Rebirth release date. - Part 2

Mountain_Puncher · Post by **Mountain_Puncher** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 05:20

vapourlock, swag, trolls, tnt, fan boy but spelled wrong with an i replacing the y, shoes, tbd, Q4, saying names 4 times, cars, shoe horns, narcoleptic pasta, colorful talking equine, laser fiddles, beowulf, differentiation with respect to y, apples, heavy alpine motor boat lifting, prone.

I'll leave this here to summarize the thread thus far, so as to catch up any latecomers.

elexis · Post by **elexis** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 05:58

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Cowski · Post by **Cowski** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 06:39

Général Grievous wrote:Do you think we will have a joke from Egosoft for 1st April??

i remember "move your hipsss for profitssssss"!

No, because when it comes to X:R, there isn't anything funny about it in the eyes of the moderators/dev team/quality assurance/etc.

<back to reading all the news from RSI in regards to the consistent updates I get in regards to Star Citizen. Good reading everyone! They don't keep everyone in the dark like egosoft does. I highly recommend it.>

pjknibbs · Post by **pjknibbs** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 07:42

Cowski wrote: <back to reading all the news from RSI in regards to the consistent updates I get in regards to Star Citizen. Good reading everyone! They don't keep everyone in the dark like egosoft does. I highly recommend it.>

It's been explained numerous times that Star Citizen (and other Kickstarted games) *have* to give out regular information updates because you've *already paid for them*. You are essentially an investor in the Star Citizen project and are entitled to know what the devs are doing with *your* money. This is not the case for X-Rebirth.

(Don't know why I'm bothering to say that again because no doubt it'll be ignored like the previous 4,382 times, but hope springs eternal, I guess...).

DaMuncha · Post by **DaMuncha** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 08:08

That doesnt mean we dont want it any less.

wormpattern · Post by **wormpattern** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 11:34

pjknibbs wrote:
Cowski wrote: <back to reading all the news from RSI in regards to the consistent updates I get in regards to Star Citizen. Good reading everyone! They don't keep everyone in the dark like egosoft does. I highly recommend it.>
It's been explained numerous times that Star Citizen (and other Kickstarted games) *have* to give out regular information updates because you've *already paid for them*. You are essentially an investor in the Star Citizen project and are entitled to know what the devs are doing with *your* money. This is not the case for X-Rebirth.

(Don't know why I'm bothering to say that again because no doubt it'll be ignored like the previous 4,382 times, but hope springs eternal, I guess...).

Ok I actualy I just registered to type it. With this approach you gonna loose customers. I dont like your response being pretty much unpolite. If you are not interested in keeping us informed, I am not interested in waiting.

-1 customer. cya

Night Nord · Post by **Night Nord** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 12:18

pjknibbs wrote:
Cowski wrote: <back to reading all the news from RSI in regards to the consistent updates I get in regards to Star Citizen. Good reading everyone! They don't keep everyone in the dark like egosoft does. I highly recommend it.>
It's been explained numerous times that Star Citizen (and other Kickstarted games) *have* to give out regular information updates because you've *already paid for them*. You are essentially an investor in the Star Citizen project and are entitled to know what the devs are doing with *your* money. This is not the case for X-Rebirth.

(Don't know why I'm bothering to say that again because no doubt it'll be ignored like the previous 4,382 times, but hope springs eternal, I guess...).

Even not every kickstarter project sees that in such way. Some developers still prefer to keep silence in fear of possible future market loss (which actually quite weird towards the people who funded it, IMO).

Ratzsa · Post by **Ratzsa** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 12:20

wormpattern wrote:
pjknibbs wrote:
Cowski wrote:<back to reading all the news from RSI in regards to the consistent updates I get in regards to Star Citizen. Good reading everyone! They don't keep everyone in the dark like egosoft does. I highly recommend it.>
It's been explained numerous times that Star Citizen (and other Kickstarted games) *have* to give out regular information updates because you've *already paid for them*. You are essentially an investor in the Star Citizen project and are entitled to know what the devs are doing with *your* money. This is not the case for X-Rebirth.

