Trump Presidency

[matthewfarmery]

The EU has put Musk on notice about Trump's / Musk interview. Any hate speech etc will not be tolerated. And could very well land Musk in trouble in the EU and his EU operations.

OH yes, Trump has violated his agreement that he made with the Truth social shareholders, as there is a clause to prevent him from using another platform. So that is probably why the share price has dropped, and hopefully lawsuits will be filed. He can cash out next month I think. But that will make his brand worthless. But hopefully the share price will drop farther.

[clakclak]

The EU has put Musk on notice about Trump's / Musk interview. Any hate speech etc will not be tolerated. And could very well land Musk in trouble in the EU and his EU operations.

OH yes, Trump has violated his agreement that he made with the Truth social shareholders, as there is a clause to prevent him from using another platform. So that is probably why the share price has dropped, and hopefully lawsuits will be filed. He can cash out next month I think. But that will make his brand worthless. But hopefully the share price will drop farther.

I will say Musk did not seem overly impressed by the EU. As an EU citizen can we please use this to do a deep and long audit of twitter and everything going on there?

[matthewfarmery]

I hope that this disastrous interview sinks both men. Trump was at it again, plus praising dictators, harping about Harris's crowd sizes. Even said that Biden got removed by a coup. (only read some extracts of this. I think Trump camp will be going full scale damage control. Plus twitter got a DDoS attack before the interview started.

I hope the EU does take action now, they need to investigate Musk. And as for Trump, I bet his handlers are scared now, he clearly losing it, and losing it fast. I doubt he will be OK for the debate, more ramblings from a senile old man. I hope this sinks him. He is clearly lost it, and should not enter the WH for sure.

[matthewfarmery]

Small update, an insider of Musk's staff, has spoken that the chance that Musk was telling the truth about the DDoS attack is about 1%. So, that and Trump's slurring of words etc, then its very possible that the hold up could have been with Trump himself. I heard extracts of the interview, Trump really did have problems pronouncing words. And a Trump's spokesman has commented about this and said "It must be your hearing"

I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I read that.

So, Trump will be holding a few more rallies soon, but I think the strain of them will only make things worse. And the Trump campaign has said, we are beefing up our advisers. As if Trump will listen to them. Plus as a result, The share price of his social media platform fell again. Lets hope it stays down and continues down.

[felter]

Are we even sure it was Trump talking, didn't sound like him.

As for the DDOS the chances of that being true are next to none, I say this as a DDOS attacks everything not just a single entity. So if Twitter had suffered a DDOS then it would have effected all of it not just the Trump Musk interview, and while the so called DDOS attack was ongoing, Twitter was acting like normal, doesn't make sense.

[mr.WHO]

As for the DDOS the chances of that being true are next to none, I say this as a DDOS attacks everything not just a single entity. So if Twitter had suffered a DDOS then it would have effected all of it not just the Trump Musk interview, and while the so called DDOS attack was ongoing, Twitter was acting like normal, doesn't make sense.

The simplest explenation, is that it was just too many people wanting to get into the room/chat and X simply refused to work with that many requests.
Saying it's DDOS make it more dramatic while masking lack of proper preparations on X side.

[matthewfarmery]

I read a theory online that Trump might have been giving meds before the interview. Hence the reason for the delay. And the side effects were on display. I also think the chance of a DDoS attack is very slim, especailly if an insider said Musk is very much not telling the truth. So the delay was probably for the meds to take effect. If that is the reason, and seems pursuable, I wonder how long until the drugs stop working? Especially if it goes downhill from here. Harris's camp should demand that Trump takes a drugs test before the debate, after all, Trump said the same thing about biden.

Also in other news, Trump's campaign admits ex-prez rented private jet previously owned by Epstein. That also got to be bad publicity. Seriously, what a silly thing to do.

[Chips]

I will say Musk did not seem overly impressed by the EU. As an EU citizen can we please use this to do a deep and long audit of twitter and everything going on there?

I wish companies/entities/governments would stop using social media as a means of conducting (or communicating) about business. What did they think they'd gain by publishing the letter? What did they think Musk would do in return? What do they think it's going to do to Musk's loyal followers?

All I saw is "Look, we will hold folks accountable..." (without any evidence they actually do), followed by "GFYS" -- and endless streams of abuse, claims of abuse of powers, claims of election interference, riling up a lot of folks who'll get a permanent negative view of EU/Bretton and so on.

We increasingly seem to be using social media to conduct public policy, at the same time as accusing social media as being the hotbed/fermentation vessel of hate, racism, misinformation.

