Trump Presidency

[matthewfarmery]

Had to post this, So Trump went onto Fox news to do a town hall packed full of MAGA and Trump supporters.

Former President Donald Trump faced backlash on Wednesday for what critics slammed as his “pretty cruel” remark following a comment about a Black woman who died from complications under Georgia’s restrictive abortion law.

At the start of Republican nominee Trump’s all-women town hall with Fox News’ Harris Faulkner in Georgia, Faulkner noted that the family of Amber Nicole Thurman — a 28-year-old mother who, according to a ProPublica investigation, died in a preventable incident in 2022 under the state’s tough abortion law ― was holding a press call as a prebuttal to the Trump event.

“Oh, that’s nice,” Trump said sarcastically, adding, “You’ll get better ratings, I promise.”

Faulkner smiled, and the audience lapped it up and laughed.

I call that bloody sickly, Trump is one sick evil man, the audience that laughed should be ashamed of themselves. He really makes me sick.

[fiksal]

evil indeed

bookmarked for history

[Vertigo 7]

I wouldn't spend energy on people who are supporters of white nationalism, fascism or any flavor in between.

That's the thing. If anyone who is voting republican these days doesn't realize that's what they're supporting, they're willfully ignorant. This has all been on full display since 2015 and sadly met with roaring applause at the Oompa Loompa King's klan rallies.

[chew-ie]

What's at work here is a mixture of the "skills" humans are very good at: self-deceiving and selfishness. Comparable to soldiers going to war with the "knowledge" they won't die - it's only the others. In our case it's along the line "sure there will be people suffering - but it won't affect me" all the while they live in the illusion they are the good guys.

So IMHO it's nothing "american" - it's the fault we all have to live with. We are experiencing the same stuff in europe. People vote facists into power because they fear (or believe those who tell them they have to be afraid of) "loosing" their wealth. (because immigrants take it all away 11elf! ).

[Chips]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5KWZL1blWc

More Jon Stewart goodness. As a foreigner, this sort of stuff would be the end of someone's candidacy. It's almost fascinating how it isn't

[Vertigo 7]

if anyone has been paying attention to the polls over the last few weeks, most of em have shown Harris's lead has somehow evaporated and she and the Oompla Loompa are neck and neck, often with him having a slight edge. Turns out there's a reason for that. All these polling entities get polling data from various groups and Trumpanzies have flooded them over the last couple of years and they've been feeding a bunch of BS data to the polling entities.

The polling entities have even admitted the RWNJ polling data is all garbage but they're still including it in their tabulated results, albeit with "less weight" than they're giving other data... but it's still clearly enough to skew the results.

So why is this important? Well... if you've been paying attention to the Orange One's rhetoric, he's dusted off the 2020 campaign tape and put it on repeat claiming voter fraud and democrats cheating in the election, even well before early voting even started. When he gets his ass handed to him in the voting tally, he'll point back to the polls to his sycophants and say "SEE! THERE'S NO WAY I COULD HAVE LOST! GET YOUR TORCH AND PITCHFORKS!" and start another coup attempt/riot.

[felter]

This late in the game polls don't really matter, each party should have been using polls to show them when something was or wasn't working, for example if the polls crash for you after a debate you know something went wrong with the debate, and you can go and look and analyse just what could be the issue or if it went good then you know what to keep doing and saying. At this point, most people know just how they are going to vote, so polls make little to know difference but saying that at the end of the day someone could go well Harris was winning, so I was not going to bother voting, to going crap Harris is losing and Trump could win I better get out and vote for Harris, so manipulating them is a risky scheme that could easily backfire and cost them.

Right now, it is better to look at what is happening in early voting, which is surprising some as they were expecting a higher Republican turn out than has been happening as the GOP had been urging Republicans to early vote. Saying that there is only around 1 million between the two while there has been an upturn in unregistered voters early voting.

Dems - 7,015,873
Reps - 6,076,896
Others - 3,970,424

Right now, it's the others who hold the balance in the vote, and it's not possible to know how they have voted until the votes have been counted. Then again at the end of the day because of America's insane voting system, it all comes down to a few states that ultimately decide who will be the next president, so most American's votes don't even matter.

