Trump

[Incubi]

No one is worried that Trump will be president, it is a subtle "what if" that causes a little uneasiness. There is this illusion that since he is the best the gop is offering that he can compete in the final election. but it does not work he is only popular in a loud section of the right. He will loose by a landslide.

While all of this is just my opinion, it is not an opinion that I discovered on a piece of toilet paper. You'll see.


ps. I honestly think this is just a publicity stunt for Trump and he has no intentions of wining. His campaign is clever. Get the people riled, appeal to the angry right, sabotage your chances to actually win, reap in the rewards of your rise in popularity. Trump wins even when he looses.

[Morkonan]

Some where so "hot?" How do you know that?

Was in the news not long ago.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hil ... ig-n499886

Again, not making excuses for her, but she's not the only government official that has had issues like this. Though, I agree, wiping her official records was wrong.

...Trump could easily use his cabinet appointments to put someone at the head of the department of justice willing to make it happen. All it takes is for those in power to stop shielding the clintons. She has provided the rest.

So, you'd be in favor of a serious breach of law to pursue a vendetta against Hillary in order to put her in a federal prison? Something that no current legal hypothesis could produce even if she were somehow found liable for improper conduct regarding her private email server?

If that's what it takes for the GOP to lose its current form, then it's the perfect reason to vote for Trump then. I want the current GOP burnt to ash because that's about the only way it can re-emerge without all the toxic baggage it has associated itself with in the past few years.

It wouldn't require Trump getting elected. The Republican party is undergoing this internal war right now. It will culminate with the results of the Republican Convention - It's going to be a bloodbath.

The Republican party went off the rails several elections ago... I'm a fiscal conservative, more in tune with the Republican party of several years ago. But, these days, I'm embarrassed by what they have become.

I'd be fine if they collapsed, altogether, and re-emerged as two or more separate parties. I can see that happening in response to Trump, no matter how he ultimately ends up.

[Mightysword]

Again, not making excuses for her, but she's not the only government official that has had issues like this. Though, I agree, wiping her official records was wrong.

So, you'd be in favor of a serious breach of law to pursue a vendetta against Hillary in order to put her in a federal prison? Something that no current legal hypothesis could produce even if she were somehow found liable for improper conduct regarding her private email server?

Well, when you put these 2 statements together we have a much more fundamental problem: politicians are truly above the law. If an average joe mishandle or leak top secret documents, how fast do you think they'll face prosecution and found guilty? I agree that no barring something much more serious, nothing will happens to Hilary. The saber rattling right now are just election year meaneuver, if you really beleive she'll be indicted than you will only find disappointment.

But make no mistake, the reason it doesn't happens is not because she didn't break any law worth prosecuting, it is because it's unwritten rule that Politician like her has immunity to this kind of stuff. Comparing to what Petreus did, in which he "willfully" leak classified document for no reason other than personal desire is much more serious (at least Clinton can argue her case is only a breach of protocol with no personal skate). And he walked away with nothing more than a slap on the writ, so will Clinton. If you want to talk about rule, it's the fact that Politicians can and usually walk away from these kind of things IS the breach of rule itself.

I'd be fine if they collapsed, altogether, and re-emerged as two or more separate parties. I can see that happening in response to Trump, no matter how he ultimately ends up.

That's why, on the positive side I consider this election is a Win-Win situation for me. If Trump wins, he will be the catalyst that force the media to change, we'll be seeing the one candidate that got shitted on by every media outlet sitting in the White House. The best thing about Trump ATM for me is that, whether the electorates made the right choice or the wrong choice, the more important thing is it seems they are still capable of making a choice independent of media influence (which tbh, I thought wasn't possible before).


If Trump end up the nominee and loose, than he will be the catalyst for the GOP to implode, which can only be a good thing (because for me it really can't get any worse).

[Morkonan]

.... If you want to talk about rule, it's the fact that Politicians can and usually walk away from these kind of things IS the breach of rule itself.

The thing is, "breaking" the system, in order to "fix" it, is... a bad practice. No good would come out of, for instance, someone going on a vendetta to engage in conspiracy-shenanigans in order to put a politician in prison "for vengence's sake."

What we need is a system that, very normally, would seek to punish and censure politicians that break the public trust or engage in illegal activity or fail to follow political protocol and federal regulations.

That sort of system will not be born from engaging in further shenanigans, in my opinion.

That's why, on the positive side I consider this election is a Win-Win situation for me. If Trump wins, he will be the catalyst that force the media to change, we'll be seeing the one candidate that got shitted on by every media outlet sitting in the White House. The best thing about Trump ATM for me is that, whether the electorates made the right choice or the wrong choice, the more important thing is it seems they are still capable of making a choice independent of media influence (which tbh, I thought wasn't possible before).

I disagree with the "media" side of your comments.

The media has been covering Trump almost non-stop since he announced his bid and there was no truly viable candidate visible with as much raw energy as Trump.

The media loves Trump. They love him oh-so-very much.

