Rebirth release date. - Part 2

[Nikola515]

We were promised screenshots on a weekly basis.

But then people complained screenshots weren't enough or that the screenshots were fake.

Then Egosoft stopped giving screenshots every week.

They can always ignore who is complaining instead of ignoring all of us now
(Personally i don't think that was really reason why they stop giving info/images)

[eladan]

And yet all these people accusing others of over reacting, telling them to just calm down, relax and wait it out... Are in here like a hawk the moment anything even remotely negative is said about Egosoft or Rebirth.

Pretty funny isn't it?

Isn't it, just?

Listen, I'm not supposed to tell you this, but we've got a secret Egosoft supporters club. We constantly monitor this thread and send out 'Emergency Alerts!' whenever one of us sees anybody making disparaging remarks about Egosoft, and we draw lots to decide whose turn it is to respond each time it happens.

In between times, we hold meetings, where we pray and make offerings to a brass idol of Bernd, as well as play previous X games as a form of meditation in homage to the spirit of Egosoft. Occasionally, one of us goes into a religious ecstasy where we get tantalising glimpses of the oneness that is Egosoft and X.

There ya go, now you know.

[Noahdilweed]

And yet all these people accusing others of over reacting, telling them to just calm down, relax and wait it out... Are in here like a hawk the moment anything even remotely negative is said about Egosoft or Rebirth.

Pretty funny isn't it?

We cant all be on the same bandwagon. There`s a reason why there are two sides on yingyang. Balance.

[Fallent]

And yet all these people accusing others of over reacting, telling them to just calm down, relax and wait it out... Are in here like a hawk the moment anything even remotely negative is said about Egosoft or Rebirth.

Pretty funny isn't it?

Isn't it, just?

Listen, I'm not supposed to tell you this, but we've got a secret Egosoft supporters club. We constantly monitor this thread and send out 'Emergency Alerts!' whenever one of us sees anybody making disparaging remarks about Egosoft, and we draw lots to decide whose turn it is to respond each time it happens.

In between times, we hold meetings, where we pray and make offerings to a brass idol of Bernd, as well as play previous X games as a form of meditation in homage to the spirit of Egosoft. Occasionally, one of us goes into a religious ecstasy where we get tantalising glimpses of the oneness that is Egosoft and X.

There ya go, now you know.

I'm pretty sure there's a word for that, but I'm not allowed to say it. Was only a few pages back though, I'm sure you know which one.

"Get a grip, people. Seriously, it's not about you." However much sarcasm you want to reply with my point still stands. It's not about you either. Yet you do seem awfully bothered and feel the need to reply anytime anything negative is said.

[BarrenEarth]

I agree with Falent...

And anyone who wants to argue that Egosoft is not an Indie developer is not equipped to be at the big boy table with the rest of us.

Egosoft
Stardock (before the sell out)
Mojang

All the very definition of Independent developer.

And yes, there is something seriously wrong with the way Egosoft and Co. are approaching this.

[EmperorJon]

gosoft is not indie, and neither is Mojang any more.

Also, in response to those asking why we have to keep coming back to defend Egosoft, why do the others keep coming back to attack? I don't come here to praise them as a fanboy, I come here to respond to those posts which, like that recent one, seem to be saying nothing more than "You've lost me as a customer because...".

This is a forum where things are discussed. That is the pupose of the forum. If you argue with someone by responding to their post but you don't want an answer back then maybe this place isn't for you.

[BigMistake]

Funny thing about NDA's... talking about them violates them; the "well" written ones anyway.

I find this all very silly (both sides of it). The game will be out when its out. They'll give us info when they are ready to do so... worrying about things beyond your control is a pointless exercise in futility.

That said, I drop by almost everyday to watch the latest episode of "Days of Our X:Waiting." Please, do keep up the bickering. I find it very entertaining.

[SIMON POPPLEWELL]

Well, I don't really pay much attention to these complaints as most complainers usually are the first ones who will buy it when it comes out in anycase. It will be realeased when it's finished.

[Krewzur]

And anyone who wants to argue that Egosoft is not an Indie developer is not equipped to be at the big boy table with the rest of us.

An indie game is a game made by an individual or a very, very small group of people with very little or no financial support.

Egosoft is a legitimate video game company (founded in the 80's!), backed by a publisher, that makes video games for profit. That means they are NOT an indie developer.

[Night Nord]

I agree with Falent...

And anyone who wants to argue that Egosoft is not an Indie developer is not equipped to be at the big boy table with the rest of us.