(Don't know why I'm bothering to say that again because no doubt it'll be ignored like the previous 4,382 times, but hope springs eternal, I guess...).
Ok I actualy I just registered to type it. With this approach you gonna loose customers. I dont like your response being pretty much unpolite. If you are not interested in keeping us informed, I am not interested in waiting.

-1 customer. cya

I'll buy an extra copy instead of you then. :> And he wasn't unpolite. They have a NDA with their publishers or something, which just means they can't reveal much stuff legally anyway.

I hope the actual release date is revealed april 1st. Would be funny when people don't believe it.

Xiombargdei · Post by **Xiombargdei** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 12:50

pjknibbs wrote:(Don't know why I'm bothering to say that again because no doubt it'll be ignored like the previous 4,382 times, but hope springs eternal, I guess...).

I'm not sure why you take it so bad. As a new player of X3:TC but long time videogames player (35 years old here), I would really love to get more information about the next X game.

X3:TC is a nice game but it really suffers from its lack of information in-game, bulky UI, hassling fleet management, buggy missions and so on. Why dont you let your community help you create a better game ?

I'm a huge fan of Paradox Interactive, which designs sandbox games just like X, and i own half their games. That must be worth 500 euros or something. There is a reason why i literally throw my money at them : Communication.

Fallent · Post by **Fallent** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 12:57

I've all but given up on this game, and from the looks of it so have a lot of other people. Sad to see, sad to say, but it's the truth.

Sure, when the game is FINALLY released there will be a ton of new fans and buyers, but every fan/customer lost here is still another loss.

This was my number one game I was looking forwards too, but all the SC talk (from Rebirth fans no less) actually has me starting to get more interested in that then Rebirth.

EmperorJon · Post by **EmperorJon** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 13:50

And yet all those who leave make the decision themselves. It's not as if there's a limit to the number of games that a single person can follow. I find it bizarre that people say "I've not seen any information in a year so I refuse to ever purchase this.", but then again, it's their loss. I'm more than content to just sit and wait, getting on with my everyday life.

BarrenEarth · Post by **BarrenEarth** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 14:13

EmperorJon wrote:And yet all those who leave make the decision themselves. It's not as if there's a limit to the number of games that a single person can follow. I find it bizarre that people say "I've not seen any information in a year so I refuse to ever purchase this.", but then again, it's their loss. I'm more than content to just sit and wait, getting on with my everyday life.

Games that typically follow this kind of secrecy, with constant missed deadlines, excuses and a rude PR staff that gets sick of fielding the questions tend to come out like Sword of the Stars 2 or like Duke Nukem Forever...

Get it?

I swear to god that this forum is starting to look like Kerberos and Lighthouse Interactive's forums Circa 2011 every single day.

EmperorJon · Post by **EmperorJon** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 15:04

Giving a release year and missing it 2x is not constant missed dealines.
The staff are not rude, and neither are they PR staff.

Of all the games I've ever followed the development of, only the indie titles provided constant development updates, the rest as usual simply announcing they're working on and then getting on with it. Egosoft were more or less pressured into giving information about Rebirth to confirm they were working on something. Everytime they miss a "release date" everyone cries vapourware, and even when they were releasing images and videos and confirming they were real shots people were claiming they were all concept art.

Is it really a surprise then that they want to make sure they'll get their dates right this time before announcing anything else?
Some people here seem to have gone beyond wishing the game was out to actively wanting it to fail.

BarrenEarth · Post by **BarrenEarth** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 15:43

EmperorJon wrote:Giving a release year and missing it 2x is not constant missed dealines.
The staff are not rude, and neither are they PR staff.

Of all the games I've ever followed the development of, only the indie titles provided constant development updates, the rest as usual simply announcing they're working on and then getting on with it. Egosoft were more or less pressured into giving information about Rebirth to confirm they were working on something. Everytime they miss a "release date" everyone cries vapourware, and even when they were releasing images and videos and confirming they were real shots people were claiming they were all concept art.

