Trump Presidency

[Vertigo 7]

Of course they are. That Orange idiot would fill his diaper and blame the radical left communists or w/e he's calling us these days. Not shocked in the least.

[matthewfarmery]

Of course they are. That Orange idiot would fill his diaper and blame the radical left communists or w/e he's calling us these days. Not shocked in the least.

Would have been more shocked if he didn't

[jlehtone]

went wrong with the underlying logic of democracy over there.

the system isn't protected about this kind of thing

What is the logic anyway?

Those, who get into position of power have tendency to try to stay in power. If the system would not give any power to the elected representatives, then somebody else would have it?

[Vertigo 7]

Well see that's the thing. The founders naively believed that no one would ever put forth someone like Darth Hamburder to be president. They were riding high after having tossed the brits out on their crumpity butts and thought their ideals of a "more perfect union" would prevail over individual greed. They didn't predict the rise of a fascist regime in the south and a civil war, much less morons claiming that's part of their heritage, even though it was only around for a whopping 5 years, and carrying the bitter sting of their defeat on hundreds of years.

I guess the lesson is you can't predict what an idiot will do. You can try to round off the sharp corners and lock the liquor cabinet, but a determined moron will find a way to smash it open and stand there as proud of themselves as they can be atop the rubble they created to get at that bottle, no matter how bloodied and bruised they got to get their too.

[Chips]

There's a few too many people to respond to in one go. So in curiosity, of "how out of norm" is this really in the good ol US of A. Data is from 2011/2015, and it may simply be due to an escalation (well, it is, they state that) in the numbers. There's another site that said 2014-2015 and highlighted basically 2.2 threats per day in the US (for shootings and bomb).

https://eschoolsafety.org/bir

Second one:
https://schoolsecurity.org/2015/02/stud ... l-threats/

From first link

in the 2015-2016 school year U.S. schools have experienced 1,267 bomb threats, an increase of 106% compared to that same time period in 2012-2013.

So 4 per day. FOUR PER DAY IN THE US OF A.

OH typically had 8 bomb threats a month. So how many of you are aware of that before all this happened? How many are remotely aware of the state of the country and school threats prior to this burst of news. Where's the outrage from 2012's 2 a day, 2016's 4 per day.

As always, while I find the legal system there odd in many ways, the level of scepticism about your own legal and democratic system when it doesn't *do what you want* is, frankly, frightening. It's almost as if you believe you should take action if something isn't the way you want -- where "take action" is basically ignoring all your countries laws to gain something you believe is right, correct and just.

I fail to see how that's any different from the definition of "extremism". It should mean a pause for reflection, but as always, people don't really see it (and don't worry, I'm among them ).

[Vertigo 7]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at, here. But, bomb threats against a school isn't exactly some new thing that's taken root. What's different about this particular incident is that it was a Tumpanzie making a political statement instead of some kid trying to get out of an exam or piss off the school staff. 99.999999% of the time the bomb threats have had 0 credibility... in fact, I can't even recall a time where bombs or bomb material was ever actually found at a school (there may have been, I just don't know of it and can't be assed to look). I'm not saying they shouldn't be taken seriously, they absolutely should. I'm just saying the likelihood of casualties is next to nil. But when some RWNJ says he's gonna bomb a school, probably should pause to consider the possibility that he's serious because these whack jobs will blow up an abortion clinic (with people inside) in the name of pro-life activism. Would not be surprised in the least if they start using children as hostages to get what they want.

School shootings, otoh, thats a more modern thing. Until Columbine, this was practically unheard of. Every now and then sure, some news story would surface about some kid that got caught with a gun in school, but we never heard of someone roaming the halls with an assault rifle picking off kids left and right. When I was in school, we never had active shooter drills.

Anyway, I dunno if that gives you what you're looking for or not, but thats my take on it.