Egosoft
Stardock (before the sell out)
Mojang

All the very definition of Independent developer.

And yes, there is something seriously wrong with the way Egosoft and Co. are approaching this.

Independent developer is a developer who doesn't use funding from publisher. It may publish it's games though publisher, but it develop it using it's own funding.

We don't know how much that's true about Egosoft, but everything tells that egosoft is receiving funding from Deepsilver. Which means that they are not independent by definition. Most of game studious are working in such way - they develop a prototype, find a publisher that is interested in that prototype and then they are developing full game under publisher tight control and with publisher's funding.

Also, "indie game" is genre and it doesn't equal to "game from indie developer". It means "unique" (or "innovative" if you wish).

X: R is neither indie game (cause it's "elite-like game" - well defined and established genre) nor game from indie developer.

P.S. Mojang IS indie developer. Valve is indie developer (frankly). It's just that at some point they stop calling such studios "indie" and start calling them "self-publishing" or "publisher".

[Santi]

Egosoft is doing, exactly the same, he did with the release of the rest of his games. You may not remember or weren't there maybe, and the games were successfully enough that, older versions are still selling in Steam. The failure of the games to sell more is well documented and concerns gameplay issues, nothing else.

Every few months we have a few titbits of information, pretty good for a game in development, compared with a marketing campaign for a released game or a game that you bought already.

Reading more into the present situation (waiting for the game) is just speculating and pretty much, fantasize about doom scenarios to see if people jump in the bandwagon.

[pjknibbs]

X3:TC is a nice game but it really suffers from its lack of information in-game, bulky UI, hassling fleet management, buggy missions and so on. Why dont you let your community help you create a better game ?

Two things:

1) You seem to be under the impression I'm an Egosoft employee. I'm not. I'm a volunteer admin, like most of the other moderators here. (CBJ being one of the few exceptions, he actually *does* work for Egosoft).

2) Egosoft do let their community help them create a better game--sign and send off an NDA and you can get level 5 DevNet access, which gives you access to test early versions of the game and stuff like that. You don't even need to pay them up front for the privilege, like you do with the Star Citizen kickstarter!

[Cowski]

Let me reiterate something I've said a number of times before but evidently has been overlooked.

PERSONALLY, I am not looking for a release date. It would be nice, sure, but personally that's not what I am looking for. "It'll be ready when it's ready." I've heard that for 15 years with games. I live it and I have accepted it. Don't put out a crappy product. I get that. That's not what a lot of requests are for.

So for those of you that will skim my email, see "release date" and ASSUME (and that's what you are doing) that I'm (we're) asking for a release date....try reading the whole message instead of skimming it. You'll see a lot of us mearly want to be kept coming back. Yes, I keep coming back in the grand hope that egosoft will finally GET IT (like I'm supposed to) that as fans of the game, toss us a bone!!!


I'm not asking for regular release information (a'la SC). I am (and I'm sure others are) looking for updates on the progress of the game. But due to some "NDA" that is continually thrown in our faces, egosoft even refuses to throw even the tiniest piece of information our way to keep us interested. This forum is flooded with conjecture, "would be nice", "what do you think?", forum messages that are started by desperate fans of the game just to keep things going.

Will I still buy the game WHENEVER (IF??? *cough* vaporware) it comes out? ABSOLUTELY!!! Until than, egosoft, accept my griping as a fan extremely interested in your game, I WANT TO throw my money at you for it, and I will. X:AP was an OUTSTANDING GAME & kept me coming back for more.

So take all this griping, rabble rousing, snide comments, complaining from me (and others??) as a offhanded compliment and frustration. Nothing more.

You'll get my money....if (when??) the game comes out. Till then sorry...but we're going to be upset that you are keeping us in the dark about everything.


(I'm sure that CBJ and others will have some technical reply to this message to degrade me & my sincerity. So be it...it's their right to do so. )

[eladan]

Yet you do seem awfully bothered and feel the need to reply anytime anything negative is said.

You want a real answer then? It's highly likely that people jump on those negative posts because there is simply no justification whatsoever for the vitriol being directed at Egosoft.

It doesn't seem to matter how many times people are told the reasons that Egosoft have supplied for their silence (where it is known to be standard practice across the industry, and there is no basis for assuming they are lying anyway,) certain people simply ignore that and make up their own far fetched reasons that mostly seem to be that Egosoft is deliberately withholding information in order to annoy the crap out of everyone. I've not heard anyone give a sane alternative reason why Egosoft would be pursuing such a course of action, other than the reasons Egosoft have already given.