[Vertigo 7]

You don't get it. It's not about the relevancy of the polls but what Diaper Don is going to do when he loses. His entire plan is centered around sewing as much chaos as possible around the election and his underlings creating false polls for him to point to is just one part of his overarching scheme. This is actually the same nonsense Kari Fake pulled after her loss in AZ, getting repubtards riled up by pointing at polls and saying she shouldn't have lost and its all some grand conspiracy against her, yadda yadda yadda.

[felter]

I get you, but I don't think it will make any difference what the polls say, he is still going to go for another insurrection at some point if he loses, and he will use any excuse he or someone else can think of. For some insane reason, he thinks a civil war with people dying on his behalf is romantic and cool, while not realizing that if there is a civil war on his behalf he will lose everything, his business interests will be burned to the ground while both him and his whole family will become targets and will probably be killed at some point, but this is what he is fantasying about.

[Chips]

You don't get it. It's not about the relevancy of the polls but what Diaper Don is going to do when he loses. His entire plan is centered around sewing as much chaos as possible around the election and his underlings creating false polls for him to point to is just one part of his overarching scheme. This is actually the same nonsense Kari Fake pulled after her loss in AZ, getting repubtards riled up by pointing at polls and saying she shouldn't have lost and its all some grand conspiracy against her, yadda yadda yadda.

Have to admit when I started reading the original i was thinking "isn't this good, means Democrats won't sit at home going 'this will be fine' but will actually vote...". Didn't even cross my mind that it would pave the way for claiming shenanigans during election due to discrepancy.

Does this mean should sell ETF's prior to election incase trouble flares and causes a short sharp decline
What do you mean that's a poor taste question

[Vertigo 7]

Well see that's been kinda my whole point I've been trying to make for the last forever. That orange asshole won't accept a defeat at the ballot box. He's maneuvered people into places, like the polling groups, state election boards, congress, etc., all over the place to stack the deck when his loss comes so he can cry make believe foul. He knew he was going to lose the very second when Harris became the nominee for the democrats so instead of campaigning, at least seriously, he's been wasting everyone's time with dumb shit like that "dancing" mess at the townhall, or rambling speeches that have absolutely nothing to do with his plans for governing, etc etc. His plan now is 100% coup.

There is a small ray of hope in that some courts have thwarted some of the MAGA bs plans to just hand him an unearned victory, like the GA Supreme Court forcing that election board to toss out their illegal rules they had no authority to establish. But, key word, only some.

Just to reiterate, that treasonous bastard has set the stage to overthrow our government with the help of the GOP (some willing participants, some burying their head in the sand trying to pretend this is all normal). Legitimacy is not going to be the operative word for this election due to his machinations.

[matthewfarmery]

Seems Trump is proposing if he wins, that Kennedy will have control over food and medicine agencies.

Public health experts reacted with alarm Wednesday to reports that former President Donald Trump promised anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. control over federal agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services and Department of Agriculture should the Republican nominee defeat Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris in next week's election.

Speaking at last week's bigotry-laden campaign rally at Madison Square Garden in New York, Trump said that if he wins, he'll let Kennedy—who in August suspended his Independent presidential campaign and endorsed the GOP nominee—"go wild on health."

"I'm gonna let him go wild on the foods," Trump vowed. "I'm gonna let him go wild on the medicines."

Basically, if Trump wins, then goodbye healthcare, food safety and more. It will be a freaking disaster for America. Especailly the stance that Kennedy has taken on these issues.

Trump says, he is a protector of women, and if he gets back into the WH, he thinks he can protect them if they like it or not. BUT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv0lSbu-lJo

This is one heartbreaking story that happened recently, its worth watching, about one women who had a miscarriage, but didn't get the care that she needed, BECAUSE!!! Abortion is banned in Texas, As the doctors refused to treat her, as they had to wait for the fetus to die. (it was from reports a miscarriage and no way to save it) Overturning Roe VS Wade was a huge mistake. And it seems to be costing womens lives. And that PIG has a lot of nerve to say he is a protector of womens rights.