I did a personal study... I don't watch television that much, so it's not scientific, but I got sick of tuning in a news channel and seeing nothing but coverage of Trump. It turned out that I could not tune to CNN, during the infrequent times I would watch television, and not see or hear a mention of Trump for a space longer than 45 seconds during the newscast. This was independent of whatever sort of news show was on during the day. (I do not watch news "opinion" programs that come on generally after 6pm, because they're mostly full of crap...)

I don't watch Fox news, any more, on general principle - They are far too politically motivated for my tastes and don't even try to hide the fact they want to be a Kingmaker or political policy-setter. I also wouldn't watch MSNBC because... MSNBC. So, I just focused my attention on CNN for the purposes of discovering how long it would take them to mention or cover Trump during any particular moment I tuned to their channel.

In short - The media loves Trump. It proves the old adage that "Any news coverage is good news coverage" for any celebrity or politician. Trump has never had to worry one little bit about news coverage and has not had to go to media outlets to beg to be interviewed or for them to run one article on anything he's saying in his campaign - They've given him all of that for free... because the public likes to watch disasters unfold on television and in the media.

[Rnett]

But make no mistake, the reason it doesn't happens is not because she didn't break any law worth prosecuting, it is because it's unwritten rule that Politician like her has immunity to this kind of stuff. Comparing to what Petreus did, in which he "willfully" leak classified document for no reason other than personal desire is much more serious (at least Clinton can argue her case is only a breach of protocol with no personal skate). And he walked away with nothing more than a slap on the writ, so will Clinton. If you want to talk about rule, it's the fact that Politicians can and usually walk away from these kind of things IS the breach of rule itself.

It's more than a breach in protocol. They're looking at actual intent in setting up a personal server at home and then the intent of trying to cover up the fact after they were caught. I dont think the FBI would waste it's time for over a year to give her a slap on the wrist.

[clakclak]

The one thing that confuses me the most about Donald Trump is that he can get away with insulting his own voters.

I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters, it is like incredible.

Maybe I am the only one, but for me what it sound like is: "The people who vote for me really don't care about what I do, only about I say I am gonna do."

If I would be a Trump voter I would be furious that he assumes that I would value loyalty to him higher than justice or, an even worse insult, that he assumes I follow him so blindly that he becomes the embodiment of justice seemingly making it impossiable for him to do anything to enrage me, because to me everything he does is the right thing. He just straight away claims that people who vote for don't have a mind of their own.

[Mightysword]

That sort of system will not be born from engaging in further shenanigans, in my opinion.

I'm not suggesting breaking any rules. Like I said, I believe the rules are already there, they just have to be enforced. Consistently I might add.

The media loves Trump. They love him oh-so-very much.

Can we please drop the obvious, especially when it makes one sound really complacent? I think everyone realize that all media outlet loves money and rating, but I also insist that people realize at the same time all media outlet have an agenda to push through (you said it yourself, just think about the reason why you stop watching FOXNEWS). For years they have stopped working as a platform to keep the public informed, but a platform for a group of ideologist to manipulate public opinion.

It's not so much that the Media playing Trump that's also Trump playing the media. (Like I said no matter well or badly I think about Trump, I definitely think he's smart). Yes, the media certainly treated him as a cash cow, but that will only be case when he remains just that, a cash cow. But they're realizing this cash cow is threatening their own agenda. It's like a king keeping a fool as a source of distraction and entertainment, until the fool gain more influential and stop doing what the king wants.


I don't stop watching new media outlet because I disagree with them, I have been following them faithfully, if not to keep myself informed it is to keep me up to date with their bag of trick. Right now, you see the left and right are trying to blame each others for Trumpism, but the fact are they're both guilty. If the right is guilty for provide a fertile ground for someone like Trump to emerge, then the left is guilty of pushing people far enough that they agree with him. That's why he's a threat to both, if things go Trump way, I believe he has a good chance of smashing up the agenda and narrative that both the far right and far left have been trying to build in the last decade.

[Falcrack]

Lifelong Utah republican here, about to switch to democrat because of the insanity that is Trump. If he is the nominee, I have no desire to be associated with such a party. This is out of no love for democrats in general or their policies, but the republican party is proving itself so utterly unfit to lead that they deserve to be destroyed in their current form so maybe, just maybe, they will learn to not be the party of stupid.

[Grim Lock]

Would be funny if the country that many consider to be the biggest bully in the world gets the biggest bully they can muster as a president.

I haven't a clue what actually will happen with cotton-candy head for prez but im pretty sure many europeans will sigh in disbelief. W. Bush made us mock america more than we ever did, during the obama administration this mostly stopped. But Trump well, hes just comedy gold.

[clakclak]

Would be funny if the country that many consider to be the biggest bully in the world gets the biggest bully they can muster as a president.

[...]

You got it all wrong! The USA are the one beeing bullied. They are basically like a weak school boy who is constantly down on it's knees begging for forgiveness. Or at least that is what certain people feel like.

[Incubi]

I am hoping that Trump gets in legal trouble for inciting violence.
http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/1000000 ... lence.html

I also hate how media Trump coverage seems to be reinforcing anti-American sentiments. Our stereotype is no more or less deserved than any countries. At least the world will see that we did not elect this one.

