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X2-Eliah wrote: P.S. I propose new signatures for all the folks acting like hipsters with their favourite artists ;)
I was into Egosoft before they were popular and sold out
Beforehand, I´d propose to start a poll about wether people think ES is selling out or not :P
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X2-Eliah wrote:P.S. I propose new signatures
The only one that makes sense to me is....
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Asmodae wrote:Just thought I'd remind everyone that for DOS based games there's Dos Box: http://www.dosbox.com/
A DOS x86 based emulator, in fact the very same one GOG uses to get some old DOS games running.
I've used Dosbox before & can recomend it for anyone who likes old games. Tried it out a few months ago because I couldn't get the original System Shock running without it. My disk dates back to 1994 - game wouldn't even install without a DOS environment to keep it happy.
Alien Tech Inc. wrote:In the UK, if you walk into any computer games shop now, it's all XBox, PS3, Wii and DS games. You'll be lucky to find any PC games at all, and then it's one .... ONE shelf unit.
That's bad, my local shop caters much better for PC games, would estimate about 20% of the entire shop. 3 full height wall units for the new releases & a decent collection (about 2x the shelf space of the new stuff) of older titles being sold cheap, not second hand copies either.
Alien Tech Inc. wrote:The retailers are not solely to blame, however, as they cater to demand.
But it is catch 22, if more people bought PC games from retailers, then retailers would sell more PC games.
That makes sense, I get all my games from my local shop so perhaps I'm one of the reasons they still offer a decent selection. Have certainly had no problems at all buying X games from them. Anyway would much rather my money went through local retailers, it keep them in business & provides employment for quite lot of people.
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Post by Incubi »

Digital download like it as not it is the future of pc games. You can whine about it and miss out on your favorite games, or you can be apart of it and a part of its developments. I for one think we are far better off demanding better services from digital download companies, and demanding more legal rights to our digital properties.

In the end, no matter whay we may all say, steam is the undeniable better choice for any company making games that they would rather not dummy down to port to a console.
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Both!

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THEY COULD DO BOTH? MORE PROFITSSS!!!
The BANISHED RETURNS.
HEALTH WARNING! Steam Damages Freedom Of Speech!
Congratulations Egosoft on increasing memory usage from 2 to 3 Gb.
Bin playing X too long when Egosoft refuses to sell you their latest game?
The only steam I want is in my kettle! STEAM=GAME OVER.
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David Howland wrote:THEY COULD DO BOTH? MORE PROFITSSS!!!
You forget that before the profits come the costs.

I am almost 100% sure that Deep Silver evaluated both plain physical distribution and Steam-based distribution, and found that the former would not yield (enough of) a profit.

I think it would be nice if there were Steam and non-Steam versions, and everyone could get what they want. But I guess the market speaks to the contrary.
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Incubi wrote:Digital download like it as not it is the future of pc games.
Digital download, like it or not, is still a before its time pipe dream in most parts of the world.

ONLY where there is high speed, reliable broadband, is it possible.

I dont have it here. Plenty of people have said the same thing.

Steam and Deepsilver may think its a practical reality, but they live in digital wonderland, not in the real world.

The whole concept of Steam is my worst digital nightmare.

Game Over.
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:roll: "Most parts"? Acknowledging that their market is mainly Europe, Japan and the US (and not africa, antarctica or Amish community central) - again you are extrapolating your position as that of the 'majority'. Seems like you live in a wonderland too, where everyone is as you are and can fully be summarized by your state & opinions..
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X2-Eliah wrote::roll: "Most parts"? Acknowledging that their market is mainly Europe, Japan and the US (and not africa, antarctica or Amish community central) - again you are extrapolating your position as that of the 'majority'.
Then they are selling themselves short. Thats a small portion of the world. I'm sure Microsoft dont put that sort of limitation on themselves.

Regarding the signature change suggestion earlier.....