[Chips]

Well, I assume that every bomb threat (anon usually?) that comes in is likely signed "right wing nut job" or "disgruntled student", so they will know which to take action on Do we have stats that back up how often such threats manifest into actual incidents and the origin(s) of said threats? I've looked it's not readily available. However, education is second highest target (behind business/office generic), but these are blanket terms after all.
https://www.atf.gov/file/136971/download

So why did I mention it; well... for example, before Columbine, you say high school shootings were rare? That was 1999 was it not?

in your opinion... they were rare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_ ... ted_States

There were 117 school shootings in the 1990's before Columbine, and 121 for the entire decade.

In the 00's there were 85.

So, wait, what?

It has indeed seemed to "explode" in popularity since 2010's (twice as many as in the 1990's). So maybe deaths... a little look (and if you discount 1 mass shooting in the 00's) then the deaths from the shootings in the 1980's equalled the deaths from school shootings in the 2000's. The one that changes the balance (71 vs 76) is Virginia Tech; with 33 alone. But otherwise, whaaaat!?

This is kind of off the topic a bit, but the point being made here is same. It's often we see things with a tint towards our own personal perceptions.

The original post I made was also referring to things like "threats wouldn't have been made without Trump" - despite threats being made *all the time*. The bits about justice system being a joke, it's broken, voting is pointless, people are intentionally changing education to keep people uneducated to benefit their alignment, options are take action and the more extreme variants there of.

The point being made on that was people perceive something isn't going how they want it to, so everything must be broken. The assumption is always "it's stacked in their favour" sort of thing. Even the Columbine statement shows, we *think* something...

But is it always the reality? It's hard to argue against the bomb threats could be linked directly to Trump But this wasn't just about bomb threats, and I'm showing they're always ongoing in the US of A its just when it was aligned with the Orange One suddenly it's a concern. *BECAUSE* it's the Orange one.

Because it aligns with our hate of him.

But they're always ongoing. I'd need to see what cases have been prosecuted (if ever) against Ex presidents or politicians of any flavour to see if it's really *that* unusual to see the level of court room drama playing out; but the perception is because he hasn't been sent to prison, that the system is failing. As you pointed out previously, it happens if/when they're found guilty, in court, based on evidence. Not our individual perceptions.

[matthewfarmery]

So Trump has found another group top blame, if he losses in November, he is now saying that if he loses, the Jews will be partly to blame.

Just fanning the flames for more hate speech. For someone who is suppose to be a leader for everyone, this kind of talk is wrong. And there are laws against such speech.

Trump is following someone else from history, and we alll know what happened with him.

Those that don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

But this will only get worse as we get closer to November. More unhinged, more dangerous.

[felter]

He went to some Jewish event yesterday I think it was, to talk to them, and he basically spent the whole time talking down and insulting them. How he thinks this is going to get votes is beyond me, you can't bully or force someone to vote for you.

[matthewfarmery]

Well, Trump is now selling silver coins, anyone here think its an auto scam? raise your hands It only contains about $30 ish amount of silver if that. (selling for $100)

And then, to add more controversy, Trump pick Mark Robinson, for North Carolina, has gone very badly. When Mark Robinson has well, to put it mildly, dug a huge hole for himself and into hot water. He could have resigned, but didn't. And Trump's team is somewhat distancing themselves over this mess.

What is worrying is that Georgia has passed a law that all votes must be counted by hand. The problem is, there not really enough trained counters. And the body who past the law, have no powers to pass any laws. So more Trump's allies doing some dirty work to try and help Trump win.

So yes, work is at hand to try and help Trump.

[Vertigo 7]

Their goal is obvious. They want to cause as much chaos as possible during the election to force the decision to the house of reps where they'll just install the Nazi bastard as dictator and that's all she wrote.

[Vertigo 7]

This is a short news video but about an ongoing trial in south Florida.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1knvl90cFLs

This right here is a prime example of how desperate the GoP is, but also goes to show they will absolutely cheat to win. Why am I bringing this up? I don't think the orange one is even trying to win his campaign any longer. I think he knows that his chances evaporated the moment Harris stepped up to be the Democrat's nominee. Instead, they're focusing efforts on making sure the election is disrupted as much as possible so that the winner is declared by congress - essentially what he tried to do in 2020 but this time has been able to actually plan for it.

