[SCRIPT] Military Base Response revamp v2.16 [2011-10-27]

Eightball Maniac · Post by **Eightball Maniac** » Sat, 18. Sep 10, 02:31

I've come to enjoy the ramming aspect sometimes encountered with enemy ships, rearguard or not. Nothing quite as entertaining as finishing off one destroyer, only to turn and see the prow of another smash into you, obliterating your already weakened shields and a chunk of the hull. Serves me right for not maintaining awareness of the larger battle!

Catra · Post by **Catra** » Sat, 18. Sep 10, 02:57

maybe you should include a scaling mechanic for each sector the xenon have conquered(like say, a 0.5% increase in amount of tokens per sector)?

as for the multiplier: 5x does make em abit...extreme, but that IMO is how the xenon are supposed to do things: crushing the opposition with massed amounts of ships.

Requiemfang · Post by **Requiemfang** » Sat, 18. Sep 10, 03:11

I've set the tokens down to 2x and lets just say things are going well enough... heck Xenon attacked Scale Plate Green and wiped out everything there all that was left was a debris field of wares, derelict craft and a few Xenon cap ships and lots of fighters. Teladi where no where to be seen. I jumped in and decided to up the anti on the Xenon and guess what happened next? Teladi decided to jump in a Rearguard wing. They didn't just send it through one gate though... lol they did a flanking maneuver they jumped in from one gate and then jumped in another gate and attacked them on two sides. Unfortunately not all Xenon ships were destroyed a Xenon J that I was attacking was getting down to half it's hull, it decided to bail out on the attack and jumped back to it's homebase DRATS

ThisIsHarsh · Post by **ThisIsHarsh** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 05:36

I've been thinking of changing from "Rearguard" to something else, especially for Xenon, who also really could do with a different name than "Military Outpost" for their bases.

The only reason I used "Rearguard" was because it exists in the vanilla language file, so is already translated (assumedly).

So I'm now taking suggestions for:

Main race "Rearguard" name replacement (perhaps even different name for each race, e.g. 'Royal Guard' for Boron?).
Xenon "Rearguard" name replacement.
Xenon "Military Outpost" name replacement.

Requiemfang · Post by **Requiemfang** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 05:58

Argon - Federal Guard
Teladi - Profit Guard
Split - Family Guard
Paranid - Holy Guard
Terran - USC or ATF guard or Sol Guard

Though of course there is one race that isn't included which is the Khaak... pirates and the Yaki on the other hand I doubt they need it seeing how if you use Yaki Armada and the Pirate Guild mod that adds a bit of bite to both factions there as for the Xenon... I have no clue...

ThisIsHarsh · Post by **ThisIsHarsh** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 06:07

Requiemfang wrote:Argon - Federal Guard
Teladi - Profit Guard
Split - Family Guard
Paranid - Holy Guard
Terran - USC or ATF guard or Sol Guard

Though of course there is one race that isn't included which is the Khaak... pirates and the Yaki on the other hand I doubt they need it seeing how if you use Yaki Armada and the Pirate Guild mod that adds a bit of bite to both factions there as for the Xenon... I have no clue...

OK, makes sense to use Federal, Royal, Profit, Family, Holy in there somewhere.

I'm not too sure about the word 'Guard' though, except perhaps for Boron (i.e. Royal Guard).

And I'm sure there is something better than Sol/USC/ATF for Terran. What is their societal/governmental structure anyway? Military dictatorship?

And still no idea what to call Xenon.

Yaki, Pirate and Khaak aren't handled by MBR. Look to YA, PG, IR for those. Those plugins can be used alongside MBR.

Hmm, how about:
Paranid = Crusader
Teladi = Mercenary

Still puzzling over others.

Requiemfang · Post by **Requiemfang** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 06:44

Argon - Federal Navy?
Split - I got nothing

Terran - they I think work similar to the Argon but are more controlling in sense so maybe Earth Protectorate?

ThisIsHarsh · Post by **ThisIsHarsh** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 07:09

Split are a tough one indeed.

I looked up godfather wikia and found 'Enforcer' - "Enforcers are hired hoods for a particular family, who have either yet to be made, or who are not Italian but have proven their worth in battle". One up from Enforcer is 'Soldato'.

I don't particularly like either Enforcer or Soldato, but they're the best so far.

So far...

Argon = Navy
Boron = Royal Guard
Paranid = Crusader
Split = Enforcer
Teladi = Mercenary
Terran = ?
Xenon (ships) = ?
Xenon (bases) = ?

Any advance on these?

Requiemfang · Post by **Requiemfang** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 07:31

for Xenon ships... I guess... Renegade or Berserker. As for the base it could take those two and turn them into say... Renegade command outpost or base? or replace the Renegade with Beserker in front of Command Outpost or Base

Sunrayn · Post by **Sunrayn** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 08:00

Well, Xenon ship designations are simple so their stations are likely simple too.

AGI Hub, followed by a letter or number designation, or not.

