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[Wartraveler]

I dont see how my refusal to call this Failure of an Game by the name of an X Saga Game is Insulting.

If anything here is Insulting it is that they seriosly try to claim that this cheap copy of Freelancer 2 is the Successor of the X Saga....


I would like to ask this seriosly
Just WHAT of this Game is X Anymore ???

Astonishing Features of X were


The Ability to Command any Ship there was

An Dynamic Universe in which your actions mattered and in which even the Fights between NPCs had great effects on everything

An absolutely not streamlined Game design in which just playing the game was actually the biggest part even of the main Story


X was an Great Game Series because in comparisson to all other Games it increased the Scale of the Universe and Options to something that no Other Game reached at that point.

Each X Game put the Scale a tad higher above the last Game

In X1 it was the size of the World which was way beyond any other Game
In X2 it was the size of the Available Ships and Options which bested any other Game
and in X3 it was the size of Empires and once more the Number of Available Ships


Now what the heck does Rebirth do ? (note I REFUSE to call it X it is NOT X it is an awww I dont even know what it is its just worthless....)


Size of the Universe ?
Downsized !
The Universe became alot smaller instead of that huge empty space we know from X usually we got this Freelancer like fully packed Sectors where you cant fly 10km straight without watching out to not ram anything and with an somewhat bigger version of Freelancers Trade Routes and Jumpgates


Available Ships and Options ?
Downsized !
We are limited to one Ship which cant even be changed in its Design and our Options as to what to do in the Universe have been decreased greatly
Same goes for the Commands and Options we got with Ships in our Possession.
I assume at least partly that this is due to Bugs but even if I assumed all available Commands would be working perfectly it would be nowhere near what X3 or even just X2 had



Size of Empires ?
Downsized !
Thanks to the massive micromanagement requires now and thanks to the incredible bad AI its about Impossible to Build an Bigger Empire
Options to relay Micromanagement to the Game is basicly gone and the Commands are jokes





In Overall Rebirth is an Good Name for this...

The Game is basicly back to the Size of X1 and has been Reborn as an Copy of Freelancer with better Graphics and the Option to actually own some of the stuff going around alltough you cant really do anything with the stuff you own....



If they actually manage to fix out the Bugs of the Game and make it somewhat playable it might become an Good Game in itself.
However its not an X Series Game
its got none of the features that made the X Series Great and its playing in an far lower league than X Games




This Game is not Worth to be Called X
Its an Stillbirth which is tarnishing the name of the X Saga because people claim it to be an X Game which is clearly is not at all....


Greetz

[Zorvan]

Then customers need to start following the "bank man's" example. Maybe eventually developers would not feel like they can release a pile of dung simply because they know they're going get paid regardless, as Egosoft does. You want finished games? Turn off the free money spout. Let the developers with the talent to get the job done survive, and the "we'll patch it later" leeches die off.

Where is this place where free money is loose in the world because I would like to live there. Development houses dont work for you nor do they recieve much in the way of compensation from the players. Dev house are financed by investors usually in the form of publishing houses. They determine how much to finance these projects and for how long. And they in turn are affected by the usual pressures of Market Forces.

"What do you mean the devs dont get my money, and even if thats true surly they make royalties dont they?!?

Depends on the country and its laws. Unlike book publishing say, royalties are not payed up front ie with the initial sales of the book while its hot and selling well. Instead game developers must wait for the investors to make back there investment and then some before the devs start to see anything.

To make matters worse, PC price points have an incredibly short half life. After all the price cutting, sales, etc... it could be years before the devs see anything and by then your talking pennies on the dollar. Big whoop!

Remember those market forces I mentioned? The above is only part of it. You know those big triple A games we all know and love? Where do you think all the investment dollars are flowing to, and the affect it has on smaller outfits like Deepsilver and Paradox trying to find financing and the decisions they make regarding those investments?

This phenomenon is not unique to games. Even Hollywood is getting warnings from Stephen Spielberg and David Geffen of all people that the giant blockbusters are ruining the finaces of the studios. This is what is fuelling the indie movement.

