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Hmmm.. this may require more nerve and maybe a little bloodshed to see it through. Heres hoping Egypt has what it takes.
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Rumour has it that the Army are losing patience and have threatened to shoot at pro-Mubarak supporters if this continues...
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It appears that egypts regime is trying to hinder any way it can the work of international journalists, stopping short of outright kicking out the foreign journalists.

Outside the Hotel Ramses Hilton, where some of the foreign media is staying, the unidentified men, which are assumed to be part of secret police are taking away the journalists' equipment, particularly the cameras.

I would wager that something big is going to happen and the reports are speaking of increased tensions in the cities of Egypt.
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http://www.economist.com/node/18070190? ... d=18070190

That puts my thought across far more eloquently than i could...
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shifty_powers wrote:http://www.economist.com/node/18070190? ... d=18070190
That puts my thought across far more eloquently than i could...
"FROM fear of autocracy through euphoria to fear of chaos: over the past ten days, Egypt has been through an intense emotional arc."
Ben Wedeman of CNN said something dramatic last night that I cannot but agree with: "In the blink of an eye, Egypt has gone from white to black." :( Righto, Mr. Wedeman.
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pjknibbs wrote:Rumour has it that the Army are losing patience and have threatened to shoot at pro-Mubarak supporters if this continues...
After losing control of the military there aren't many more dominoes to fall, are there?
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A pessimistic analyses of the future of Egypt:


Game over: The chance for democracy in Egypt is lost





Analyses is done by Robert Springborg for Foreign Policy magazine.
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shifty_powers wrote:http://www.economist.com/node/18070190? ... d=18070190

That puts my thought across far more eloquently than i could...
Damn you, I'm the only person around here allowed to quote from the Economist!!!!

ermmm

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RegisterMe wrote:
shifty_powers wrote:http://www.economist.com/node/18070190? ... d=18070190

That puts my thought across far more eloquently than i could...
Damn you, I'm the only person around here allowed to quote from the Economist!!!!

ermmm

:oops:
heh well my father has a paper subscription, and is useless with computers. So i get a free subscription online effectively :D
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Egypt is looking like it will be a very rough time. Their dictator more than likely will not survive this (politically speaking, but maybe also physically). As a general guideline, for a ruler to stay in power he needs of of the following to support him: The People, The Army, and the Elite. The people are against him, and the Army seems to be getting tired of the violence. I see either a civil war or a coup coming within the following months.
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Just going off-topic for a mo, (scandalous thing to do in an off-topic forum i know ;)), this officially the longest thread i have ever started :D
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shifty_powers wrote:Just going off-topic for a mo, (scandalous thing to do in an off-topic forum i know ;)), this officially the longest thread i have ever started :D
Congratulations! Here's to it being locked as late as possible!
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As long as amtct stays out i'll be fine ;) :P
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shifty_powers wrote:
RegisterMe wrote:
shifty_powers wrote:http://www.economist.com/node/18070190? ... d=18070190

That puts my thought across far more eloquently than i could...
Damn you, I'm the only person around here allowed to quote from the Economist!!!!

ermmm

:oops:
heh well my father has a paper subscription, and is useless with computers. So i get a free subscription online effectively :D
i've been toying with the idea of getting an online subscription but yet don't have the funds to do so....

it seems like a lot of people here read the Economist..
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Aye, probably the best newspaper around for politics and current affairs imo. And economics of course ;)
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In Egypt, as the ones that have followed the situation there allready know, there is still a standoff between pro-Mubarak forces and protesters.

The regime newest attempt to placate most protesters is to announce that Hosni Mubarak has resigned as head of the ruling National Democratic party.


I am also disappointed but not really surprised to hear that Angela Merkel, the German chancellor and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, fear that early elections in Egypt would "not be helpful".

Their justification is that the immediate ousting of Hosni Mubarak, the president, could lead to a power vacuum.
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Post by pjknibbs »

Warenwolf wrote: Their justification is that the immediate ousting of Hosni Mubarak, the president, could lead to a power vacuum.
Ever thought they might be right there? Who is in a position to immediately step forward and take power if Mubarak quits tomorrow?
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Well, to put it bluntly:
Merkel and Berlusconi would rather have an dictator in place than risk the chance of Egyptian people voting in people like Muslim Brotherhood.
Of course, it is not politically correct thing to say and hence the "concerns about the stability". Nobody asked people in Serbia to accept Milosevic to lead an interim government.

But let us assume good faith on part of politicians (after all it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong about something).

A thought experiment:

You and the friends you know are rising up against a corrupt and oppressive regime.
Now a foreign leader, which has also shored up the regime in question, tells you that you'll have to accept the old dictator to lead a sort of interim government like the one they have just now in Zimbabwe.
Wouldn't any local politician that accepted such deal instantly loose any credibility in your eyes?




I have no illusion about Egypts future even if they overthrow the regime. The people's lot will not improve instantly. Instead Egypt will face years of political instability. Democracy and rule of law are not created overnight.
I foresee 10-20 years of instability before they create strong democratic society (given they manage to overthrow the regime).
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Post by BeidAmmikon »

What If time.
What If Israel decides to cut the scandal off and enter Egypt to reinstate order and discipline?
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