Bloody disgusting.

[Falcrack]

Here are my predictions for this election

If Trump wins (not close)
Harris will readily concede. Trump will use his presidency to consolidate power, make sure every federal agency and judge is personally loyal to him, seek revenge on his political opponents, and institute as much of Project 2025 as he can. Ukraine will fall, Russia/China/Iran/North Korea will become a dominant power in the world, US influence will fall dramatically. Authoritarian governments seeking favor with Trump will become dominant across the globe. Expect a Trump dynasty, where his kids become the heir apparent.

If Trump wins (close)
Harris will eventually concede. See above for Trump actions as president.

If Harris wins (close)
Trump will not concede. There will be a period of civil unrest from Trump supporters, seeking to overturn the results of the election. It may lead to civil war in a worst case scenario. The closer the results, the more likely the outcome for civil unrest.

If Harris wins (not close)
Trump will still not concede. His supporters will be unhappy, but they will have less cause to support insurrection. Expect much grumbling but no real risk of civil war.

I am personally thinking a very, very close Harris victory is likely. But my crystal ball is a bit fuzzy.

[fiksal]

One adjustment, I think Ukraine will never fully lose because the war will never end.

With end of US support and if EU support won't be enough (though EU is donating more money than US, last I read), Ukraine will switch to war with no hold backs. All energy pipelines, all strikes in Russia, for basically as long as Ukrainian population remains out of camps.

And then Ukraine finds a nuke that it has no restrictions on using

[Falcrack]

One adjustment, I think Ukraine will never fully lose because the war will never end.

With end of US support and if EU support won't be enough (though EU is donating more money than US, last I read), Ukraine will switch to war with no hold backs. All energy pipelines, all strikes in Russia, for basically as long as Ukrainian population remains out of camps.

And then Ukraine finds a nuke that it has no restrictions on using

That may be so. I wish the best for Ukraine, and personally would not be opposed to active US participation (ie US troops on the ground, fighting Russia) to end the war more quickly on favorable terms so that Ukraine can regain all its territory. But I may be in the minority in my opinion.

This war feels like such a clear cut case of right vs wrong that I feel that sitting it out like this is morally unjustifiable, even if Russia has nukes. We should not let fear of Russian retaliation with nukes keep us from intervening to stop Russia from taking over other countries, NATO members or not.

[fiksal]

I agree.

[felter]

Here's a thought. If Trump loses the election, we will have less than four years to wait to go through all of this again, with the only difference being it will be project 29 and Donald Trump junior that is running for president.

[Falcrack]

Here's a thought. If Trump loses the election, we will have less than four years to wait to go through all of this again, with the only difference being it will be project 29 and Donald Trump junior that is running for president.

We'll have to cross that bridge when we get there. Democracy is never 100% safe from lunatics taking over. The only protection for democracy lies in the good sense of the people, with the majority of the people making the right decisions.

As has been said, democracy is the worst form of government, except for everything else. At least in a democracy though, the people get the government they deserve, for better or worse.

If I may quote from the Book of Mormon, there is a part where the King is changing the government from a monarchy to a system of elected judges as rulers for the people. The rationale for this change was that they had had some pretty bad kings in the past, who had caused the people to be bad too. If the people instead chose their rulers, they could avoid having such bad kings. The reasoning was that the people mostly were good, and would therefore for the most part choose good rulers. A warning was given by the king however, where he said

"And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land."

If the time comes that we, as Americans, choose iniquity, then is the time that God's judgements will come upon us. I hope we choose well.

[Vertigo 7]

When the Orange turd loses the election, he's going to rile up his sycophants and things are going to get extremely messy over here. There's not going to be any wishful thoughts of not having to deal with him again. The only wishful thought people are gonna have is that his klan rally on July 13 shoulda been the last one he ever gave. This vote is no where near the end of it.

[mr.WHO]

We'll see, but pulling the same stunt twice will have completely different optic than the first time.

Not to mention everyone would expect goverment / national guard to be better prepared this time, otherwise it's "fool me once shame on you...".