Terran Expansion!!!!!! YAAAAAAY

[Pares]

How are the Argon traitors? It wasn't exactly the fault of the Argons that they got cut off from Terra wayyyyy back.
Terrans are also super xenophobic and refused their genetic relatives to really reconnect to them...Meanwhile Terra was a threat to EVERYONE else since not only do they hate everything not earth...they were also super overpowered compared to the others.
Naturally everyone would try an arms race to catch up to someone who is a constant threat to you.

From my point of view the Argon are evil! They stole from the Terrans and experimented with Xenons and used them to attack Earth. They will get what they deserve. They destroyed the Earth Torus. Argon Prime is due for a proper orbital bombardment

[Sturmer]

From my point of view the Argon are evil! They stole from the Terrans and experimented with Xenons and used them to attack Earth. They will get what they deserve. They destroyed the Earth Torus. Argon Prime is due for a proper orbital bombardment

Terrans were clearly megalomanic if you played the campaign, plus they spied on Argon and did sabotage. I'm pretty sure they played church-organs in some dinky rooms in catacombs in their spare time and had long speeches to captured heroes!

[Rei Ayanami]

So, what do y'all think? Will the Terran's still be at war with the rest of the races? -25 starting reputation. Give them a bunch of sectors and just a few access points to the rest of the galaxy? Terran Conflict 2.0?

Well, lets think about it :
1) After their first Terraformer war left Earth without a working jumpgate and out of fear that the Terraformers/Xenon might ever return, Terrans developed overpowered technology and the Torus to protect Earth
2) Terrans destroyed anything that comes near Earth without authorization. Shoot first, ask questions later. As long as Earth is save, everything was ok.
3) Out of fear that Terrans were vastly superior in firepower and technology, Argons used Terraformer/Xenon technology to launch attacks with billions of TF-ships against Terran territories.
4) Terrans, with their worst nightmare (a return of the Terraformers) coming true, suffered severe losses and even their Torus got blown up (with billions of people inside it), yet they still managed to fight them all off

So yes, considering that Argons blew up their main defense of Earth, killed billions (perhaps trillions, if we consider all Terran colonies) of people AND made the Terraformers come back, i'm pretty sure the Terrans are quite angry against the Argons, and probably much more paranoid against any non-Terrans than ever before.

[mbaox]

Sure, they could have evolved in highly flammable non-electricity conducting liquids like liquid methane/ethane oceans, but then Kindom End would not look like a regular Earth analog planet, but more like Titan with extremely low temperatures... and I think this would make it even more difficult for them to develop any kind of advanced technology, not to mention space travel. And they also don't look like they evolved in such extreme environments, they look like regular fish.

At least, if it is methane/ethane, they would have problem for fuel… But now, why methane/ethane and not liquid CO2? My point is just here to mention that we are in a fictional universe. This universe try to be coherent with our universe but can take some liberty (Argon-Terran war, Xenon, paranide, etc). In this universe they could add an chemical element, let it call it the X-elements, which make some non conductive water lighter than normal water.

Boron, them-self do not look like regular fish. At least. I never meet a Boron going swimming in Ocean. However, I am agree that the name of their ship and sometime their morphology can remind a regular fish. So assuming that they are regular ship as you suggest, it mean that they should be able to make space travel millions years before human or that some one have moved them. If it is the case, why not assuming either that they have enough time to develop or that they were teached non gravitational water removing Higg's boson (whenever it is possible)? It could also be a special an equipements piece on ship which reduce the mass of water.

So the problem of water masse and space travel might be solve by some fictional trick. The question of water/aerial environment is another issue but it can also be solved (space suit, semi aquatique, etc) and this is up to the game designer.

[NightmareNight91]

Darn, was hoping for boron, the universe needs more variety, not another argon faction. Oh well, hopefully DLC 3 will be boron...

You got it all mixed up. The Argon are the traitorous faction of the Terrans, not the other way around.