Right now the indie movement is also sucking dollars away from the traditional financing putting more pressure on development. I can even see the day when projects like Chris Roberts will have a detrimental affect on other crowdsource projects of other smaller developers. And so it goes. Nobody said capitalism was perfect.

So what am I rambling on about? Oh yeah, why egosoft had to release so early when it obviously wasnt ready. Bernd and company aren't the first devs to get cut short like this and get left holding there dicks in there hands, scrambling to make the best of a bad situation. By the way, do you ever notice that the publishing house never make claims about the games they publish? Why? Investor Rights. They have to be protected. Only the devs get the honor of getting egg on thier face.

These are some of the reasons why I try not to disparage either egosoft or Deepsilver.
Contract Law prevents anyone from really knowing what happend. To know would require either the collapse of civilization in which case, would anyone be around to care? Definitely not my favorite method. Another would be if there was a falling out between egosoft and Deepsilver, not something I would want to see either. Or, get a job at Deepsilver or egosoft but then you would fall under contract law and be unable to say anything.

*looks up at the rambling* Okay, thats enough. I dont think I'm making sense anymore if at all.

Let me make it simple so even you can understand it.

"Turn off the free money spout" means not buying broken games, not pre-ordering, not throwing money because you "believe in" the developer, etc. Start making developers EARN their money. Egosoft didn't earn any of the money they were given from X-Rebirth, they got free money from suckers who will buy anything on a promise and defend bugs and bad programming as okay because "every game has bugs".

Stop settling for polished turds, and lazy devs will either have to get on the ball and make their games right the first time out the door, or fade away into obscurity.

You, and others like you, are why shady lying devs can continue to make money while producing slop.

How would it be if every company that made a product used the same standards as Egosoft and other shady developers, hmm?

"Oh, that television doesn't work? Yes, we know it's missing a circuit board. We had to get these televisions on the shelves after spending most of 7 years of the television design making sure the television was pretty to look at. So unfortunately we had to release them early. We'll be mailing you a circuit board to patch it in a few weeks. We're concentrating on those missing power buttons right now, so bear with us please. No, you can't have your money back. You bought a television, we sold you a television. You got the product you were told you'd get.".

Sorry, but it's time digital products were held to the same standard as physical products. But that won't happen as long as pathetic suckers with Gamer Munchausen Syndrome allow the crap to keep flowing unchecked.

[marshb]

Then customers need to start following the "bank man's" example. Maybe eventually developers would not feel like they can release a pile of dung simply because they know they're going get paid regardless, as Egosoft does. You want finished games? Turn off the free money spout. Let the developers with the talent to get the job done survive, and the "we'll patch it later" leeches die off.

Where is this place where free money is loose in the world because I would like to live there. Development houses dont work for you nor do they recieve much in the way of compensation from the players. Dev house are financed by investors usually in the form of publishing houses. They determine how much to finance these projects and for how long. And they in turn are affected by the usual pressures of Market Forces.

"What do you mean the devs dont get my money, and even if thats true surly they make royalties dont they?!?

Depends on the country and its laws. Unlike book publishing say, royalties are not payed up front ie with the initial sales of the book while its hot and selling well. Instead game developers must wait for the investors to make back there investment and then some before the devs start to see anything.

To make matters worse, PC price points have an incredibly short half life. After all the price cutting, sales, etc... it could be years before the devs see anything and by then your talking pennies on the dollar. Big whoop!

Remember those market forces I mentioned? The above is only part of it. You know those big triple A games we all know and love? Where do you think all the investment dollars are flowing to, and the affect it has on smaller outfits like Deepsilver and Paradox trying to find financing and the decisions they make regarding those investments?

This phenomenon is not unique to games. Even Hollywood is getting warnings from Stephen Spielberg and David Geffen of all people that the giant blockbusters are ruining the finaces of the studios. This is what is fuelling the indie movement.