[brucewarren]

He's probably stupid enough to think it's protected by the First Amendment.

[felter]

He talks the talk, but he don't walk the walk. That one where the protester nearly got onto the stage, he crapped his pants, while he spends all of his time acting the hard man.

[X2-Illuminatus]

I also hate how media Trump coverage seems to be reinforcing anti-American sentiments. Our stereotype is no more or less deserved than any countries.

I can assure you: what's happening in the USA right now is confirming a lot of stereotypes about Americans. Really, the show the USA provides to the world during the presidential primaries and presidential elections might not make a lot of sense to people outside the USA, but is extremely entertaining.

[mrbadger]

I also hate how media Trump coverage seems to be reinforcing anti-American sentiments. Our stereotype is no more or less deserved than any countries.

For me the moment was when you had supposedly intelligent Americans up in arms defending their right to get screwed over health care by corporations, and repeating the corporate line of 'free health care equals communism', and the NHS has 'death panels', while ignoring the fact that their health corporations definately do, and ignoring the fact that the NHS don't.

And those self same people will complain about powerful corporations controlling everything. That sort of cognative dissonence makes americsns look stupid. Sorry but it does.

This election re-inforces that opinion in a lot of peoples eyes. I know some americans personally, most are quite intelligent well informed people, but one of them spouted yet again the 'free health care is communism' line.
As a person who is only alive and back at work due to this 'communism' I did rather round on him a bit.....

My sister worked for a time in a job where she (with zero medical training), was going through health insurance claimants medications and swapped them for cheaper ones or simply removed them.

This was massivelly unethical, and you can bet I told her.

If you (I assume you are american) want your nation to be perceived as nice, you as a nation *really* need to stop doing stuff like that.

And get shot of Trump too.

the UK isn't perfect, this disabled care thing reveals that nicely, but frankly we are still better off than you

[theeclownbroze]

I'd rather vote for a self funded capitalist, than a paid by the establishment candidate. At least we only have to worry about the self funded capitalists own agenda, not the establishments agenda.

Probably explains why the media is hating trump so hard haha

[fiksal]

I'd rather vote for a self funded capitalist, than a paid by the establishment candidate

Yeah, me too, that's why I am supporting Sanders.

Probably explains why the media is hating trump so hard haha

Dont know what you are talking about, media loves Trump. He's an entertaining pumpkin.

[notaterran]

I wish I could make our European friends less anxious about Donald Trump. Think of Trump as our version of Silvio Berlusconi and you'll feel more relaxed about the whole thing (even after winning three elections Italy did not implode, Bunga Bunga parties and other scandals aside). He (Trump) is not the next Hitler, he's not ideologically driven and his nationalism is probably paper-thin. There is a copious -sorry- "yuuuge" amount of evidence that suggests that he loves money more than anything else. As it's been explained earlier in this thread, he's winning because the other candidates are splitting the anti-Trump vote. And Trump Republicans are not exactly representative of the people who will vote in the general. Can you imagine Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage or Marine Le Pen winning a national election? Exactly.

[Olterin]

[...]Can you imagine Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage or Marine Le Pen winning a national election? Exactly.

... That's the thing, I kinda can. Not right now, not yet, but it seems the way things are headed it's no longer entirely unthinkable (and has to be taken seriously). But I'm not the most optimistic kind of person when it comes to politics, so take that with a pinch of salt

[Jerald]

Bottom line, if Trump winds the Republican nomination, which I doubt! But if he does! It's a Wrap, Game over!! We will have another Democrat in office.

Why? Because Trump will never win the general election, period.

Right now, he's appealing to a pocket of folks, who are tired of the Government, and will listen to anybody, who will tell them what they want to hear. Isn't that a mark of a great Deal maker? Mmmm??

But that pocket doesn't speak for the whole, and the Republicans know it.

That's why they are nervous, and don't want him to win. They are in a trick box, right now, because he's winning, and the front runner in the Republican Primaries.

I personally, don't have a problem with President Obama. Democrats make great domestic presidents when the country is in a crisis of some kind. But they have been historically weak on the international front.

When our country is in a financial crisis, I'll take a democrat anytime, if all hell breaks lose on the international front, I want a Republican.

But electing a President with both attributes, that my friend, is extremely rare.

Look at U.S. politics, we're always, flip flopping back and forth.

When the country goes to hell, and it's on the Republican's watch, people get ticked off, and want a Democrat President. When that President is constantly focusing on domestic issues, and weak on the international front, the people get ticked off, and want a Republican President.

That's why you have grid lock between the President and Congress, The President is Democrat, and most of Congress, is Republican. Both sides feel, their way is right, and they think they speak for me and millions of other Americans, and they don't.

So, you have two ideologies clashing, and there's no work getting done in Washington, and people are mad and frustrated.

My personal feelings about Trump, is that his ideas are not grounded in reality, but he sure knows how to play to his base.

But thank goodness for the democratic process.

When the peoples voices, collectively are heard, in the end...we always do what's right.