It's a Shame And Shameful

[CHAZZ]

As most of you already know, i too am an ooold X-fan. I played XBTF for thousands hours, i played (and still play) x2 for thousands hours, and i 99% will play X3 for thousands hours. One day, but that day is not today.
-I see X3 has issues (thanks guys for all your headups)
-I cant be bothered to cope with some of the seemingly pointless flaws of X3
-I really trust EGO to fine tune the new game further, like they ALWAYS did with all their previous games.
-I am still having lots of fun with X2 (full patched and lightly 'scripted') it runs like a dream: fast, stabile, NO more CTD's, a joy to play.
-I can still live without it (X3 i mean, but not for long, tho)
So, even if my EUR ~50 are ready for X3 to be bought, i will wait for another bit.
Can't understand the people who like to flame people stating that they will wait for the game to become more polished before buy it. And, before someone starts throwing mudballs at me, i can say that i CAN try the game before actually buying it, so the issue:"OMG he is talkin out of his a$$ even if he doesnt have/played X3 OMG OMG!" is a non-issue. Why?
because:
1. I've tried it on my buddy's machine (mine is under-min-specced) on several occasions.Will not state my oppinion, since i played it for just a bunch hours.
2. I could easily just grab one of those 'safety' copies and play it.And pretend i am taking my revenge on EGO for not releasing a finished product. But, i respect EGO too much for that, it would be lame.
Again, i am very thankful to you guys that took the brunt of all the trouble this brand new product threw at you. It immensely helps us, other players who will jump the bandwagon when the product is 'finished'.
I am sure all the Khaak, Pirates and hopefully, the 'Argon girl named Suzy' and all will wait for us in there after few months of delay
So, please, keep them coming!!


CHAZZ

[MGA]

*sigh* I'll clarify again shall I?

I don't understand your point? You are making no sense, you have not played the game, but your glad it was released unfinished? Cos thats what you are posting here...

No. I didn't say I was glad it was released unfinished. I said I blame the impatient fools rushing the developers to finish it and then blame the developers for the bugs instead of themselves. I didn't buy X2 immediately because of the bug problem at it's release but I waited till new patches came out to fix it to a point were it became playable. The patches came and satisfied.

Does that make sense?

Actually I have to agree with TTE on that, you are being a bit critical of peoples views while not actually playing the game yourself.

What? I was agreeing to what Pixel said a while back and then I was tossed to one side. I just tried to clarify I don't see how someone who researches the game via the web instead of playing it has no say. Are you reffering me to the same kind who have no say because they sit on their backsides all day watching nothing else but reality tv shows?

In fact if I read you right, your standing back, letting others buy it, complain their heads off, resulting in patches and only then you’ll get it, while at the same time posting comments about those very people who do the complaining which result in the patches your waiting for.

I suppose you can say that although I can't see how I "make comments" about them. I personally believe they are simply being too harsh and should have been patient in the first place.

Interesting way to do it I suppose. Is that not the definition of mythical beastie type thing.

Explain what you mean by that.

[The_Tigers_Eye]

My points and my post was never about rubishing other peoples opinion whether they have played the game or not, only that how can you rubbish my opinion of a game that I have played if you have not even tried it yourself just becuase I'm highly dissapointed?

It would be easy for me to say, wow this game looks beautiful, in 6 months it could be fantastic, but that is the clinch. It could be, might be, potential, as it stands it has soo many fundamental flaws, it, imo, was simply not worht the full price I paid for it and I wish that I had waited, that I had canceled my pre-order like so many have cos as it stands, it's pretty crap gameplay experience.

EGO will probably make it as it should be eventualy, but for now, I feel cheated and no amount of blind faith will change that unless you are prepatred to refund my wallet and the time and hair pulling aggo I have suffered from this rush and harsh release.

[Trips]

Well, I might have picked up the chain of events incorrectly, if so, then it was a bit harsh.

Mythical Beastie, emmmmm, begins with T and ends in double LL, but as you say, probably not applicable.

[MGA]

...how can you rubbish my opinion of a game that I have played if you have not even tried it yourself just becuase I'm highly dissapointed?

I don't know how I upset you or rubbished your opinion, however if you put it the way you mention in your latest post here I'll apologise. If you are willing to wait for something better on the other hand like me, or not like others then fine. Either way I wish you luck.

Well, I might have picked up the chain of events incorrectly, if so, then it was a bit harsh.

Mythical Beastie, emmmmm, begins with T and ends in double LL, but as you say, probably not applicable.

Yeah I guess the beetle thing was random. As for the, "chain of events," Let's call it quits on that and forget about it. Or we are square. Or whatever way of saying just forget about it...

[Trips]

That's another thing, I've been saying for over a year now, that
WE NEED BETTER SMILIES IN HERE.
That thumbs up is terrible.

[eperdeme]

To complex for my standards, I've played eve for 3years, freelancer etc and this games just far to complex to play as well as heavly buggy with flashes of wrong faces in the chat windows, cut scenes that look worst than a game such as dialbo which is 5years?+ old now and just a terrible feeling that by the time I have learnt what ever button I need does and where it is I will be so bored I will juust give up anyway.

[MGA]

That's another thing, I've been saying for over a year now, that
WE NEED BETTER SMILIES IN HERE.
That thumbs up is terrible.

I'm cool with the thumbs up but I do know of a website that has enough to shake a stick at. Trouble is you must be registered to view.

[Trips]

You would be wouldn’t you. Couldn’t imagine what site your referring too though.



Back on topic though.

Trips, I tend to agree with you, but I don't understand how you can be so offended as you apparently are. I don't really find it to be very important.