This whole threat of a government shutdown is tied to it with the so-called "Save" act tied to the continuing resolution. In a nutshell, at the orange one's urging, house republicans are demanding that a rider be attached to the funding bill that criminalizes non-citizens voting in federal elections (which is already illegal so total waste of time) and further empowers the secretaries of state to toss people off the voting rolls if they have "foreign sounding names" and requiring them to bring proof of citizenship to reregister to vote (IE passport or a birth certificate, which I have no f'n idea where my birth certificate is, as most don't either, and people that don't travel out of the country don't have a passport). Of course, the senate and Biden have already said that bill will never pass either one of em so the house GoP is just wasting time pushing the orange one's agenda on that.

[matthewfarmery]

Can't watch the video, but, I see where you are coming from. Damn scary.

So there will be no debate between Harris and Trump in October, as Trump is saying, it's too late. Not that I'm surprised. as he is scared out of his mind of her. In a recent Fox interview, he projected. And still claims it was his best debate ever.

What is good, is that the Harris camp are getting a lot of funding, while the Trump camp is staling for cash and spending. (we all know where the money is going)

[matthewfarmery]

Another possible repeat of history,

Trump Says Deported Immigrants Will Get Serial Numbers

Donald Trump said he would round up and mass-deport noncitizens based on their “serial numbers” if he’s elected, the New Republic reports.

Said Trump: “We’re getting the criminals out, and we’re going to do that fast, and we know who they are, and the local police know their names, and they know their serial numbers.”

He added: “We’re not a dumping ground. We’re going to get all of those people out, and we’re going to get them out fast.”

Very much sounding like a dictator each passing day. The only way he probably could pull it off, is if he has absolute power. This should scare people. Question is, where does he plan to send these people too?

[matthewfarmery]

So republicans are doing it again

Republicans are teeing up a legal challenge before three judges appointed by Donald Trump in deep-red Mississippi that could boost similar lawsuits in more competitive states.

The Republican National Committee and other plaintiffs argue that Mississippi is violating federal law by counting mail ballots that arrive within five days after Election Day, which resembles statutes on the books in nearly two dozen other states and jurisdictions. A ruling in their favor could help them in similar cases elsewhere, reported CNN.

“It’s a clever strategy,” said Derek Muller, a Notre Dame Law School professor who specializes in election law. “You’re looking for the circuits that are going to be most hospitable to your claims.”

Republicans say that Mississippi’s mail ballot policy violates a 19th Century federal law establishing Election Day for the Tuesday after the first Monday in November, arguing that the law requires ballots to be placed in the custody of election officials by that congressionally mandated date, although the Justice Department and the Democratic National Committee dispute that reading in friend-of-the-court briefs.

So they can''t win the election by legal means, so another attempt to cheat their way to the WH, And if the republicans win here, it could lead to even more chaos across the country, even if it goes to the supreme court, we know which side they will vote on.

Dark days indeed. a Harris win is far from certain. especially if votes don't get counted, or this goes to the supreme court.

[Vertigo 7]

They know not what they do. They fail to realize that our military 99% of the time votes by absentee ballot. Are they saying our troops vote doesn't matter? Cuz that's the message that'll be heard.

[matthewfarmery]

This is pretty much a dumb move, and yes, many military personal will be unable to vote, if the republicans get their way. But they are doing all that they can to steal and cheat. Oh yes, seems that a group of retired generals, ex civil service personnel, and other ex military have formed together to show support for Harris, as this group says that Trump can not be trusted full stop. I think their number was about 700 odd. So this move by the republicans won't help matters there. More chaos in November for sure. Biden might have to use powers to get things sorted. I have a feeling it might come to that. Especailly when a good chunk of republicans aren't going to follow or defend the constitution.