Right now the indie movement is also sucking dollars away from the traditional financing putting more pressure on development. I can even see the day when projects like Chris Roberts will have a detrimental affect on other crowdsource projects of other smaller developers. And so it goes. Nobody said capitalism was perfect.

So what am I rambling on about? Oh yeah, why egosoft had to release so early when it obviously wasnt ready. Bernd and company aren't the first devs to get cut short like this and get left holding there dicks in there hands, scrambling to make the best of a bad situation. By the way, do you ever notice that the publishing house never make claims about the games they publish? Why? Investor Rights. They have to be protected. Only the devs get the honor of getting egg on thier face.

These are some of the reasons why I try not to disparage either egosoft or Deepsilver.
Contract Law prevents anyone from really knowing what happend. To know would require either the collapse of civilization in which case, would anyone be around to care? Definitely not my favorite method. Another would be if there was a falling out between egosoft and Deepsilver, not something I would want to see either. Or, get a job at Deepsilver or egosoft but then you would fall under contract law and be unable to say anything.

*looks up at the rambling* Okay, thats enough. I dont think I'm making sense anymore if at all.

Let me make it simple so even you can understand it.

"Turn off the free money spout" means not buying broken games, not pre-ordering, not throwing money because you "believe in" the developer, etc. Start making developers EARN their money. Egosoft didn't earn any of the money they were given from X-Rebirth, they got free money from suckers who will buy anything on a promise and defend bugs and bad programming as okay because "every game has bugs".

Stop settling for polished turds, and lazy devs will either have to get on the ball and make their games right the first time out the door, or fade away into obscurity.

You, and others like you, are why shady lying devs can continue to make money while producing slop.

How would it be if every company that made a product used the same standards as Egosoft and other shady developers, hmm?

"Oh, that television doesn't work? Yes, we know it's missing a circuit board. We had to get these televisions on the shelves after spending most of 7 years of the television design making sure the television was pretty to look at. So unfortunately we had to release them early. We'll be mailing you a circuit board to patch it in a few weeks. We're concentrating on those missing power buttons right now, so bear with us please. No, you can't have your money back. You bought a television, we sold you a television. You got the product you were told you'd get.".

Sorry, but it's time digital products were held to the same standard as physical products. But that won't happen as long as pathetic suckers with Gamer Munchausen Syndrome allow the crap to keep flowing unchecked.

Lol, and you obviously stopped reading after the first sentence of my post.

[DJC]

I refuse to call this Stillbirth failure an X Game....

Sucess = give people what they want or you might be dead before they want what you've got.

Please lets try to stay away from this kind of language. I can see you are upset and I understand. But you dont prevoke the devs to do anything with this kind of talk, but what you do do is offend people in the comunity with words like above. let us all continue to use constructive langusge to express our feelings.

That is not in any way a threatening statement. It is a saying that means you will have to wait so long you'll be dead before people will actually want what you are trying to sell them in place of what they want.

I never read that as a threat either. DJC, I think you inferred more than was implied.

If I am reading that second statment wrong then I most certianly apoligize I may just be seeing it that way because of all threats like shooting the devs has been said. But reading it again it still feels like a threat. perhaps the original poster could explain.

[Roenie]

It's not a threat at all. SteveMill nailed it.

[chikatilo]

because of all threats like shooting the devs has been said.

A new minigame mod?

[Wartraveler]

Since it was my post he answered to I can just as well explain.

His statement was actually not at all aimed at the Devs in the First Place.

I simply talked about this Games Launch being an Undeserved Success due to earlier X Games and that its hilarios that the Devs Claim it as Success of the Game when the Majority is apparently more than just discontent with it so far.


His answer is a bit tricky since it actually IS an threat.
However unlike what you seem to think its not in the slightest an threat in physical terms like "Shoot the Devs" lol


What he said is basicly this.

For an Company to be Successful they need to give their Customers what the Customers want.
If they dont they might end up Bankrupt before they find Customers who want what they are selling.


