X-Rebirth No piloting Capital ships!!??

[Catra]

What's there to address? It was pretty specific what was said: NO FLYING CAPITOLS, JUST OWNING AND COMMANDING THEM.

Yes, it was pretty specific what was said. This is why people are asking whether or not you can still board your capital ships.

How does that even translate into not being able to board your own ship?

It doesn't translate that you can't board your ship, but it doesn't say that you can either. This is why people are asking. But if you really really want a couple reasons for how it could translate:

The Devs could find no more reason to allow you to board capital ships...
- Since you can no longer fly capital ships.
- Since there is a cockpit. (What would there be for the bridge of a Capital ship?)

Improved AI is a given, seeing what they want to do and all.

Not just improved, but significantly improved. Gazz has made this point abundantly clear. Either that, or the rules of flight for a capital ship will become significantly limited.

So elaborate, how does not being able to fly your own ship equate to not being able to come aboard and command it?

That's just speculation based on an unofficial translation that there's just one.

[AkrionXxarr]

So elaborate, how does not being able to fly your own ship equate to not being able to come aboard and command it?

That's just speculation based on an unofficial translation that there's just one.

*sigh* I'm not humoring you any more after this post.

1) Why spend any programming time allowing a player to board a ship they can't fly?

2) Why spend any programming time allowing a player to board the ship if they can just command it from their fighter?

3) They got rid of the ability to pilot your capital ship 'because it's boring'. With that mindset simply riding your capital ship would be even more boring. So why include riding and watching if riding and flying was too boring to keep in?

4) Unofficial translation or not, it's also on the table of 'what we know' and based on 'what we know' we know there's potentially only 1 cockpit, and there's potentially no ability to board your capital ships. This is why people are asking, so they can know. Otherwise they're speculating no more than you are.


Just what is wrong, exactly, with asking for further clearification on something? Your assumptions that you can still board capital ships are no more correct than those that assume otherwise, except those that assume otherwise have more reasons to do so unless you can provide more reasons than "They didn't specify you can't" and elaborate on them.

[Greyhawk1]

Its possible capital ships are so big now that you cant possibly fly them unaided.

Maybe they use Newtonian Physics and it takes an autopilot with split second timing to make the manouevers needed.

Maybe you board a capital ship not as its captain but as a fleet commander. Now you pilot all the ships in the fleet as one instead of unrealistically flying it yourself.

Maybe the software needed for fleet ops only runs in command & control stations.

Maybe the M6 class ships are going to be the size that M2's are now so you will still feel like you are flying a capital ship.

Maybe there are no capital ships. Maybe you build modular ships to a size from a fighter, building up to a battleship?

Maybe the remaining governments have decided that private fleets are a risk to everyone and so only those with high military ranking in a race are able to take strategic command - with qualified military pilots being trusted with the helm?

Who knows?

[Catra]

have more reasons to do so

And what would these reasnos be?

And you still haven't elaborated on why no flying = no boarding.

I don't see why I should have to elaborate if you can't even produce valid reasons for hijacking the thread.

[tianlongprc]

I really like the idea of a mini game that would be fun. TY for the info LV

[Forcy]

1) Why spend any programming time allowing a player to board a ship they can't fly?

2) Why spend any programming time allowing a player to board the ship if they can just command it from their fighter?

3) They got rid of the ability to pilot your capital ship 'because it's boring'. With that mindset simply riding your capital ship would be even more boring. So why include riding and watching if riding and flying was too boring to keep in?

4) Unofficial translation or not, it's also on the table of 'what we know' and based on 'what we know' we know there's potentially only 1 cockpit, and there's potentially no ability to board your capital ships. This is why people are asking, so they can know. Otherwise they're speculating no more than you are.

This is all speculation. As in these are all QUESTIONS from your(and other) people's POINT OF VIEW. The first thing I though when I read the translation and then added info a little bit later was that ou wont be flying them yes BUT that (and I think the words went something like this) there will be MORE ways to interact with capital ships and they will be MORE exciteing to paly with. Now, how does THAT translate into a) no capitals b) no being in capitals c) LESS interaction with capitals.

How about we speculate on what the MORE means and not make up LESS stuff than there will be

I'll start with this speculation. You have specific CnC ships where you have a holographic "tank" where all the ships are shown and where commanding and moving your ships are a lot more easier and fun than current movements of fleets where moving things to specific places is neigh impossible. This has nothing to do with flying the capital ship so is in line with the statements. this is about interacting more and better with capital ships since fighters in wings weren't NEARLY as bad as capitals.

So yea that's MY speculation. It's more not less and THAT is the info we got.

[Mightysword]

How about we speculate on what the MORE means and not make up LESS stuff than there will be

I think you missed what he/she was saying. As long as it's speculation it's a fair game, unless there are hard evidence to invalidate a certain speculation. The problem one of the poster above keep nailing down is because he wants to tell how others "should not" speculate on a certain element and keep saying base on the lack of context. (at least that's how I see it). However without hard evidence, it's the same.

You might agree or disagree with some speculation, but it's not the samething as saying a certain speculation is valid or invalid. Unless you can procure hard evidence, like I said it's fair game. The lack of evidence something exist doesn't mean it does not exist, but it doesn't mean it exists either

[Catra]

My speculation is better and more valid than yours because mine actually makes sense, and noones been able to tell me why no flying = no coming aboard.

Plus ego had ample oppurtunities to blurt it out and didn't, the whole "lack of evidence is evidence" just doesn't hold any water.