They want people to not read the misinformation but do read the information - all on the same platform. Comical.

Social media has become a poison for a generation and I'm not sure it'll ever be undone; it's just about making money, via manipulating or causing the manipulation, of people's views without real regulation.
Arguably the increase in mental health issues could be linked to the rise, and use, of social media -- though its possibly also attributable to awareness and diagnosis improvements.

But we've had people dying to take part in "crazes" which had no benefit beyond individuals approval-seeking behaviour. Planking, drinking / taking part in dangerous actions and more. We've had it used to create / spread / encourage / recruit extremism to easily manipulatable people. We've also had cats, dogs, silly dancing and so on.

10 mins reading comments on twitter and it's frankly frightening if you stop to think that some of these comments are the same people you walk past, or drive past, or interact with in shops, restaurants, transport and so on.
Also, 10 mins scrolling you'll see a hell of a lot of meaningless commentary, meaningless "look at me" videos of zero content, and hopefully a lot of cats.

But it's all a ridiculous waste of people's time, energy, and life - just to generate income for some rich people by predating on everyone's desire to "be important".

I couldn't even listen to Musk & Trump, it was... pointless. Maybe I'll give it more of real attempt later, but I'm expecting absolutely NOTHING is going to be said; just a pair of fat, whiney, old men trying to spread their views, mostly based on made up -on-the-spot balderdash, on an audience who'll believe anything they say through some weird fettish herogasm. Without the burden of filters, fairness, accuracy or accountability on their sayings. Ideal. For them.

Why did Musk buy Twitter again? Ah, maybe to bypass media scrutiny under "free speech", as he realised quicker what the value of being enabled would be.

[clakclak]

I will say Musk did not seem overly impressed by the EU. As an EU citizen can we please use this to do a deep and long audit of twitter and everything going on there?

I wish companies/entities/governments would stop using social media as a means of conducting (or communicating) about business. What did they think they'd gain by publishing the letter? What did they think Musk would do in return? What do they think it's going to do to Musk's loyal followers?

All I saw is "Look, we will hold folks accountable..." (without any evidence they actually do), followed by "GFYS" -- and endless streams of abuse, claims of abuse of powers, claims of election interference, riling up a lot of folks who'll get a permanent negative view of EU/Bretton and so on.[...]

While there is always room for improvement, I think saying that the EU never does anything is a bit uncalled for. Let's take a look at the larger Anti-Trust fines enforced by the EU so far:

Google – 4.3 billion

Google – 2.4 billion

Microsoft – 2.2 billion

Apple – 1.8 billion

Google – 1.5 billion

Intel – 1 billion

Qualcomm – 1 billion

Now to answer your questions:

What did they think they'd gain by publishing the letter? It was a warning, aimed at getting Musk to do what they want him to do, the specifics are written in the letter.

What did they think Musk would do in return? I don't know, but I'd assume the knew it would be something stupid as was expected.

What do they think it's going to do to Musk's loyal followers? Doesn't matter. The EU is responsible for all EU citizens not Musk's cult.

We increasingly seem to be using social media to conduct public policy, at the same time as accusing social media as being the hotbed/fermentation vessel of hate, racism, misinformation.

They want people to not read the misinformation but do read the information - all on the same platform. Comical.

That is indeed comical.

Social media has become a poison for a generation and I'm not sure it'll ever be undone; it's just about making money, via manipulating or causing the manipulation, of people's views without real regulation.
Arguably the increase in mental health issues could be linked to the rise, and use, of social media -- though its possibly also attributable to awareness and diagnosis improvements.

But we've had people dying to take part in "crazes" which had no benefit beyond individuals approval-seeking behaviour. Planking, drinking / taking part in dangerous actions and more. We've had it used to create / spread / encourage / recruit extremism to easily manipulatable people. We've also had cats, dogs, silly dancing and so on.

10 mins reading comments on twitter and it's frankly frightening if you stop to think that some of these comments are the same people you walk past, or drive past, or interact with in shops, restaurants, transport and so on.
Also, 10 mins scrolling you'll see a hell of a lot of meaningless commentary, meaningless "look at me" videos of zero content, and hopefully a lot of cats.

But it's all a ridiculous waste of people's time, energy, and life - just to generate income for some rich people by predating on everyone's desire to "be important".

All very true, altough I will say that there is a certain irony to you posting this critique of social media on a site that quite frankly is also social media.