I know but terrans will feel way to "samey" to argon for my taste, while boron would be a fresh face so to speak.

[Thurak]

Why flood Boron ships or stations....why not put Boron into suits they could give them mechanical legs to walk around like any other race.

certainly an option as well.

Yes in lore Boron ships were filled with water but they could change this by simply letting Boron and Argon work together to develop suits that allows Boron to drain their ships and stations and interact with other races easier.

It makes not much sense if a Boron pilot on his/her own ship is stuck in a suit forever. But essentially all that may be needed at least for 1 pilot ships is a flooding and drain animation of some kind, and then just treat the 1st person vies as it is now. Fixed position, normal controls etc. I imagine something like this:

1. Pilot in suit or whatever returns to ship.

2. An elevator option say something like "undock and flood ship" which does exactly this. Only selectable, if your whole crew is also Boron.

3. you as Boron without a suit get put into pilot position.

4. If you "stand up" you can move around as normal (new movement animations, I know, but nothing else in the cockpit has to change at all), your Boron relief pilot takes the helm as normal.

5. On landing the doors only open as elevator option when the player chooses "suit up and leave". Of course some magically fast water drain has to happen before that. Unrealistic fast so players don't hate it.

On multicrew ships the Borons may be forced into suits, but I still would like at least a new elevator option to "visit tank" or something where I can get to a Boron tank like in the research lab. Just one room on all ships, just so it's there.



Sorry, this is my very last Boron comment in this Terran thread. What I need from Terrans is just one thing: A worthy Springblossom successor. For everything else there is artistic freedom, but I really wish for a good new corvette.

[grapedog]

Still waiting on my Buster....

Also, the Boron had some of my favorite music. If I can listen to boron music while hearing a female computerized voice say teladianium repeatedly, while flying in my buster... i'll be a happy man.

[Matthew94]

Accelerators are already a thing in X4 vanilla. Look, for example, in Hewa's Twin, Silent Witness, or Heart of Acrimony.

The Terran accelerators have a different and quite unique aesthetic. That's what I meant.

I've said it before but I wonder if the sectors will just be the sol system like in X3.
Considering we have travel drives and jump drives are gone, navigation won't be an issue like it was in TC.
The main issue would be that it could allow the Earth sector to be conquered, which would be strange but cool.

Pretty sure the X4 accelerator design is supposed to be the same as the X3:TC accelerator design, just made for the new engine/graphics/etc. They certainly have the same design aesthetics.

After looking back, I think you're right.
For some reason I keep imagining the Terran architecture to be white when in fact it's grey steel like everything else.
I think it was the bright sector lighting combined with the Earth Torus. (pretty sure it was white).

[Shehriazad]

How are the Argon traitors? It wasn't exactly the fault of the Argons that they got cut off from Terra wayyyyy back.
Terrans are also super xenophobic and refused their genetic relatives to really reconnect to them...Meanwhile Terra was a threat to EVERYONE else since not only do they hate everything not earth...they were also super overpowered compared to the others.
Naturally everyone would try an arms race to catch up to someone who is a constant threat to you.

From my point of view the Argon are evil! They stole from the Terrans and experimented with Xenons and used them to attack Earth. They will get what they deserve. They destroyed the Earth Torus. Argon Prime is due for a proper orbital bombardment

And why DID they experiment with Xenon tech? Because Terrans wanted to be the single strongest faction with the ability to wipe everyone else out whenever they feel like it. They were offered spots in the Alliance of Planets and/or Place in the Argon government. They right out refused, pretty much pissing on EVERY other races' shoes.

Terrans also tell everyone "No, you cannot build this and that because its dangerous" while basically being the superpower of the universe....acting like a space police, causing a cold war with those combined actions.

Argons simply wanted to stand a chance against the Terrans in case things go south. If the Terrans hadnt been such dicks to their GENETIC bretheren and just helped them out a bit to show em how/why/what or at least not pissed in everyones' face first...nothing of this would've happened.