Requiemfang · Post by **Requiemfang** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 08:30

I think Renegade or Beserker would fit them better they are after all Terraformers who had a bug in their code basically they went ballistic/postal/berserk on their creators. Would also fit their profile since they are still today in the X universe still going Berserk and trying to kill everyone and everything

Edit: after I looked at a Military base for the Xenon I thought of something after looking at the text... Maybe... Cleanser or Purifier would work better? *shrugs*

ThisIsHarsh · Post by **ThisIsHarsh** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 08:36

Hmm, good point Sunrayn, best to stick to the Xenon convention of boring names... how about:

Argon = Navy
Boron = Royal Guard
Paranid = Crusader
Split = Enforcer
Teladi = Mercenary
Terran = ?
Xenon (ships) = Auxiliary
Xenon (bases) = Xenon Router

Still wide open to better suggestions...?

ThisIsHarsh · Post by **ThisIsHarsh** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 08:39

Requiemfang wrote:I think Renegade or Beserker would fit them better they are after all Terraformers who had a bug in their code basically they went ballistic/postal/berserk on their creators. Would also fit their profile since they are still today in the X universe still going Berserk and trying to kill everyone and everything

Edit: after I looked at a Military base for the Xenon I thought of something after looking at the text... Maybe... Cleanser or Purifier would work better? *shrugs*

Ah hmm, yeah I like Berserker, and it makes sense, except that it contradicts the simplistic naming convention.

I was liteally just looking in online thesaurus for synonyms to caretaker, cleaner, etc. That's what led me eventually to "Auxiliary".

I thought "Router" for the bases, because that's kinda what the outposts do - they control which ships go where.

Eightball Maniac · Post by **Eightball Maniac** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 09:02

Aren't the ships spawned by Rearguard supposed to be reserve forces used when other military assets are unavailable? That's what I assumed from the description in the first post, anyway. Or are they just meant to be regular installments of reinforcements? Meant to guard race space? Bit confused, now.

If just standard reinforcement units, stuff like 'Navy' works well enough.

If guard forces, 'Royal Guard' and the like are fitting. For Earth space, perhaps 'Terran Defense Force' or similar? It's simplistic, but I doubt any of the races would bother with fancy names anyhow.

If reserves, well, Reserves and such. Even Rearguard works for that, still.

I like 'Router' for the Xenon bases, or something similar to it. Maintains the technical feel of them. What about different terms for all of the race bases? Personally, I'm a bit tired of seeing 'Military Outpost' for every race.

I do like the idea of each race having its own term; adds flavor.

Requiemfang · Post by **Requiemfang** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 09:07

From what I've seen Rearguard forces respond to invasions by other forces that are set for them as enemy. Like for Argon I've set Paranid as enemy, Xenon are enemy to everyone. If an invasion happens I've noticed in the sector that got invaded that the nearest military base sends out it's Rearguard ships to defend that sector and drive off enemy forces or destroy them. SO I guess in a sense they are reinforcements to the local military forces in that particular sector that is IF that sector has any defenses ships at all. Some sectors don't or at least the patrol of military vessels hasn't arrived yet in that sector

ThisIsHarsh · Post by **ThisIsHarsh** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 09:22

Yeah Rearguard ships are like reservists. Originally there were no invasions in MBR, so "Rearguard" fit rather well. But now you see Rearguard ships involved in invasions, so it doesn't work quite as well.

And yeah, I would like to add some flavour, I'm all about immersion.

Different names for the bases would be cool, but except for Xenon they are all spawned and thus named by the engine. For now I'll just stick to finding a better name for Xenon bases, and leave renaming main race bases til later.

So still:

Argon = Navy
Boron = Royal Guard
Paranid = Crusader
Split = Enforcer
Teladi = Mercenary
Terran = ?
Xenon (ships) = Auxiliary
Xenon (bases) = Xenon Router

Requiemfang · Post by **Requiemfang** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 09:46

Don't know if this will work for Terran but... how about Vanguard? eh... might not work... your trying to get rid of guard in the name lol

ThisIsHarsh · Post by **ThisIsHarsh** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 09:48

Requiemfang wrote:Don't know if this will work for Terran but... how about Vanguard? eh... might not work... your trying to get rid of guard in the name lol

Vanguard would be brilliant, except some ships have Vanguard in their type, so you would have "Vanguard Vanguard" suffixed to some fighters.

EDIT: had a good idea for Boron, LOL:

Argon = Navy
Boron = Marine
Paranid = Crusader
Split = Enforcer
Teladi = Mercenary
Terran = ?
Xenon (ships) = Auxiliary
Xenon (bases) = Xenon Router

Requiemfang · Post by **Requiemfang** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 09:51

That to! lol

Edit: Hmmm running out of ideas for Terran... uhhh... how about Special Ops? or something in that area...

TrixX · Post by **TrixX** » Sun, 19. Sep 10, 10:03

Terran Defence Force?

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[SCRIPT] Military Base Response revamp v2.16 [2011-10-27]