William Gibson once said that he assumes what future generations will find most peculiar about us who are alive today will be the distinction we make between the digital and the real world. I think he is correct. The genie is out of the people, the human condition has been deeply affected by the rise of the internet and while social media might be it's most influencial expression it is also just a facette of a bigger picture. Humanity will undergo changes and there is no going back now. On the plus side, this will provide thesis projects for historians, sociologists, psychologist and a bunch of adjacent fields for many many years.

[felter]

The other issue is if they don't do it openly, they then get accused of a cover-up, so they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Personally, I prefer they do, as at least then you know they are doing something and something needs to be done to Musk.

[matthewfarmery]

Looks like Trump has fired some of his campaign managers. as if that will fix the problem. Pretty we can't fire him. I seriously doubt any new campaign managers will do much at this point. And I doubt Trump will even listen to them.

Edit

Looks like Vance is struggling to to get anyone to ask him questions, or to draw any meaningful sized crowd. (apart from some reporters that this, even then, probably not worthy of note. )

I think Trump is really starting to regret choosing him, but stuck with him now.

[Chips]

While there is always room for improvement, I think saying that the EU never does anything is a bit uncalled for. Let's take a look at the larger Anti-Trust fines enforced by the EU so far:

Google – 4.3 billion

Google – 2.4 billion

Microsoft – 2.2 billion

Apple – 1.8 billion

Google – 1.5 billion

Intel – 1 billion

Qualcomm – 1 billion

All utterly unrelated anti-trust related. If you're going to try to make a relatively pithy point, at least have some accuracy. They've published several such communiques to the world as a "we're taking notice" without actually doing much so far though. What's next.

What did they think they'd gain by publishing the letter? It was a warning, aimed at getting Musk to do what they want him to do, the specifics are written in the letter.

I have to admit, being incapable of reading the letter, which isn't addressed to me, and has nothing to do with me, I would be completely unaware. Your enlightenment in this matter is much appreciated. Thanks. I imagine court summons, legal letters, judgements, and more are all conveyed through twitter now.

To be clear, I'm pointing out it's a stunt. Which got the expected response; a likewise stunt. It's amateur hour from both sides.

What did they think Musk would do in return? I don't know, but I'd assume the knew it would be something stupid as was expected.

Your insight into this matter is revelatory. We'd have been in the dark otherwise.

What do they think it's going to do to Musk's loyal followers? Doesn't matter. The EU is responsible for all EU citizens not Musk's cult.

So very true. So what's it going to do to everyone who reads twitter... they aren't the ones being addressed.

All very true, altough I will say that there is a certain irony to you posting this critique of social media on a site that quite frankly is also social media.

Ah yes, the classic "you can't critique because hypocrisy" - except , a few fundamental flaws in your, frankly, incredibly deep analysis. Namely, there's no means of social fulfilment through approval, increased followings, and all the trappings that exist; it's relatively anonymous - there's no postings of my lunch, dinner, car, house, holidays, tan lines, fitness and the pressure to conform; also no financial incentive. But you knew that. They're all social media in the sense we can interact. But "social media" in the commonly accepted sense is something that's a relatively recent invention; not the same old discussion boards that have been around for 40+ years. But, fair point. So ironic.

Cheers for the input, it was very engaging; so much I'd failed to consider.

[clakclak]

While there is always room for improvement, I think saying that the EU never does anything is a bit uncalled for. Let's take a look at the larger Anti-Trust fines enforced by the EU so far:

Google – 4.3 billion

Google – 2.4 billion

Microsoft – 2.2 billion

Apple – 1.8 billion

Google – 1.5 billion

Intel – 1 billion

Qualcomm – 1 billion

All utterly unrelated anti-trust related. If you're going to try to make a relatively pithy point, at least have some accuracy. They've published several such communiques to the world as a "we're taking notice" without actually doing much so far though. What's next.

What did they think they'd gain by publishing the letter? It was a warning, aimed at getting Musk to do what they want him to do, the specifics are written in the letter.

I have to admit, being incapable of reading the letter, which isn't addressed to me, and has nothing to do with me, I would be completely unaware. Your enlightenment in this matter is much appreciated. Thanks. I imagine court summons, legal letters, judgements, and more are all conveyed through twitter now.

To be clear, I'm pointing out it's a stunt. Which got the expected response; a likewise stunt. It's amateur hour from both sides.

What did they think Musk would do in return? I don't know, but I'd assume the knew it would be something stupid as was expected.

Your insight into this matter is revelatory. We'd have been in the dark otherwise.

What do they think it's going to do to Musk's loyal followers? Doesn't matter. The EU is responsible for all EU citizens not Musk's cult.

So very true. So what's it going to do to everyone who reads twitter... they aren't the ones being addressed.