Let's not forget that the Terrans were pretty aggressively "reclaiming" each and every "lost" old sector.

[Alm888]

I wonder how different the terran models will be from the argon models...

Very.

If we get to see the original earth Terrans then we will get very unique designs once again.

Or they could be just Argon but with white-with-blue-strips palette instead of green one.

You got it all mixed up. The Argon are the traitorous faction of the Terrans, not the other way around.

How are the Argon traitors? It wasn't exactly the fault of the Argons that they got cut off from Terra wayyyyy back.
Terrans are also super xenophobic and refused their genetic relatives to really reconnect to them...Meanwhile Terra was a threat to EVERYONE else since not only do they hate everything not earth...they were also super overpowered compared to the others.
Naturally everyone would try an arms race to catch up to someone who is a constant threat to you.

But it was Argon who blew up Torus, right? Also, it was Argon who initiated the second Xenon invasion (Beryll Astrotek, thanks "X: Rebirth"), right?
And being overpowered is no excuse for being invaded. If anything, Argon deserved the wrath.
I can't wait to wipe out Argon from existence!

So, what do y'all think? Will the Terran's still be at war with the rest of the races? -25 starting reputation. Give them a bunch of sectors and just a few access points to the rest of the galaxy? Terran Conflict 2.0?

Well, most probably, with the exception for Teladi, who can always strike a deal to make profitsss (just as with SCA in vanilla).

And why DID they experiment with Xenon tech? Because Terrans wanted to be the single strongest faction with the ability to wipe everyone else out whenever they feel like it.
If I build a nuclear warhead in my garden with the option of killing you just whenever and you having no way to fight back unless you try to use my own tech to advance yourself to that level as well? (Welcome to the cold war btw)

So, according to you, if one nation is stronger then everyone else, then everyone else is given a free pass to unleash Anthrax, biological (viral) weaponry, dirty nuclear bombs or other such a "weapon" with the potential of backfiring and wiping out humanity of nearly 100%?
Sorry, but Argon have clearly crossed the line. And with your views you would probably considered as "Known AGI Sympathiser", if not worse.

[grapedog]

I can't wait to wipe out Argon from existence!

terrorist sympathizer...

[Shehriazad]

But it was Argon who blew up Torus, right? Also, it was Argon who initiated the second Xenon invasion (Beryll Astrotek, thanks "X: Rebirth"), right?
And being overpowered is no excuse for being invaded. If anything, Argon deserved the wrath.
I can't wait to wipe out Argon from existence!

Eeeeh...it was essentially ONE person blowing up the Torus (Saya) because she knew a war was coming...and with the Torus still intact the war would have been so one-sided that Terrans would've killed everyone. So it's not a surprise this happened.

I do not like the Argons...but Terrans caused all of this themselves.

They piss on everyone by refusing to be properly allied to any of them....and then actively SPY on the Argon while saying "Don't build AGI; or else"...plus their aggressive "retaking" of old sectors.

Translate this to ANY nation on our planet.

Nation has giant shield that makes it so nobody can attack them. They also have the strongest nukes on the planet. They aggressively take back land they claim "it was ours to begin with", tell everyone "If you build nukes like us, we will wreck your shit" and then send spies into their ranks.

So uh....yeah.

Argons are massive idiots...but Terrans are just massive dicks

[Slashman]

Argons are massive idiots...but Terrans are just massive dicks

I like Terrans just for their ships alone so I'm willing to live with a little dickishness!

[Alm888]

terrorist sympathizer...

No, just a member of pest control team.
Rabid dogs and foxes must be shot, after all, before they spread the decease further, as sad as it is.

Eeeeh...it was essentially ONE person blowing up the Torus (Saya) because she knew a war was coming...and with the Torus still intact the war would have been so one-sided that Terrans would've killed everyone. So it's not a surprise this happened.