Additionally, the sense of entitlement in those sorts of posts is staggering - whether or not you consider yourself a loyal fan of the series, you are not paying Egosoft's wages for developing this particular game. No one here has any right whatsoever to demand anything of Egosoft until they have given Egosoft some money for the game. Even if Egosoft were to completely scrap this game now and make an announcement that they were never making another X game ever, nobody would have any justification for blaming Egosoft for such a decision. Whether or not you've bought previous games in the series, none of that has bought any stake in the company that is Egosoft, to justify telling them what they should and shouldn't do in the future.

I'm not asking for regular release information (a'la SC). I am (and I'm sure others are) looking for updates on the progress of the game. But due to some "NDA" that is continually thrown in our faces, egosoft even refuses to throw even the tiniest piece of information our way to keep us interested. This forum is flooded with conjecture, "would be nice", "what do you think?", forum messages that are started by desperate fans of the game just to keep things going.

Have you seen what happens whenever anyone like CBJ does actually post anything? Even his post about the game not being in beta was dissected and analysed minutely, with many people arguing for pages about what it actually meant. Everyone here seems to be an expert, not only on development cycles for games, but Egosoft development processes in particular. Or at least lack of that knowledge doesn't seem to stop them from using any piece of information given by Egosoft to pinpoint the exact position they are at in developing the game, along with a personal critique on how Egosoft can have botched up development so much to be going so slowly.

Any post, however vague, seems to be taken as a promise by some people. "Egosoft said <blah>, so they must be 10.35 weeks from release!" and when those 10.35 weeks are up, that same person will be back with a venomous post about "promising to release by now - where's the bloody game!!" That may not be you, or indeed the majority of forum members here, but some people love to fill in the gaps with their own imaginings.

[Noahdilweed]

Seeing how both sides have stated a viewpoint on this, i think the tone of this is only going downhill. Can we get a little friendlier now and get back to discussing this topic in the way it was "intended?"

[Cowski]

Seeing how both sides have stated a viewpoint on this, i think the tone of this is only going downhill. Can we get a little friendlier now and get back to discussing this topic in the way it was "intended?"

I'm curious to know what this topic was supposed to be "intended" as?? At least in your opinion, Noahdilweed.

As for friendlier. Explain how this topic could be friendlier? A hodge-podge of comments that are irrelevant to the game? The topic, in this case is, "Rebirth Release Date". What else should be discussed in here if not the "Rebirth Release Date" topic?

[Noahdilweed]

Please let me explain myself. I come to this forum to chit chat and to see what other people are saying or feeling. I believe everyone is entitled to their own view even if i dont agree or like it. But when the tone of a conversation turns and people are in their choice of language and sense stress, coming to what seems to an irritated state, why cant we all say "ok lets just let that go." This topic's intent does allow for debate. There can be different sides. But keep it civil please.

If this thread runs out of on-topic things to discuss the thread can go to the wayside and die. They do it all the time. If more info is brought up then it will continue on.

I dont try to step on others toes so please accept my apology if i have to anyone. I do wish this thread to continue on topic, so i will have nothing more to say on this.

[Night Nord]

If this thread runs out of on-topic things to discuss the thread can go to the wayside and die. They do it all the time. If more info is brought up then it will continue on.

This particular thread will never die. I guess it will live forever even after X: R release as people will continue to fight if game is worth the development for this period of time or not.

[Ratzsa]

Have you seen what happens whenever anyone like CBJ does actually post anything? Even his post about the game not being in beta was dissected and analysed minutely

Was that the one where I joked about it being in alpha? Whops.
I agree with the rest of what you said, and I wish I could favourite it like on twitter.
I was curious and googled a little to see what happens if Egosoft people violate the NDA. Would not be pretty. So there is good reason they are very restrictive with the information they give us. One small mistake and it's basically jail time. That would suck, because then the release date might be pushed back.

[Fallent]

That would suck, because then the release date might be pushed back.

I see what you did there!

Since we're all clarifying where we stand I'd like to do the same. I want this game released yesterday, bug free, and at half price.

Keep your knickers fresh and out of a twist. That was a joke. All I personally want is a REAL progress report. "Yes we're in Alpha, Late 2013 release maybe" nothing more." "Close to Beta, good news maybe mid 2013 release". I'm not bothered about new vids/screenshots.