[Mod] Litcube's Saturn Complex Hub V0.99b

[Litcube]

Update!

0.92b:
- An admittedly huge bug. Setting a SCH's production to energy cells looked like it was working properly, but it wasn't. There was an issue with the size of the station calculated resulting in the support factories being added to the production configuration, but not the main production factories. The result was that the SCH required far less factories to engage than what should have been required. This has been fixed. If you have SCHs that produce energy cells, I'd recommend disengaging them, removing the factories, resetting, and apply the configuration again. If you do not have a currently running SCH producing energy, this bug will not have effected you.

[AK247]

ok, since then i have deleted everything, all mods/scripts and x3tc, reinstalled x3, updated it to 3.1, applied the bonus pack

then added in SH complex hub. i didn't rename the .dat and .cat files and left them in the root of the directory, with my other .cat .dat files

loaded the game up and checked the saturn 3 shipyard from my uni map. it shows federal argon shipyard for sale, for about 680k and produces low yeild side arms.

not sure what to do. i don't mind going to back to 0 scripts and mods till i can get this to work.

any tips ?

edit, i just checked the x3 launcher, clicked mod folder and it says MARS Repair drones

wondering if that might be it.

also when i paste SHCH into my directory it overwrites !station.cmd.idle.pl.pck

after some messing around. i picked terran defender start and went to saturn 3 and the shipyard is working fine. i then loaded my actual game save up and checked the shipyard with uni map and it is back to federal argon shipyard.

i don't understand what's going on, does it only work on new games?

[Litcube]

ok, since then i have deleted everything, all mods/scripts and x3tc, reinstalled x3, updated it to 3.1, applied the bonus pack

then added in SH complex hub. i didn't rename the .dat and .cat files and left them in the root of the directory, with my other .cat .dat files

loaded the game up and checked the saturn 3 shipyard from my uni map. it shows federal argon shipyard for sale, for about 680k and produces low yeild side arms.

not sure what to do. i don't mind going to back to 0 scripts and mods till i can get this to work.

any tips ?

edit, i just checked the x3 launcher, clicked mod folder and it says MARS Repair drones

wondering if that might be it.

also when i paste SHCH into my directory it overwrites !station.cmd.idle.pl.pck

after some messing around. i picked terran defender start and went to saturn 3 and the shipyard is working fine. i then loaded my actual game save up and checked the shipyard with uni map and it is back to federal argon shipyard.

i don't understand what's going on, does it only work on new games?

Firstly, it's supposed to overwrite the !station.cmd.idle.pl.pck, just like it says it will in the OP.

I'm not sure why you didn't rename the .cat/.dat. You're supposed to. For TC 3.1, it'll be 14. Because you're having so many problems, I'd suggest throwing both .cat/.dat into the mod folder, and selecting that as your mod.

If you the Mars Repair Drones has a TFactory.txt in the mod, it will overwrite mine.

It does not only work in new games. It will work on an existing game.

[AK247]

ok, i'll try what you said

the thing i find strange is, it works in a new game load, but not my existing game.

also a side note for your instructions, it says "you can rename . . ." the "can" suggests it's not needed, so i wasn't sure if i should or not (even though i did many times.

where can i find this Tfactory.txt file, when i paste mars into my game directory, it does not ask to overwrite any tfactory.txt file, also when i past in the complex hub, it does not ask to overwrite that file.

what if there is something else wrong with my game save ?
would it be worth uploading it so you can try it out ?

edit - my save file can be downloaded from the link below
http://d01.megashares.com/dl/ecd7696/X13.sav

[Litcube]

Your savegame won't help much. I'd have to download and install every mod you've downloaded and installed in order to replicate the environment.

However, I think I know what's going on. You saved your game with the package installed incorrectly. When you first installed SCH, the script created the shipyard in Saturn 3, and added the wrong wares (because it wasn't installed right). This script will only add wares to the shipyard if the shipyard IS NOT THERE already. So now that you have it installed correctly, it's still not going to add the SCHs on account of the shipyard already being there.

Download Cycrow's Cheat package. Destroy that shipyard in Saturn 3. Save your game. Reload your game.

That should do it.

[AK247]

ok thanks for that

i'll go try it now. just need to delete and paste in my vanilla directory, puts the mods i want on it then try it again

side note. the .cat and .dat file will be placed in my directory and renamed to 14.dat 14.cat
i'll paste the rest of the stuff as usual, i'll also paste SCH in last, so that if any other things i have effected it. this should in theory overwrite them and be the one that works

i'll look how to use the cheat scripts, but if you could tell me how to destroy something with it, that would help. thanks


alright, i deleted the shipyard, saved, reloaded and now it's working as intended.

side note, the shipyard is below the gate, when i did the terran defender start it was above. is the posistion random ?

i was in sector when i did this

it seems a good idea to increase the storage of my TL's how do i go about doing this ?

[Railgunner]

This XTC compatible yet? Just wondering.....

[AK247]

i have a question

what do the numbers mean interms of size
i thought that each number meant there would be one extra factory of the type you choose

i.e. an SCH XXL 20 - set to chip plants has 20 chip plants, which i made
i now have an xxl 40 set to teladianium L foundry - it says 8 foundys ??

what do the numbers mean, because there is no way to tell how many of a factory it will ask for in the input, please provide a list if possible or maybe an update that works on the basis i said, i feel it would be much better that way overall, as we can use an online complex calculator, put in 40 of a factory and see how much is produced. the SCH calculator would just make it self sufficient for us.