And Saya's family name was "Beryll Astrotek", right? And she also single-handedly unleashed Xenon, right?

Besides, AFAIK, the Torus Æternal was a defence platform, not a "death star"! Could it move? Could it fly to Argon Prime to "kill everyone"? I doubt so! In other words, this was a pure terrorism act, and a foolish one at that!

They piss on everyone by refusing to be properly allied to any of them....and then actively SPY on the Argon while saying "Don't build AGI; or else"...plus their aggressive "retaking" of old sectors.

Translate this to ANY nation on our planet.

Hate to disappoint you, but every nation spies on every nation right now, be it political or plain old industrial espionage. And we have procedures to counter spies: catching and banishing them from the country. And no, there are no "initiating war using universally banned weaponry" measures in case of spy threat.

Nation has giant shield that makes it so nobody can attack them. They also have the strongest nukes on the planet. They aggressively take back land they claim "it was ours to begin with", tell everyone "If you build nukes like us, we will wreck your shit" and then send spies into their ranks.So uh....yeah.

Which is true! And that's Argon's problems for being so weak despite owning multiple systems, not Terrans'.

That being said, I think by the time DLC2 hiths the market there already will be a working diplomacy system for any Argon-lover to broker a peace and save Argon from extinction.

[grapedog]

terrorist sympathizer...

No, just a member of pest control team.
Rabid dogs and foxes must be shot, after all, before they spread the decease further, as sad as it is.

..."but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."

[Matthew94]

Sorry, but Argon have clearly crossed the line. And with your views you would probably considered as "Known AGI Sympathiser", if not worse.

Yeah, I never saw much nuance in the Terran War plot.
The Terrans were 100% in the right to want to ban AGI considering the original Xenon threat hadn't been eliminated.

[Nort The Fragrent]

No Matter !

Terran,

Boron,

There will be more ships and sectors.

As for the perceived restriction regarding the Boron!

Just consider James Bond for a moment! He can pop a small gadget into his mouth and swim off like a fish!

And then there is Jaja Binks in Star Wars, walking around, Swimming down to their Fishy retreat. Wondering around down in their Water evolved separation environments.

And just to clarify !

X4 is a futuristic game, with advanced races who are clever enough to sort out any restrictions they may have had Millions of years earlier ! So there is absolutely no reason to not re introduce the Boron.

Enough said,

Make it happen.

[Pares]

I can't wait to wipe out Argon from existence!

terrorist sympathizer...

Oh the irony... Wasn't it the Argon who cooperated with pirates and terrorists to unleash the Xenon on Earth?

[mr.WHO]

I think people forget something - and I'm saying it as clear Terran fanatic.

During X3:AP plot there was two outcomes of war with Terrans:
- bring war to peace agreement
- continue war

I think Egosoft stated and X-Rebirth confirmed it that war with Terrans concluded with peace agrement shortly before gate shutdown.
The people in X-Rebirth area were unsure how war ended probably because they were cut out as one of the first, but even then, many Terrans stuck in Omicron Lyrae joined Argons in X-Rebirth.
Given the X4 description of Heretic Ends most of Terran forces managed to safely evacuate to Sol before total gate shutdown.

I assume that X4 Terrans would not be at open war with Argons, but I'm damn sure they would be at VERY ANGRY cold war state (like in the darkest days of USA-USSR cold war).
I would not be suprised if Terrans would do everything they could to boost HOP and Split to indirectly maximize dammage to Argons.

Especially that via Heretics End they could easily establish relations with ZYA via battleship diplomacy:
ZYA envoy: Hi, this is my Raptor!
TER envoy in Valhalla: How cute. Oh BTW, you wanna have more of these juicy Argon slaves?

[Général Grievous]

I wonder if terrans will reconnect their network to Heretic's end, like in X3. After all, this sector is probably here for a reason...
If this is true, I will make my way from Silent Witness to Heretic's end, even if there is sectors owned by the Argon Federation between me and terrans.