, 16:48

I have sent so many marines to their deaths...

It can definitely be one of the most challenging parts of the game too, depending on how you have it modded. I especially like that my ships can be boarded as well..

+1 again, for taking the 'fight' training part, out of that script, I prefer they earn that by living or dying while capturing.

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