There’s a few reasons why I feel, offended is a bit strong, disappointed would be closer to it. I bought X2 based on the claims of an interactive universe, and for me, and many others I can gather, it clearly wasn’t, at least no where near to the level implied.

Then I decide to hold off on X3 for some later patches, and hope that the horror stories I’m reading on the forum are down to the (often) usual knee jerking and over exaggerations. But when I read about the 200 od ships and station I think, OK, I’ll buy it early. But then find that the 200 odd designs are just 80or 90odd with some really very very minor alterations between certain models, if that. That, plus things like the menu system, the removal of so many (I grant you) minor bits and pieces, the lack of elements promised, some of which I didn’t realise through posts here, none of the many good scripts not being included, and the still lack of an interactive universe, close to the one advertised, and that word advertised is important.

I have to admit I felt I had been a bit of a dope for “falling” for it again. I’ve done a bit more reading in the forum, and I’ve noticed an interesting trend. Quite a few of those who say they are enjoying the game also mention that they bought it because there is nothing else out there in the space sim genre. And it’s that lack of competition which makes it feel that Egosoft at best is being a bit complacent about adding new content and are at worst being cynical and exploiting the fan base because they know there is no competition, I mean is X3 different enogh to be a new release rather than an upgrade. Other threads have quite a few people mentioning this lack of alternatives in passing.

Anyway, that’s some of the reasons why I feel a bit niffed, yeah that’s a good word.

[Aketzali]

While we are ranting about X3...

X2 had Level-of-detail (LOD) functionality, so that e.g. SPPs would be visible, when viewed from a distance, but look very simple. X3 lacks this functionality and only draws full models of stations and ships, when you are sufficiently close to them. If you are far away, they will not be shown at all. With X2 it would therefore be very difficult to make a really pretty screen dump, since the ships and factories that were far away would look simple. In X3, all screen dumps look good, because one cannot see what is far away.

I have just been in Omicron Lyrea and while flying to the west gate, I saw the blue squares that indicated that there were objects in space, but not a single polygon from the objects themselves. Space was completely empty, except for these flying, blue, 2D squares.

I don't know why Egosoft decided to go away from the well-known LOD technique, but maybe it was because all the pretty screen dumps would be good for selling the game?

[Trips]

Possibly, though, I think it may have something to-do with number crunching, that could also explain why things like the Warp tunnel where removed to let the new sector load quicker, internal docking, etc.

I know they are only minor changes, and I may be wrong, but that’s why I felt upping the detail of the planets was strange (even though it is a minor overhead) while removing other small bits and pieces, possibly to compensate for it. It is just one of the things that makes it feel “unfinished”, and how things where taken away for no obvious reason.

And going back to how it is advertised, how does “invisible” nebula make it a more realistic universe.

I’ll say it again for those new to the thread and might feel the urge to jump in at all the “negative” posts, I am a fan as, I suspect everyone here is, but when something’s not right it really should be said (OK it is a personal view). Otherwise how do we have any chance of it being changed or corrected.

[The_Tigers_Eye]

I dont see how any of this game can be advertised or classed as 'realistic' considering the flight models and the fantasy nature of the game.

A very good aspect of this game, that even I will admit to, is that so far, with the time I had spent on it, I have enjoyed the combat with the exception of the first 2 missions. It may be this one feature or aspect, if the holes are eventauly plugged, that will encourage me to give X3 another try.... eventualy.

This thread, it's blatant flamebait and cheap way of increasing your post count Trips and as such should be locked and you thrown in the dungeons along with that alleged TMG psycho Arnold Judas Rimmer!

What, isn't that what your expecting *sigh*...

[Yellowjack]

In response to Grumman's comments.

Oz got X2 first and 1.0 was a disaster. Obviously if you buy games when they have been on the shelves for a while and patches are available then you can say they weren't bugged but it would be untrue.

I have recently bought AOEIII - can't play due to sound fall out after 20 minutes - known problem and I had already downloaded a patch before I received my copy .

Dungeon Lords was a disaster and I tried to play it just once then took it down and never went back.

Even good old FS2004 needed a patch and was bugged on release. It took about 12 months for a patch to be released.

There are other samples I could enumerate but these will do to demonstrate that bugged code at the time of release is by no means unusual.

One thing that X2 did teach me was that Egosoft were very good at producing the necessary fixes and I still look forward to receiving my copy of X3, bugs and all, because I trust that Egosoft will produce patches in a timely manner.

And let us be quite clear that design decisions are not bugs so if for example cockpits were to be put back into X3 it wouldn't be a bug fix as it was a design decision to leave them out.

[Trips]

I dont see how any of this game can be advertised or classed as 'realistic' considering the flight models and the fantasy nature of the game.

A very good aspect of this game, that even I will admit to, is that so far, with the time I had spent on it, I have enjoyed the combat with the exception of the first 2 missions. It may be this one feature or aspect, if the holes are eventauly plugged, that will encourage me to give X3 another try.... eventualy.

This thread, it's blatant flamebait and cheap way of increasing your post count Trips and as such should be locked and you thrown in the dungeons along with that alleged TMG psycho Arnold Judas Rimmer!

What, isn't that what your expecting *sigh*...

Good post there TTE, I know your angry with the game but making it personal, no wonder you have so much trouble getting a woman if that's the attitude you take when you have a drink in you.

What's the matter, not what your expecting.

[Sandalpocalypse]

If you are far away, they will not be shown at all.

Not true, that depends on the fogginess on the sector.

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AQC --> LOD. You can see AQC in action when approaching a SPP; just watch the cells.

[esd]

You will not be warned again.