Edit

Something else Trump recently said, Trump is now saying that the invasion of Ukraine, is America's fault. and that Putin is the victim. I bet he trying to cosy back up to Putin again for his support. (and his help)

[matthewfarmery]

Well, this is what money and power can do to a man, as before that happened to Vance, he was another Trump hater, and had a private chat with a source that hasn't been identified.

Prior to the 2020 election, several years before running for a Senate seat representing Ohio, now-Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) engaged in private messaging where he complained that Donald Trump "fail to deliver" on his policies and correctly predicted that he would lose to now-President Joe Biden.

According to a report from the Washington Post's Peter Jamison, Vance contacted a writer he admired via Twitter, now known as X, and exchanged pleasantries and engaged in banter about politics where he jokingly agreed that the man he is running with in 2024 had been acting like an "emperor."

As Jamison notes in his report, the recipient of the messages is being kept anonymous to avoid retaliation after they shared those conversations with the Post.

According to the news report, "In the direct messages — sent during Trump’s final year in office to an acquaintance over the social media platform then known as Twitter — Vance harshly criticized his future running mate’s record of governance and said Trump had not fulfilled his economic agenda."

In particular, Vance wrote in February of 2020, “Trump has just so thoroughly failed to deliver on his economic populism (excepting a disjointed China policy)," before later adding in a June message, "I think Trump will probably lose.”

According to the WaPo's Jamison, "The critical messages, shared with The Postby their recipient on the condition of anonymity because of concerns about retaliation, cast doubt on Vance’s oft-recited account of how and when he embraced Trumpism. They were written years after Vance’s previously reported remarks attacking Trump, such as his statements in 2016 that Trump was 'reprehensible,' 'cultural heroin' and possibly 'America’s Hitler.'"

The report went on to note that a spokesperson for Vance did not deny the VP candidate wrote the messages and then insisted they were, "not meant as a criticism of the former president, but of 'establishment Republicans who thwarted much of Trump’s populist economic agenda to increase tariffs and boost domestic manufacturing in Congress.'"

I find the remarks of the spokesman to be both funny and total BS. Of course it is criticism directed at Trump. but like a few Republicans, once they get one sniff of power, they become ass lickers especially for Trump. I wonder if Vance's game plan to take over from Trump if they win? That is probably one thing that he could do, even though he has proven (Vance) to be deeply unpopular.

[matthewfarmery]

not surprised, Trump has dropped out of doing a 60 minute interview, that is support to be aired on Monday. Harris's interview will go ahead as planned. Trump's team said

Trump's campaign argued that there was nothing "locked in" for this particular interview.

“Fake News. 60 Minutes begged for an interview, even after they were caught lying about Hunter Biden’s laptop back in 2020,” Trump's campaign communications director said in a post on X.

“They also insisted on doing live fact-checking, which is unprecedented,” he also added.

We all know why he pulled out don't we? the fact checking will be his downfall. And would have put egg on his face. So if the second debate that both candidates were doing in October had fact checking, (not sure) Then another reason why Trump will be a no show. This move will certainly not help him much, even though he will try and spin thingg. But after that last debate, he will be running scared.

Edit

The VP debate was on lastnight, not seen it, (or any clips) But Trump did a metldown on this

“EVERYONE KNOWS I WOULD NOT SUPPORT A FEDERAL ABORTION BAN, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, AND WOULD, IN FACT, VETO IT, BECAUSE IT IS UP TO THE STATES TO DECIDE BASED ON THE WILL OF THEIR VOTERS (THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!),” Trump posted around an hour into the discussion when the subject turned to abortion.

He continued: "LIKE RONALD REAGAN BEFORE ME, I FULLY SUPPORT THE THREE EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE, INCEST, AND THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS RADICAL POSITION OF LATE TERM ABORTION LIKE, AS AN EXAMPLE, IN THE 7TH, 8TH, OR 9TH MONTH OR, IN CASE THERE IS ANY QUESTION, THE POSSIBILITY OF EXECUTION OF THE BABY AFTER BIRTH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!”

He really needs to be in a mental institution.

[notaterran]

I know what to think of candidates who openly protest against fact-checking.