Is it really a surprise then that they want to make sure they'll get their dates right this time before announcing anything else?
Some people here seem to have gone beyond wishing the game was out to actively wanting it to fail.

SOTS2 was a indie release... so is Rebirth. So I am not sure what your point is there.

I am just saying, I have seen this before, and very recently. This looks identical. Eventually they will be forced to release something that shouldn't even be considered a beta and it will be a disaster. That is my bet.

DaMuncha · Post by **DaMuncha** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 16:03

Barely any game constantly releases information about their games, this has been discussed. But the game was announced to be released 2 years ago, we were promiced information on a weekly basis, we were promiced weekly screenshots for us to drool over, so we soaked up the information that was there, we read the stickies about the game, we read the Q and A threads, then we waited, and waited. And now we are sick of waiting. And now people have lost interest entirely in the game and you have lost customers. and yet you continue to keep your mouths shut. Yes we are aware of NDA agreements but we havent even been given that as an excuse for the lack of information.

I think something went seriously wrong, (something along the lines of Ivan Buchter from Bohemia Interactive being put in jail in greece) but still you keep your mouth shut. I am very keen to invest my time in XR after even only briefly scratching the surface of the X universe. But there is a limit that even I will give up and leave.

I am not begging you for information, I am not demanding you to release XR tomorrow. I am merely notifying you that you are walking a very fine line and risk loosing your most loyal customers, who are the ones that mod for your games, add more content and improve them, and advertise your game to everyone else.

So please, I'm just asking you to have a little respect for the people that continue to support you.

P.S. I'm not buying X Rebirth if I cannot fly any ship I choose, as has been a integral part of the X series.

The Q · Post by **The Q** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 16:50

BarrenEarth wrote:SOTS2 was a indie release... so is Rebirth. So I am not sure what your point is there.

What makes X Rebirth an indie game (or indie release)?

Indie games are normally not founded by a publisher (X Rebirth is), they are often released only on digital ways (a dvd release was already announced for X Rebirth) and the development teams are rather small (while Egosoft is small too, most indie game studios have only half or even less developers than Egosoft).

DaMuncha wrote:we were promiced information on a weekly basis

Please show me this promise! People keep mention it, but no one was able to show it to me by now.

Oldman · Post by **Oldman** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 17:16

DaMuncha wrote:..I think something went seriously wrong, (something along the lines of Ivan Buchter from Bohemia Interactive being put in jail in greece) but still you keep your mouth shut. ....

The 'Daily Supernova' recently stated that a number of people from Egosoft had been arrested, on suspicion of knicking the hub caps off the curiosity rover on Mars, and taking photographs in the vicinity of Gale Crater.
While I don't really believe the story it does beg the question why they were there in the first place?

Could be something to do with 'More interaction with Planet Landing' in their forthcoming game I suppose...(which was another rumour I heard about the other day

)
It could possibly tie in with why the release date has been put back a smidge...

Oldman

A5PECT · Post by **A5PECT** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 17:16

We were promised screenshots on a weekly basis.

But then people complained screenshots weren't enough or that the screenshots were fake.

Then Egosoft stopped giving screenshots every week.

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 17:16

DaMuncha wrote:Yes we are aware of NDA agreements but we havent even been given that as an excuse for the lack of information.

I don't think you've been paying attention then - CBJ has certainly stated that their hands are tied wrt how much info they can give.

Not only that, but he has stated on numerous occasions that it is undesirable to release too much information about the game too early, since it would reduce the impact of their marketing drive.

Having said both of those things, people still constantly ignore all of the facts, and lay the blame on Egosoft purposefully withholding info to annoy everyone (why would they?) or construct wild conspiracy theories - again, with Egosoft as the villain who are determined to piss off their entire fanbase!

Get a grip, people. Seriously, it's not about you.

Fallent · Post by **Fallent** » Sat, 30. Mar 13, 17:41

And yet all these people accusing others of over reacting, telling them to just calm down, relax and wait it out... Are in here like a hawk the moment anything even remotely negative is said about Egosoft or Rebirth.

Pretty funny isn't it?

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Rebirth release date. - Part 2