Done.
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the future
10 years from now:
our virtual avater walks into the steam shop and rents a game, the newest best game... it is a dumbed down console port from the i-console. it installs into his cloud storage computer and ready to play. then the connection is severed as someone pinches the copper cable from the telephone exchange (again), and you sit at home by an empty shell of what passes as a computer/i-console and wonder what you can do for the next 3weeks as BT replaces the stolen cable and realise you cant go on line to report the outage and all your work is stored on cloud.
by shear boredom you go into the attic and get your old 2009 gaming rig out... it works and you sit there playing all those retro games you have on disc because you dont have a connectionm, then you realise what is wrong,
for one thing you didnt have to log on to your avater with its biometric scanner, and you didnt have to pay the monthly subscription fee for the avater, or the subscription fee for the virtual cloud computer or the enhanced rent for the games you just brought which only allows 30days of usage.

you then realise the PC and independent gaming died out with the advent of online always on thrid party distrubtion. yet there is a glimmer of hope as you realise that your friend fairywhipper and co are still playing with their old non connected rigs and supports the old retro non internet based games that use to run under windows now known as i-g-windows after the merger of apple and google which brought out microsoft.......


ok the last bit might not happen for a few years yet....i-g-windows.... wonder should i patent it before i- is patented anymore....
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NONSENSE!
Most households in this world do not have high speed broadband.
To pretend that the only places that do not have high speed broadband are Africa and polar wastelands is facile and arrogant.
Large areas of America US and outside do not have HSB. Large parts of Australia have no broadband, half of Rusia and China have no broadband, not to mention Asian forest, deserts and moutains. In this country many rural people still dream of Broadsband.
Apricotslice was RIGHT! X2-Eliah YOU are guilty of personalising the majority, apologise please!
The BANISHED RETURNS.
HEALTH WARNING! Steam Damages Freedom Of Speech!
Congratulations Egosoft on increasing memory usage from 2 to 3 Gb.
Bin playing X too long when Egosoft refuses to sell you their latest game?
The only steam I want is in my kettle! STEAM=GAME OVER.
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KloHunt3r wrote:I'd be just as happy if it didn't require Steam. But it was the developer's decision
Nope - not the devs decision. The publishers. Bernd's original quote was something along the lines of "it'll probably be Steamworks because that's the way deepsilver are doing all their games now"...

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Post by apricotslice »

How about all of us who dont want steam make this a lot more visible ?

300+ people dont want steam.

If we all have Steam = Game Over in our signatures, then this will show up where ever we post. It might even get people asking what its about and drawing attention to this forum and this thread, and thus increasing votes. The more votes the better as far as I'm concerned.

So, if you dont want steam, please add this or something like it to your signature. Mine is necessarily brief, since my existing signature uses most of the allowance. If your not using most of your signature, use it to get the message out.

Polls are not the only way to vote. :D
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Post by Alee Enn »

apricotslice ... I am being told to shut up in the "fed up with negativity" thread.
Wonderful attitude of those who object to us objecting.

Frankly I am starting to question the point of posting on here any more. What is the point of fighting for choice for those who don't care?
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Alien Tech Inc. wrote:apricotslice ... I am being told to shut up in the "fed up with negativity" thread.
Wonderful attitude of those who object to us objecting.

Frankly I am starting to question the point of posting on here any more. What is the point of fighting for choice for those who don't care?
Whos being negative ? I'm POSITIVE I dont want steam. Whats negative about that ?

:lol:

Really, there is a fed up with negativity thread ? lmao. That sounds pretty negative. :D

I'm not posting here for those who dont care. I'm posting here for me.

I'm actually chuffed that I'm not the lone voice in the wilderness for once ! :D

I know its pointless. But I'm Indigo. As the saying goes, "I'm Indigo, watch me wag the dog !". :D

The fact I changed my signature shows what I really think.
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The freedom of expression and choice is always worth defending. Otherwise the Nazis can lock up all thinking people, then enslave the rest!
The BANISHED RETURNS.
HEALTH WARNING! Steam Damages Freedom Of Speech!
Congratulations Egosoft on increasing memory usage from 2 to 3 Gb.
Bin playing X too long when Egosoft refuses to sell you their latest game?
The only steam I want is in my kettle! STEAM=GAME OVER.
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Post by Texhnolyzed »

As if you need high speed internet for Steam. I got about 180kb/s download speeds and Steam is one of the best things to happen to my PC gaming experience.
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David Howland wrote:The freedom of expression and choice is always worth defending. Otherwise the Nazis can lock up all thinking people, then enslave the rest!
The Nazis are dead, Jim. Since 1945. :wink:
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chew-ie wrote:
David Howland wrote:The freedom of expression and choice is always worth defending. Otherwise the Nazis can lock up all thinking people, then enslave the rest!
The Nazis are dead, Jim. Since 1945. :wink:
Are they?
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Post by CBJ »

It seems Godwin's Law has finally paid this thread a visit. Seriously though, everyone, please try and keep it friendly. The very worst thing for "freedom of expression" would be if the debate got too heated and we had to close the thread.

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