This is a bit tricky because it was not only referring to the Sentence Quoted above but also to the remaining post.

One of the Reasons that I Refuse to call this an X Game is because the whole Playing Style is completly Different.
This Game has nearly nothing in Common with the X Saga

In Short the Game they made while it might actually be an Good Game is totally failing due to the Community of the X Saga.

The X Games all were massive Fleet and Empire Management Space Sims mainly attracting an Community which was made up from people who liked to build an Empire and Command an Fleet while being Aboerd an Big Battleship within an extensive Universe Fighting Wars, Conquering Sectors or simply building an gigantic Company within endless space.
Story was always somewhat secondary in X


Rebirth is an wholly different thing.
Its pretty streamlined since in its Story as theres not really much else to do anyways.
Moreover Empire Management is reduced dramatically just like Fleet Management.
You only got one Ship which robs you off the Admiral Feeling many people liked about X
And the Game is much less into the Empire and Fleet Commanding and Fighting and going much more into action packed Fighter and Corvette Fights.


in X2 and X3 you were but an Pilot in an Ship and that Ship was just like other Ships
it got damaged and could be destroyed by the exactly same amount of Damage as others.
In Rebirth your the typical Hero your Ship is immensely powerful for its size. (and the AI is really stupid thanks to that I kept fighting the PMC with my single Plasmathrower and they couldnt do shit about me flying around their station wrecking anything I found...)



Now why is that an Problem ?

Easy

Right now you got 2 really Problem here.

1. The Old Community is made up from people who loved the old Playstyle and they bought the Game in the Believe it would be the next stage being even bigger and even more extensive than X3AP
And guess what its those old and loyal Fans who are now Pissed beyond cmparisson because they bought an Game which in their eyes is an failure and an disgrace to the name of the X-Saga
This causes an tremendous amount of bad Reputation and Negative Propaganda.
Especially because people feel like they were ripped off by Egosoft as they basicly offered an preorder very early causing alot of Fans to buy an Game which is clearly not what they promised them.


2. Since they called it X (which is something I refuse to accept) most players who might otherwise be attracted to the game will relate it to earlier X Games and will not even realize that this is an Different Game and might actually be to their taste.
They wont buy or even test it.



And now Egosoft is stuck between two pretty hard things.

1. is their Community from the X Games which is right now really pissed at them and is causing immense trouble for them thanks to this blunder they made.

2. is the problem that aside from initial sales there is not much hope to gain an proper new community fitting their Game thanks to old Community giving negative propaganda and eventual new members relating it to Games which they didnt like.


Hence its wise to give the People what they Want since otherwise you might Hunger to Death before you.ll find people who want to what you.ve got



As you see *gg*
it is actually an threat.
but not an personal one implying any sort of violence or whatever


you might have realized that if you had read the several posts that Him and I did in the whole picture instead of just concentrating on an single part of that post


Greetz

[DJC]

It's not a threat at all. SteveMill nailed it.

I am sorry for my misinturpitation of what you ment I ment no disrespect. you should have told me right away and I would have removed it from the post before it was on to long. I do think others took it the same way though.

[Cougar81]

thank you egosoft.... even if the game isnt working 100% at least there are some very entertaining posts to read

[wwdragon]

thank you egosoft.... even if the game isnt working 100% at least there are some very entertaining posts to read

Heh That's one thing which improved.... and my post count!

[Sibilantae]

thank you egosoft.... even if the game isnt working 100% at least there are some very entertaining posts to read

Heh That's one thing which improved.... and my post count!

You and me both

[ltbennett]

thank you egosoft.... even if the game isnt working 100% at least there are some very entertaining posts to read

Heh That's one thing which improved.... and my post count!

You and me both

+1 to that- the hate train loves to hate.

[Ranbo]

Hi all,

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not but, Why do most of the female NPC look like grandmas? I mean, I have a cargo ship full of em working for me. Now where can I find some grandpas so they can meet and reproduce some young ones for us in the game? LOL.