[Litcube]

i have a question

what do the numbers mean interms of size
i thought that each number meant there would be one extra factory of the type you choose

i.e. an SCH XXL 20 - set to chip plants has 20 chip plants, which i made
i now have an xxl 40 set to teladianium L foundry - it says 8 foundys ??

what do the numbers mean, because there is no way to tell how many of a factory it will ask for in the input, please provide a list if possible or maybe an update that works on the basis i said, i feel it would be much better that way overall, as we can use an online complex calculator, put in 40 of a factory and see how much is produced. the SCH calculator would just make it self sufficient for us.

An SCH production of x20 will require factories equal to an initial output of 20. Chip plants produce at x 1, therefore require 20 of them to make up x20.

An SCH production of x40 will require factories equal to an initial output of 40. Teladianium Foundries of size L are x5 output. Therefore 8 are required to make x40.

In addition, all support factories are required as well, i.e. whatever's needed to support the 8 foundies or the 20 chip plants. An online complex calculator will still come up with the same values.

S = x1
M = x2
L = x5
XL = x10


I'll be coming out with an update soon that enables a calculator via hotkey. You press the hotkey, select an SCH, and it will allow you to play with the configuration without having to purchase anything. This way, you'll know what you're getting into. I've already written it, just testing now.

[101010]

I've also got a question regarding the suns being taken into account for SPPs. What role dose the percentage of the suns have? The higher the percentage the faster SPPs produce e-cells?

[Litcube]

I've also got a question regarding the suns being taken into account for SPPs. What role dose the percentage of the suns have? The higher the percentage the faster SPPs produce e-cells?

Exactly the same as a normal SPP in a complex. The production/resource consumption increases for SPP's in sun sectors higher than 100%.

[HotSake]

I'll be coming out with an update soon that enables a calculator via hotkey. You press the hotkey, select an SCH, and it will allow you to play with the configuration without having to purchase anything. This way, you'll know what you're getting into. I've already written it, just testing now.

Is there a good technical reason you have to have an SCH selected? What if I'm just flying around in a random sector and want to start planning a complex? Or am I misreading "select" as "target" and what you actually meant was that the calculator menu lets you select an SCH size to play with?

[Litcube]

I'll be coming out with an update soon that enables a calculator via hotkey. You press the hotkey, select an SCH, and it will allow you to play with the configuration without having to purchase anything. This way, you'll know what you're getting into. I've already written it, just testing now.

Is there a good technical reason you have to have an SCH selected? What if I'm just flying around in a random sector and want to start planning a complex? Or am I misreading "select" as "target" and what you actually meant was that the calculator menu lets you select an SCH size to play with?

Oh, I didn't explain myself propperly. "Select" from a menu of SCH types, 1 to 400. The calculator doesn't have anything to do with the objects in game, its purely a menu driven information system.

Tomorrow ill put it up.

[AK247]

oh cool, that makes sense

do you think it would be possible if there was a custom SCH we could buy, that has no configured size, we just keep loading what ever factorys we want in it and then press engage when everything was correct ?

[Litcube]

oh cool, that makes sense

do you think it would be possible if there was a custom SCH we could buy, that has no configured size, we just keep loading what ever factorys we want in it and then press engage when everything was correct ?

It would be possible, but it'd also be a little clunky.

[Litcube]

Update

0.93b:
- Saturn Complex Hub calculator now implemented as a hotkey. To set it up, go into your controls -> interface, and find "Saturn Complex Hub Calculator". Set a hotkey for it. When you're done, hit the hotkey to bring up the calculator.
- When configuring stations, the SCH engine will now prefer the highest size factories, if the end result is the same. For example, if 5 x Crystal Fab M are required for the support of a factory, it will use 2 x Crystal Fab L instead. As long as there is no difference, the engine will now use the largest factories possible. This should help with upgrading your SCHs by allowing you to keep using installed factories from obsolete SCHs and transfer them into new ones.

[AK247]

quick question, i tried unloading a factory from an sch into my mammoth - 3 factories went in it and the other 4 vanished from the sch and were not in the mammoth (mammoth was full) is this a bug ?

second thing. i've made a teladianium sch to use for the hub plot. i set a freighter using external commodity logistics to ferry the teladium to the hub. my first waypoint is to refuel jump energy. second waypoint is load full cargo of teladianium and third is to unload at hub.

is that the correct setup ? because my transport does not seem to be refueling jump fuel. apart from that he does what he needs to. the SCH has extra energy cells for his fuel, but wont get loaded onto him

[Litcube]

quick question, i tried unloading a factory from an sch into my mammoth - 3 factories went in it and the other 4 vanished from the sch and were not in the mammoth (mammoth was full) is this a bug ?

Probably a bug. I'll see if I can replicate the scenario. I'm assuming you didn't have enough cargo space in the hold

second thing. i've made a teladianium sch to use for the hub plot. i set a freighter using external commodity logistics to ferry the teladium to the hub. my first waypoint is to refuel jump energy. second waypoint is load full cargo of teladianium and third is to unload at hub.

is that the correct setup ? because my transport does not seem to be refueling jump fuel. apart from that he does what he needs to. the SCH has extra energy cells for his fuel, but wont get loaded onto him

I dunno. I don't use commodity logistics. I'd set the auto-fuel supply to 60 jumps. It'll load fuel that way, which is what I do.

[Litcube]

Update

0.94b:
- Fixed a bug with removing stations from the SCH, and putting them back into a TL. If your TL didn't have enough cargo, the remainder would disappear. This has been remedied; the remainder now remains in the SCH if there's not enough cargo space in the TL.

[AK247]

cool, how did you increase the size of your TL i wouldn't mind doing that

also is there a way to ferry the products to my hub

there is a bug with my hub, i have a dolphin that wont refuel on it's own for some reason