[Mightysword]

My speculation is better and more valid than yours because mine actually makes sense,

You might have a better speculation (not saying that you actually do), that doesn't mean the other speculation is "invalid". Unless you have something to 100% refute the other side, I don't understand what you're trying to do. Yours might have a 60% probability of happening while the others might have only 40%, but a speculation is a speculation. You can't dismiss one speculation with a "better" speculation, (if it is better that is, which is up to debate). The only way to truly dismiss a speculation is a fact, something that neither you or us have at the moment.

The side who are concern about the issue only voice there concern and they have a good ground for the concern. We're not dismissing or invalidating any other theory/speculation that conflict or different then ours, so I don't know why you have to press "yours". Unless you must have the "I am right" stamp no matter what.

and noones been able to tell me why no flying = no coming aboard.

There are already several posts that gave you the reason for the speculation, you either didn't read it, or they didn't satisfy you. As for the reason why, it's simple: Because if we can give you a hard proof it won't be a speculation any more? They gave you the reason why they are speculating, they weren't trying to to give you the reason why not be able to sit inside your ship is fact if that's what you're looking for. Until you understand this point, yes the debate just gonna become loop



We speculate because it's an uncertain element. Say we can't speculate the existing of capital ship or the player's ability of owning one since there are direct quote that specifically confirm it. The ability of sitting in one however, wasn't clear cut, hence we speculate.

Plus ego had ample oppurtunities to blurt it out and didn't

They also have ample opportunities to blurt it out otherwise, but they didn't. See what I did there?

the whole "lack of evidence is evidence" just doesn't hold any water.

Why? Egosoft said "you can own capital ship", then that's the evidence, any one who try to speculate otherwise either have insight knowledge that Ego lied, or just trying to troll. But until Egosoft says "you can sit inside your capital ship", it is up to debate and speculation.


Just an FYI, We're not trying to be "right" here. Most of us here like I said, just voicing our concern and probably fishing for the answer at the same time. Hey if it turns out our concerned was not necessary, then great, everyone is happy, including us. If it turns out to be valid, then we at least let the dev know it's one of our concern. No harm done, it's not like we're trampling a game people already play and enjoy claiming it sucks. Again, if you really want the seal of approval saying that you're right then here, i'll say it: what you said is right. BUT until you can 100% refute us, we're not wrong either.

[LV]

The joy of the development phase

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The mob will always be at the gates so the longer you have them focusing and arguing with each other who's correct on one issue the longer you keep them away from any other issue.

Once the reason for this is known, y'all will start rampaging over the next thing, be it seta only going to x9 or credits being renamed dream puffs etc etc ad nauseum

Imperial psychology 101

[Virtualaughing]

Thanks for the info LV
however the spoiled part made for me even more confusion than anything else..... what other players.... The mini game will be some short of multiplayer kind?
for me the entire IT stuff sounds like sily game. Looks like a lotery, pay billion credits for 1:100000000000 chance to get a ship
(cheap english here, never learned)

Except those egomaniac arguing and missunderstood translating, this topic made some good reason why we have to able fly (direct controll, not remote kind) our own capships. I can not imagine any so sophisticated autopilot, who can do the job, better than a human lol

It seems the game will become some kind of multiple choice DVD animation movie or at least for flying capital ships.... phew
So we will simulate to playing a simulator

[Master of the Blade]

credits being renamed dream puffs

Do this now, Egosoft!

[Catra]

There are already several posts that gave you the reason for the speculation,

Then point em out. Provide post numbers or links to posts.

[Mightysword]

The mob will always be at the gates so the longer you have them focusing and arguing with each other who's correct on one issue the longer you keep them away from any other issue.

Any developers who announced the game within a 6 months window of the release should be taken for granted, don't you think?

Imperial psychology 101

You guys like it, admit it.

Imperial psychology 102.

Then point em out. Provide post numbers or links to posts.

Bleh, they're on the same page of those post or one page before. Go look at them up yourself. I won't entertain you that far. If you're genuine want an argument then we provided one, we're not begging you to understand. I doubt you missed them.

[greypanther]

I seriously hope LV is joking about the minigame! You get that type of shite on the Wii!

[Catra]

Bleh, they're on the same page of those post or one page before. Go look at them up yourself. I won't entertain you that far. If you're genuine want an argument then we provided one, we're not begging you to understand. I doubt you missed them.

And here we go again with the huffypuffy runaround.

You're quitting because you don't actually have anything to show and don't want to be "that guy" who started an offtopic tangent because he got called out.

Why is it so hard to just admit that this is baseless speculation?

[Mightysword]

I seriously hope LV is joking about the minigame! You get that type of shite on the Wii!

there is a 99.99% probability that it's a joke

[Panzerman]

Why is it so hard to just admit that this is baseless speculation?

Because until you can use positive evidence to dispell it, it's not baseless.

Negative evidence (i.e. "they didn't say we couldn't") isn't enough to invalidate the question.

[recnelis]

To add to my original post, i agree with many of you in here. As long as im allowed to command my capital ship in some form of strategic overlay and my physical pilot body is inside my capital ship im happy. I dont NEED to actually pilot the bloody thing.

It would be neat if there was a different command interface for a capital ship so that you feel like your in command of something bigger than a 1 person fighter.

[Catra]

Why is it so hard to just admit that this is baseless speculation?

Because until you can use positive evidence to dispell it, it's not baseless.

Negative evidence (i.e. "they didn't say we couldn't") isn't enough to invalidate the question.

Of course it is, that's not all there is to it, but it certainly is enough.

If its not baseless, then why hasn't anyone been able to elaborate why it isn't? Everyone just gets huffypuffy and storms out in defeat because they got nothing.