All very true, altough I will say that there is a certain irony to you posting this critique of social media on a site that quite frankly is also social media.

Ah yes, the classic "you can't critique because hypocrisy" - except , a few fundamental flaws in your, frankly, incredibly deep analysis. Namely, there's no means of social fulfilment through approval, increased followings, and all the trappings that exist; it's relatively anonymous - there's no postings of my lunch, dinner, car, house, holidays, tan lines, fitness and the pressure to conform; also no financial incentive. But you knew that. They're all social media in the sense we can interact. But "social media" in the commonly accepted sense is something that's a relatively recent invention; not the same old discussion boards that have been around for 40+ years. But, fair point. So ironic.

Cheers for the input, it was very engaging; so much I'd failed to consider.

I am not really interested at getting into arguments for the sake of arguing and I also do not care for the passive aggressive snarkiness and comeback made in bad faith. I am sorry if you felt this was some form of personal attack against you,and that was what triggered this, but I am not willing to engage in discourse like this, if I was I would have a twitter account.

[Alan Phipps]

That's enough of the personal stuff (you both know what happens if it continues at all), so back on topic please.

[matthewfarmery]

Trump vowed that he would talk about the economy in Asheville, N.C. But no sooner had he started, he veered off course. Even though he kept reminding himself that she should be talking about it, saying that inflation is suppose to be important, but brushed it aside, as he didn't care less or not had a clue.

What is more, he is going to do another press conference. You would have thought, after the last one, his handlers would be screaming at him to stay away. But maybe they hope that his mental condition is so bad, people will finally open their eyes and see a senile old man. Even his insiders are fearing he has PTSD?? More like a mental breakdown to me, as I read a report that he now watching 7 second clips of himself. He is losing what few marbles he has. Isn't it high time, he he sent to a mental institution where he belongs?

[matthewfarmery]

Harris camp has released a statement about Trump's press conference. Its a real kicker

FOR PLANNING PURPOSES RELUCTANTLY August 13, 2024
***MEDIA ADVISORY***

TODAY: Donald Trump To Ramble Incoherently and Spread Dangerous Lies in Public, but at Different Home

TODAY at 4:3o p.m., Donald J. Trump, loser of the 2020 election by 7 million votes, will hold another public meltdown in Bedminster, New Jersey.

Date and Time

Thursday, August 33, 2024 at 4:3o p.m. EDT.

Venue

Not a battleground state

Preview

Not so fresh off NABJ, Florida, and Twitter glitches, Donald Trump intends to deliver another self-obsessed rant full of his own personal grievances to distract from his toxic Project 2025 agenda, unpopular running mate, and increasing detachment from the reality of the voters who will decide this election.

These remarks will not be artificial intelligence, but they certainly will lack intelligence.

Banning abortion, raising costs on families, confusing basic facts, cutting Social Security and Medicare, blocking border security, and being publicly unstable, unfit, and unwell will not help his struggling campaign for president.

Tune in for the same old thing.

100% true, they are on the ball.

[Alan Phipps]

I'm all for one party raising issues with the agenda/manifesto of another party, but not if at the expense of failing to clearly state their own agenda/manifesto. Personal attacks and point-scoring just seem so shallow within modern democratic politics (however well deserved in their opinion).

[matthewfarmery]

I would say, Harris's camp is doing a better job of trying to fact check and keep Trump to account unlike the US media. Which seems to be clueless and not holding Trump to account. His latest rambling press conference was just more BS, and another rally speech. No doubt he will hold another press conference next week and the press will cover it. Yet the press isn't doing their jobs, they should be. But they aren't.

[Vertigo 7]

That's just simply not true. I know at least NPR fact checked that dingus's BS. I'm sure plenty others did as well.

[matthewfarmery]

Then I stand corrected, But there certainly been a lot of criticisms about news networks not fact checking, or even challenging Trump on issues, when they would happily challenge Biden. Part of the issue is, they don't want to piss off the republicans, and also may get kicked out of any news conferences in future. So there is certainly mistakes being made. And allowing Trump to get away with saying crap on air as well, without any kind of challenge.

Certainly after his other so called press conference. I saw a video of Lawrence O’Donnell criticising every major network for not fact checking Trump, including his own. What is more, no network showed Harris's speech (can't reminder if it was a rally speech, it probably was) but no network showed that.

So yes, mistakes are being made. And Trump getting free air time, because he can click his fingers and news networks run to him, is totally BS, especailly when they get conned in the process. I wonder if they will wise up when Trump says he will hold another?